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The Malaysia Airlines crash is the end of Russia’s fairy tale
The Washington Post ^ | July 18, 2014 | Anne Applebaum

Posted on 07/25/2014 8:46:33 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

Before there is any further discussion of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, it’s important that one point be made absolutely clear:

This plane crash is a result of the Russian invasion of eastern Ukraine, an operation deliberately designed to create legal, political and military chaos.

Without this chaos, a surface-to-air missile would not have been fired at a passenger plane.

From the beginning, the Russian government did not send regular soldiers to Ukraine. Instead, it sent Russian mercenaries and security service operatives such as Igor Strelkov — the commander in chief in Donetsk and a Russian secret police colonel who fought in both Chechen wars ...

With the help of local thugs, these Russian security men besieged police stations, government offices and other symbols of political authority to delegitimize the Ukrainian state.

In this task, they were assisted by the Russian government and by Russia’s state-controlled mass media, both of which still constantly denigrate Ukraine ...

Into this ambiguous and unstable situation, the Russians cynically funneled a stream of heavy weapons: machine guns and artillery and, eventually, tanks, armed personnel carriers and anti-aircraft missiles....

Indeed, Strelkov on Thursday afternoon reportedly boasted online of having taken down another military plane before realizing that the plane in question was MH17. The blog post was removed.

In late June, several different Russian media sources published photographs of Buk anti-aircraft missiles that they said had been captured by the separatists — though they were probably outright gifts from Russia. These posts have also been removed.

This is the context within which a surface-to-air missile was aimed at a passenger plane: a lawless environment; irregular soldiers who might not be so good at reading radar; a nihilistic disregard for human life; scorn for international norms, rules or standards ....

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: mh17
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1 posted on 07/25/2014 8:46:33 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

It wasn’t a ‘crash’........................


2 posted on 07/25/2014 8:51:24 AM PDT by Red Badger (If you compromise with evil, you just get more evil..........................)
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To: Uncle Chip

Man, the Washington Post and New York Times sure have become a popular source for truthful news lately on FR.


3 posted on 07/25/2014 8:53:38 AM PDT by dforest
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To: dforest

Would you prefer Russia Today or Pravda???


4 posted on 07/25/2014 8:56:12 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: dforest
"Man, the Washington Post and New York Times sure have become a popular source for truthful news lately on FR."

They're feeling jilted by their boy Pooty Poot.

5 posted on 07/25/2014 9:01:35 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Rashputin

ping —


6 posted on 07/25/2014 9:03:42 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Red Badger
"It wasn’t a ‘crash’....."

Well, sure it was - after it was blown out of the air the remnants crashed to the ground....

7 posted on 07/25/2014 9:06:39 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Uncle Chip
We will also learn something interesting about the Russian president. So far there is no sign of shock or shame in Russia. But in truth, this tragedy offers Vladimir Putin an opportunity to get out of the messy disaster he created in eastern Ukraine. He has the perfect excuse to denounce the separatist movement and to cut its supplies. If he refuses, then we know that he remains profoundly dedicated to the chaos and nihilism he created in Donetsk. We can assume he intends to perpetuate it elsewhere. And if we are not prepared to fight it, we should be braced for it to spread.

Putin has an excuse to get out. Will he do it?

8 posted on 07/25/2014 9:08:17 AM PDT by No One Special
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To: dforest; Uncle Chip
Would you prefer Russia Today or Pravda???
July 25, 2014
rt.com
Is Kiev lying? Or is Kiev lying?
9 posted on 07/25/2014 9:10:57 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: dforest
Man, the Washington Post and New York Times sure have become a popular source for truthful news lately on FR.

What news? That Russians are immoral brutal thugs? Everybody knows that already.

10 posted on 07/25/2014 9:11:23 AM PDT by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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To: Uncle Chip
We're seeing the real Putin and the real Russia. See the link:

http://news.malaysia.msn.com/tmi/mh17-victim%E2%80%99s-credit-cards-used-after-crash-says-report

11 posted on 07/25/2014 9:14:02 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: dforest

Well, as many Putinistas feel good about getting their truth straight from the Putin-approved sources, some people might want other sources not under his control.


