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Anti-Tank Missiles Deflected by New Israeli Defense System
The Washington Free Beacon ^ | Thursday, July 24, 2014 | Abraham Rabinovich

Posted on 07/25/2014 3:26:10 AM PDT by Star Traveler

JERUSALEM–At least five times in the past week in Gaza, Israeli tanks equipped with a revolutionary defense system have deflected anti-tank missiles fired at them by Hamas fighters, according to the Israeli army.

The success of the Windbreaker system, as it is called in Israel, augments on the ground the technological achievement in the air of the Iron Dome anti-rocket defense system which Israel credits with neutralizing the intensive rocketing from Gaza of the past two weeks.

The Windbreaker system (known abroad as Trophy), which became operational in 2009, has since been successfully tested by live fire twice when Israeli tank patrols on the periphery of Gaza were fired on two years ago. The current Gaza campaign is the first time the system is being tested in a face-to-face war against advanced Russian anti-tank rockets. In the 2006 Lebanon War against Hezbollah, missiles penetrated 22 Israeli tanks, destroying several.

Installed on Israel’s most-advanced tank, the Merkava 1V, the system’s sensors instantly identify a rocket or RPG heading toward it. Without intervention of the crew, the system fires pellets that detonate the rocket at a safe distance from the tank. It also informs the crew of the location from which the incoming rocket was launched, permitting counter-fire.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hamas; israel
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Israel has some great technological developments in defending themselves from these rabid terrorists.
1 posted on 07/25/2014 3:26:10 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Star Traveler

Coming to an M1A2 near you...


2 posted on 07/25/2014 3:53:57 AM PDT by Thunder90 (All posts soley represent my own opinion.)
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To: Thunder90

Hopefully.
Wonder if it would work on helicopters? Sounds feasible to me.


3 posted on 07/25/2014 4:03:05 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: Thunder90

“Star Wars” stuff. Too bad they couldn’t figure out how to
explode those rockets just as they are fired, might save a lot more lives after taking out the missile firing crews.


4 posted on 07/25/2014 4:04:41 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: Vinnie

Trophy is a very heavy system in terms of weight. Probably not coming for choppers soon, but maybe someday.

Also, this idea probably came from David Drake’s Hammer’s Slammers series, written beginning in the 70s. Hovertanks had belts of what was basically claymore mines around them and would automatically fire off a short segment in the closest belt to sweep RPGs and missiles out of the sky prior to them hitting. Trophy sounds like the same thing.


5 posted on 07/25/2014 4:10:21 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: All

when will the “Palestinians” ever tire of living like rats running through rubble?


6 posted on 07/25/2014 4:15:04 AM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: Star Traveler

OUTSTANDING!


7 posted on 07/25/2014 4:35:13 AM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: Thunder90

Assuming any Abrams tanks will be left operating after the regime is done.


8 posted on 07/25/2014 4:38:46 AM PDT by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.q)
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To: Star Traveler

Headlines from Gaza:

Windbreaker Makes Hamas Break Wind


9 posted on 07/25/2014 4:56:17 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits n firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: bunkerhill7

LOL ...


10 posted on 07/25/2014 4:58:45 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

Unfortunately, despite Rafael’s claims to the contrary, the Trophy, aka Windbreaker, system has claimed the life of one Israeli solder; further, only one brigade (401st armored) of tanks has the system.

That said, the 401st is unstoppable, unless the politicians decide to pause, allowing Hamas time to regroup and come up with a defense against it.

Right now, the Israelis are apparently debating whether of not to go for a major effort to totally destroy Hamas’ underground command center in Gaza City - which would be spearheaded by the 401st after IDF victories in Shejaiya, E. Rafah and Khan Younes.


11 posted on 07/25/2014 5:00:18 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Star Traveler; All
thanks, for the ping/post...

12 posted on 07/25/2014 5:00:43 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a weapon...0'Bathhouse/"Rustler" Reid? d8-)
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To: Star Traveler

“the Windbreaker system...”

Great technology, I’m very happy they have it.

Sure reminds me of Spinal Tap’s second album: “Break Like The Wind.”


13 posted on 07/25/2014 5:08:31 AM PDT by BBB333 (Q: Which is grammatically correct? Joe Biden IS or Joe Biden ARE an idiot?)
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To: Star Traveler
The same sort of system is deployed to a limited extent on Russian tanks, apparently including a batch sold to India rather than being restricted to Russian military alone.

This is an old idea though really, seriously studied with various alternatives having been tested since the Yom Kippur War was analyzed at least. Sturdy, reliable, sensors and electronics having been the bottleneck until mid-eighties. At that point the cost per vehicle became the main consideration. It came down to money compared to how real the threat was considered to be and when the threat was real enough it was sure to be deployed by anyone would could afford it.

Russians have considered the threat very real since WWII but not so severe that it couldn't be defeated by having more infantry with their tanks. Urban warfare becoming more common rules that solution out to a degree, so they started extensive testing of such systems in the late eighties. The few tanks fitted with one of their systems performed well in Chechnya leading Russia to start widespread retrofitting albeit at a slow pace, or at least so I've heard.