12 posted on 07/25/2014 9:16:46 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: Enterprise

“They’re feeling jilted by their boy Pooty Poot. “

A few here had tingle up their leg from Pootie Poot.


13 posted on 07/25/2014 9:17:40 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Obama lied; our healthcare died.)
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To: Berlin_Freeper

I think there is a whole lot of lying going on by both sides and we are all being played.

One thing is certain. I stick to the rules. If Obama and his media are acting hawkish and all at once acting like they care about some country, something ain’t right. That means I should remain skeptical because they are up to something.

There is an invasion and occupation by Mexico and Central America going on on our border orchestrated by Obama. I won’t hold my breath that we will have another nation running to our aid.


14 posted on 07/25/2014 9:17:45 AM PDT by dforest
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To: dforest

Most of them are calling him on his incompetence. Probably, you want him incompetent so Putin will succeed.


15 posted on 07/25/2014 9:21:16 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: dforest
I think there is a whole lot of lying going on by both sides

Congratulations!!!

Your status has been officially upgraded to Useful Idiot by the Kremlin.

Please continue ...

16 posted on 07/25/2014 9:21:25 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Whatever scooter. LOL

I am sticking to it.

Keep your eyes on the border, our border. I suggest they do the same on their border.

You always justify your Obamabot, RINO stance by calling people Russian agents or ridiculous names.

At least you are consistent.


17 posted on 07/25/2014 9:24:57 AM PDT by dforest
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To: elhombrelibre

LOL, funny dude


18 posted on 07/25/2014 9:26:05 AM PDT by dforest
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To: dforest
You always justify your Obamabot, RINO stance by calling people Russian agents or ridiculous names.

That's the ticket --

Keep posting stuff like that and your status will be bumped again.

19 posted on 07/25/2014 9:28:56 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: dforest
Sounds like Ole Uncle Chip is one right off the ole O’Block.
What a troll.......It is appearing that FR is home to a growing number of fools who seem to fallen in line with the USA official position of demonizing Putin.
I'm with you dforest. There is a lot of BS goin around.
I suspect that the Russians are playing a role as is the US/EU. the end result is destruction and a NEW WORLD ORDER!
20 posted on 07/25/2014 9:31:33 AM PDT by free from tyranny
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To: Uncle Chip

“armed” personnel carriers.

Ann, that would be armored.


21 posted on 07/25/2014 9:31:56 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: dforest
Man, the Washington Post and New York Times sure have become a popular source for truthful news lately on FR.

Just as a blind squirrel will occasionally stumble upon an acorn it appears that the author of this piece somehow stumbled upon the truth.

22 posted on 07/25/2014 9:33:01 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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To: free from tyranny

So then do you believe that the Russian rebels in Ukraine shot down MH17???


23 posted on 07/25/2014 9:37:39 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Are you boss here now? I doubt it, he is busy tending the US border. Your crew has been posting insults for days to people who disagree with your hyperventilated opinion. Most just care more about the invasion of our own country right now. Many are also, for good reason, not about to trust Obama media. They are always dishonest.

To be honest, I don’t care what Obama does to Russia, as long as it doesn’t involve more troops or more arms that get into the wrong hands. If they sanctioned him with new financial sanctions today, I wouldn’t care.

Perhaps he could send about 500 gay activists into Russia. That should keep old Vlad busy for awhile.


24 posted on 07/25/2014 9:38:24 AM PDT by dforest
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To: dforest

Are you volunteering to go to Russia?


25 posted on 07/25/2014 9:41:22 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre

I would have to clear it with my 3 sons and my husband.
What a clown you are.


26 posted on 07/25/2014 9:43:57 AM PDT by dforest
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To: dforest

Keep posting like that and your status will be upgraded for sure —


27 posted on 07/25/2014 9:46:26 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

shaddup

I am busy, now scram.


28 posted on 07/25/2014 9:47:31 AM PDT by dforest
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To: dforest

You remind me of the Putinista who the other day was talking about how great Putin was on here. I think you folks need to have a “Pray for Putin” thread each day.


29 posted on 07/25/2014 9:47:42 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: dforest
"Man, the Washington Post and New York Times sure have become a popular source for truthful news lately on FR.

Human nature to pick a source that echos what ever point of view you may have. As for me, without a soveigner program, I still do not completely understand who the good or bad guys are in the Ukraine situation. I have yet to find that program sales kiosk.

30 posted on 07/25/2014 9:47:54 AM PDT by buckalfa (Long time caller --- first time listener.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Sorry, I am not into Putin. Not me who posts the “dreamy” /sarc pictures of him.

So, you failed to browbeat me and now we are wasting our time.

Rarely have I been lucky enough on FR to get insulted more than once a day. You changed that. Thanks.


31 posted on 07/25/2014 9:54:45 AM PDT by dforest
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To: Red Badger
Yeah, seeing "Crash" as if it was caused by a bird or flying elephant or something is pretty strange. Other than that, this is an example of a "beatings will continue until moral improves" opinion piece (in this case, until you submit and agree) claiming the motives and plans they ascribe to others are irrefutable facts when they're far from it.

Do, for example, they ascribe vicious, bloodthirsty, savage, Satanic, religious beliefs to those Mooze Lames who openly admit to them? No, that's not part of the party line. In this case, oh, they can't possibly be wrong, Anne writes a biweekly column for them. Would they every even by chance employ someone who can't divine the intentions and motives of others by laying her hands on their photo? Of course not.

I didn't see any new facts in it or even new or slightly modified spin. Let the beatings continue . . . etc.

I would be amazed to see the Washington Post say anything that differs in substance from the King Barry the 1st line. Maybe you can point out cases of their being off the reservation, though, I sure don't recall any.

Now, if they had limited themselves to saying, "a Civil War triggered by the Russian military takeover of Crimea" they'd be on the right track.

My own and all other opinions, though, were put into proper perspective for me back in boot camp. They're like particular orifice, everyone has one.

32 posted on 07/25/2014 9:54:57 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin

WaPo probably has reporters in Russia and Ukraine, so in this instance they can’t print too much ‘truth’, for the safety of their employees. But then, they never have a problem when it comes to lying, anyways.................


33 posted on 07/25/2014 10:20:44 AM PDT by Red Badger (If you compromise with evil, you just get more evil..........................)
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To: elhombrelibre

But but that sexy chest....and he’s a Christian, didn’t you know that?


34 posted on 07/25/2014 11:06:27 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: caww; tcrlaf; mac_truck; McGruff

I’m sorry — I meant to ping y’all.

Enjoy —


35 posted on 07/25/2014 11:11:22 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Washington Compost. Now there's a reliable source.

This plane crash is a result of the Russian invasion of eastern Ukraine...

As one of the rebels said If Russia had invaded they would be in Kiev today. :)

36 posted on 07/25/2014 11:18:41 AM PDT by McGruff (Hell we can't even secure our border never mind Ukraine's.)
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To: McGruff
As one of the rebels said If Russia had invaded they would be in Kiev today.

They've been too busy looting the MH17 shootdown site and trying on the mascara.

37 posted on 07/25/2014 11:24:27 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: dforest

....” one point be made absolutely clear”....

Well that lead in statement would give anyone a heads up the writer thinks he’s knows more than those investigating the case. Wrong way to begin except for those needing a feeding.

Besides.. the war in Ukraine was determined a shoe in by those who hijacked the Maidan in the first place. The war began then and all this is just more intensity of that...with added players in the theater....and no surprise to Eu or US....they just couldn’t manage it, nor can they now.


38 posted on 07/25/2014 11:28:45 AM PDT by caww
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To: McGruff

.....”be made absolutely clear”....

Sounds like Obama’s feed in when he’s getting ready to feed his little peepers begging for food.