There were multiple systems tested in both Russia and the US that I know of, probably in other countries as well. A friend in AL who works with the M1 says kits to fit a system like this to both the M1 and Bradley as well as M113s are already available but weather that means designed and tested or sitting in a warehouse waiting for the order to install them, I have no idea. Even reactive armor kits would be a major improvement on the M113. They melt like solder, splashing aluminum around when hit from an angle that isn't lethal (given the fact they're a shoebox, it's surprising how often they were hit from a bad angle in VN and not penetrated)

Obviously Israel can do what we and the Russians can when it comes to armor and most other weapons systems as long as they're willing to spend the money. The Russian system is known to work and work well it's just not been deployed to any great extent. Whether their system can be easily fitted to APCs and such, I don't know.

14 posted on 07/25/2014 5:12:19 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: DaveA37
Too bad they couldn’t figure out how to explode those rockets just as they are fired,

The U.S. in Iraq managed to light off some remote controlled IED's using something like a garage door opener. When the Iranians switched to coded ones, at least we could jam them. There were reports of suicide bombers having their charges lit off long before they go in range of U.S. forces. I love premature detonation.

Just hope this technology gets into U.S. systems soon.

15 posted on 07/25/2014 5:28:29 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (This is known as "bad luck". - Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Star Traveler

And believe it or not, this administration wants to give Qatar — al Qaeda friendly Qatar — our Javelin, anti-tank, fire-and-forget, missile system.

I read that last week, I think, and I nearly choked.

With that system, counter fire is much less significant because the shooter can shoot and run.


16 posted on 07/25/2014 5:38:27 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Star Traveler

The next American president along with Israel and the entire west should stop all TV broadcasts in Islamic countries and cut in with a “commercial” that runs 24/7 for a week. The “commercial” would tell them that unless all terrorist activity is stopped Mecca will be destroyed. End the “commercial” with an image of a thermonuclear device going off, mushroom cloud and all.

The response would be that zillions of islamists would go to Mecca to stand around and scream and holler. Fine, but keep to the plan...


17 posted on 07/25/2014 5:43:09 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (NO MORE IRS!)
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To: xzins

Caches of MANPADS have been smuggled in to the US for years. Odds are that some morning we will wake up and see commercial airliners failing out of the sky by an air port near you.


18 posted on 07/25/2014 5:44:31 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (NO MORE IRS!)
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To: Spktyr

Yeah, reactive ablative armor was around before that was written. He just made it actively fused rather than reactive.


19 posted on 07/25/2014 6:02:56 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: wally_bert

Oh, I’m sure there will be plenty of Abrams around - only ISIS will be driving most of them, with a few in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and in other Muslim enclaves around the globe.

Our advanced military technology seems to keep mysteriously migrating into Islamist’s hands while our military is systematically degraded and purged of it’s leadership.


20 posted on 07/25/2014 6:05:55 AM PDT by George Varnum (Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light...)
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To: Rashputin

Proactive armor.


21 posted on 07/25/2014 6:07:21 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: Spktyr

Hamas will soon have their RPG gunners preparing to fire while in the middle of a group of women & children, with lots of video cameras rolling to capture the Israeli “claymores” mowing down “innocent non-combatants”.


22 posted on 07/25/2014 6:09:55 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ( "For those who have fought for it, Life bears a savor the protected will never know")
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To: Thunder90

Our intelligence new the location of more tunnels and did not share the info with Israel. If I was Israel I would wait before I gave the MuslimBrohood in the current administration any help. Especially if this current administration could be seen as an enemy of Israel.


23 posted on 07/25/2014 6:20:27 AM PDT by huldah1776
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To: BwanaNdege

Actually, Trophy and the competing Israeli system are supposed to be relatively infantry safe, unlike earlier Soviet attempts at the concept like Drozd.


24 posted on 07/25/2014 6:39:54 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: BwanaNdege

Okay, found a video about it. It’s basically a point defense shotgun system. Very low probability of injury to surrounding infantry.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rA5fD9ggRRE


25 posted on 07/25/2014 6:44:47 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Rashputin

The Russian Drozd system didn’t do all that well in Afghanistan and Chechnya. The Shtora IR jammer did better, but obviously doesn’t work against TOW type, radar guided or unguided missiles. Their latest stab at it is the Arena protection system, but it hasn’t been in combat yet that I know of.


26 posted on 07/25/2014 6:49:01 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: newnhdad

Probably never. These idiots who still wipe their butts with their bare hand, are forever stuck in the 8th Century, when most everyone lived like rats.


27 posted on 07/25/2014 6:49:14 AM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: archy; Gringo1; Matthew James; Fred Mertz; Squantos; colorado tanker; The Shrew; SLB; Darksheare; ..
How many are still around from the Treadhead ping list?


28 posted on 07/25/2014 6:55:44 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: IronJack

Ohhhh, accurate and PC as well. I like that.