39 posted on 07/25/2014 11:32:05 AM PDT by caww
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To: elhombrelibre; dforest

Wow has FR gone down hill. We have people insuating someone is gay because they don’t agree with thier opinion on Putin, another one upgrading people’s “status” because of thier vieewpoints and on other threads a longtime Moby defending Hamas.

Crazy days. Makes me feel dirty like I am reading DU all of a sudden.


40 posted on 07/25/2014 11:38:14 AM PDT by Graing ("The power of wind, fire... all that kind of thing")
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To: Graing

They do use the same tactic. But that’s okay. That is all they got and they enjoy the name calling. None of them ever say what it is they want Obama to do. If they did that, they would have no reason to slam anyone. They know Obama is going to do very little.


41 posted on 07/25/2014 11:44:11 AM PDT by dforest
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To: dforest
Checked the author of this article...who supported Pervert Roman Polanski.

For years he had fled sentencing after a grand jury investigation for molesting a 13 yr. old.

Applebaum had her husband, Polish Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski, lobby the US to drop proceedings against Polanski, who was clearly guilty... then she denied she knew her husband was doing that.

I have no regard for anyones writings who 'support perverts' as she did, and used her political and hollywood connections to obtain his release from the justice his victims were rightly deserving of.

Here's the pervert...


42 posted on 07/25/2014 11:56:14 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

bump


43 posted on 07/25/2014 11:58:41 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: caww

Ohhh I’m sorry — did I pick the wrong author to convey this information to you???

Well the good news is she does not have a monopoly on it. It’s pretty much in the public domain known by a lot of people.

Would you like me to post the same information under a different author????


44 posted on 07/25/2014 12:03:20 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: buckalfa

There are no good guys in Ukraines war....that’s why nobody can figure out the distinctions, like comparing rats to mice...they’re both destructive pests.


45 posted on 07/25/2014 12:04:43 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww
There are no good guys in Ukraines war

Not according to you.

The Russian rebels are the good guys in your book -- the same Russian rebel thugs who looted the victims of the very commercial plane that they shot down out of the sky.

46 posted on 07/25/2014 12:10:15 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
The Malaysia Airlines crash is the end of Russia’s fairy tale

Fairy Tail? Pretty flippant comment about the death of so many people. No matter who did it.

47 posted on 07/25/2014 12:15:09 PM PDT by McGruff (Hell we can't even secure our border never mind Ukraine's.)
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To: McGruff

...”If Russia had invaded they would be in Kiev today”....

Why would Russia even want to invade and take on their debt ridden state, they wouldn’t have survived without Russia’s subsidizing and giving them handouts.......he’s secured his ports and certainly capable of securing his border with Ukraine in the East.

Interesting the Red Cross has now officially stated this is a ‘CIVIL WAR’...just as Russia has been saying all along...and it is....with various outsiders giving their chosen side a hand.

But it was started by the EU/NATO/US expansion throughout the Baltics..Ukraine was one of their central “prizes” for it’s location and resources. But they didn’t anticipate stepping on the bears toes would create an unmanageable situation beyond their control.


48 posted on 07/25/2014 12:17:22 PM PDT by caww
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To: Graing
Makes me feel dirty like I am reading DU all of a sudden.

The level of discussion here sure has gone downhill lately.

49 posted on 07/25/2014 12:18:20 PM PDT by McGruff (Hell we can't even secure our border never mind Ukraine's.)
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To: Uncle Chip

No...the good guys are Eastern Ukraine’s “citizens” under massive Kiev Army bombardment to destroy the entire area and force the Russian population out of Eastern Ukraine.

Kiev already is lining up Western citizens to repopulate the East...rent free! Thus forcing any opposition to their agenda from having a voice. Just as they recently eliminated any Ukrainian/Russian national voice from their parliament.

It’s called ethnic cleansing......and Right Sector power in the Kiev Government and making up thousands in their National Guard are carrying it out with Kiev’s approval.....just as they said they would do.


50 posted on 07/25/2014 12:25:26 PM PDT by caww
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