29 posted on 07/25/2014 7:04:11 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Spktyr
Is that newer or older than the recent versions of ARENA? I've heard of it and how it wasn't nearly as effective as expected but have no idea which system is being developed, refined, etc. I know I heard of Drozd being deployed before I heard ARENA was, but don't know the genesis of the two.

Would Drozd not living up to expectations lead to the employment of ARENA instead maybe? Inquiring minds want to know.

30 posted on 07/25/2014 7:07:55 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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31 posted on 07/25/2014 7:10:05 AM PDT by SJackson (government tampers with a freedom so fundamental, one shudders to think what lies ahead. Card Dolan)
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To: Star Traveler

Expect some RPG-30s to find its way into the region soon. It fires a smaller projectile a fraction of a second ahead of the main to clear a path for the warhead.


32 posted on 07/25/2014 7:18:58 AM PDT by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: edpc

It’s always a continuing escalation with weapons and defense against them. On the one side am improvement is made, then on the other side, an adjustment is made or something is improved for defense ... and so it goes indefinitely ...


33 posted on 07/25/2014 7:29:50 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
We tested some modules on our Shadow and Hunter UAVs...basically, a jammer and ECM module that would ignite all the IEDs up and down a route. It worked PERFECTLY and we killed a couple of camel humpers in the process.

What did the Army say? NO GO. It was "too successful" and indiscriminate. It set of EVERYTHING that was not command detonated. How many troops did we lose on routes we flew? Zero to VBIDs/IEDs. How many did we lose to KIA/WIA when our program shut down? Dozens.

I'd still like to find the SOB that came up with that decision.

34 posted on 07/25/2014 7:38:56 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: Star Traveler

True, because the Israelis have a counter for the RPG-30 style weapons and are working on one for kinetic energy types. Wherever there is a significant conflict in the world, you can believe players are interested in field testing their tactics and systems.


35 posted on 07/25/2014 7:43:05 AM PDT by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: isthisnickcool
Odds are that some morning we will wake up and see commercial airliners failing out of the sky by an air port near you

The odds are that they have already tried with SA-7s and early SA18s that just dont work, or the plane leaves the target envelope before the missile falls out of the sky. I wouldn't doubt if there has been one or two attempts. Most likely, the missle never lit off....which is endemic in Soviet-era MANPADS...that is why their armed forces volley fired them in the dozens...hoping one would hit.

36 posted on 07/25/2014 7:44:09 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: DCBryan1

And you know what?

I bet they’d have no qualms using this system “domestically”.


37 posted on 07/25/2014 7:45:31 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: DCBryan1

I think in fielding weapon systems the viewpoint of the guys in field should have enormous weight, and political and public relations considerations almost zero.

Imagine if MSNBC had been covering flame throwers in Okinawa or Iwo Jima. They’d have a coronary. Hell, let the Japs know what’s coming, they’d have a whole lot less piss and vinegar.


38 posted on 07/25/2014 7:54:06 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (This is known as "bad luck". - Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: FreedomPoster
Dunno...Im ashamed to say that I was one of the LAST 19k that had a DL from KS ARNG M60A3 TTS. My PL had M45A5E3 DL from TX ARNG! I also had XM1, and M1 DL until we got the M1A1s. Never got in the heavys or A2s. Wasnt CannoneerNo4 our treadhead leader?
39 posted on 07/25/2014 7:55:04 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: DCBryan1
M45A5E3

M48(Patton), A5E3 model.

40 posted on 07/25/2014 7:57:32 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: DCBryan1
M45A5E3

M48(Patton), A5E3 model.

41 posted on 07/25/2014 8:00:35 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: Spktyr
Okay, found a video about it. It’s basically a point defense shotgun system. Very low probability of injury to surrounding infantry.

And if fired at a rocket coming right at you, the pellets will likely continue on towards the shooter.

42 posted on 07/25/2014 8:50:00 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: DCBryan1

This country is no longer serious about winning wars, and hasn’t been for about 70 years.


43 posted on 07/25/2014 9:16:57 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: DCBryan1

He was. I got the list and the image from his profile page.


44 posted on 07/25/2014 9:21:22 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster

Still here!


45 posted on 07/25/2014 10:01:10 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Star Traveler
Beats plain old reactive armor:


46 posted on 07/25/2014 10:40:10 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: Spktyr

Cool!

Thanks for the video link. It appears to be a very sophisticated system.


47 posted on 07/25/2014 10:57:42 AM PDT by BwanaNdege ( "For those who have fought for it, Life bears a savor the protected will never know")
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To: Spktyr

David Drake is one of my favorite SciFi writers...


48 posted on 07/25/2014 11:50:56 AM PDT by El Laton Caliente (NRA Life Member & www.Gunsnet.net Moderator)
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To: FreedomPoster

I’m still here!


49 posted on 07/25/2014 11:57:34 AM PDT by Tailback
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To: Star Traveler

That’s a game-changer.


50 posted on 07/25/2014 1:23:03 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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