Skip to comments.Lord Pearson: 'Government Should Stop Claiming Islam is Religion of Peace'
Posted on 07/25/2014 7:16:22 PM PDT by nickcarraway
The Government should stop claiming Islam is a religion of peace in the light of the Trojan horse allegations, a former leader of Ukip has said.
Lord Pearson of Rannoch said the problems could only be cured from "within Islam".
An investigation led by former anti-terror chief Peter Clarke today reported there had been a deliberate effort to introduce an "intolerant and aggressive Islamic ethos" into a number of Birmingham schools.
The damning report, commissioned by former Education Secretary Michael Gove in April, was highly critical of Birmingham City Council, accusing the authority of failing to support under-pressure headteachers dealing with inappropriate behaviour by governors.
Ukip former leader Lord Pearson of Rannoch asked Education Minister Lord Nash in the House of Lords: "Do you not agree that this scandal like Muslim segregation and Islamist violence more generally are problems which arise from within Islam and can only be cured from within Islam?
"Given all that is happening in Africa as well, why does the Government go on intoning that Islam is a religion of peace?"
Lord Nash, who had repeated Education Secretary Nicky Morgan's statement on the issue, told him: "I think that what happened in Birmingham was unacceptable to all communities in Birmingham including all the Muslim parents and teachers. I don't recognise your analysis of the religion of Islam, which I see as a religion of peace.
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Liberal Democrat Baroness Hussein-Ece said the report had found no evidence of a "plot" or "violent extremism" in contrast to "lurid headlines".
She added: "We know there is a difference between religious extremism and religious conservatism and that hasn't really come out in a lot of the narrative in these schools. I think that has been quite damaging.
"We need to refrain from the generalisation we have seen that stigmatises whole communities and faiths.
"This has been very damaging and will make it more difficult to get moderate people from the Muslim communities and other communities who want to become involved in British civic life and become school governors and councillors."
Lord Nash said she was right to draw a distinction between extremism and conservatism and said all pupils needed to be taught about "inclusiveness".
Labour's Lord Rooker, a former minister and Birmingham MP, called for the city to be split into three boroughs.
"London is no less London for having 32 boroughs dealing with social security and education," he said.
And he added: "With wards of 20,000 electorate for three councillors in that city compared to 6,000 electorate for three councillors in London, there is a disconnect in democratic accountability.
"The councillors can not possibly be in touch with things that happens on their patch.
"It is the only place in the country that has such a democratic dislocation on the ward level between councillors and the electorate."
He said the result would be more people would "know what is going on".
Lord Nash said "all possible solutions" were under review.
It’s too late for the UK.
It took Spain 800 years to clean house.
And yet, they are back. ;-)
Islam is incompatible with The USA constitution and polite society.
Its more a political system than it is a “religion” and should be treated as such.
Which is exactly what they are going to say about Christianity.
The US constitution has its roots in Christianity.
Those who follow Islam to the letter seek to destroy. So, while there are peaceful people within Islam, they are so because they are heretics to their faith. Islam itself is violent...and only ignoramuses don't get it.
It’s going to be argued that Christianity is the ONLY religion that the Constitution specifically limits.
I disagree with you. Islam is NOT stronger than the USA.
Islam is a religion of conquest and murder. Islam has invaded and destroyed HUNDREDS of local cultures and replace them with Islam.
I created a whole blog to reveal what Islam is about. Check it out. http://debatingislamquestionstoconsider.blogspot.com
Islam is not rational because for the most part it has failed to experience the enlightenment and the Reformation. It operates as though it were European Christianity in the 30 Years War. There is no conception of toleration which means at the individual level there is no golden rule. It also means that there is no scientific method but rather an authoritarian philosophy guided by superstition.
To declare that this distorted mind warp is a "religion of peace" is absurd but it was an understandable position for Bush to take. If one is trying to motivate his own nation and align allies in a multigenerational, intercontinental world war against militant Islam, it is understandable that Bush thought it better to call it a war on "terrorism."
That strategy has obviously failed and it is time to consider that Europe is about to be lost and, with Europe, the war against Islam itself. We have got to win the propaganda war which we are clearly losing and that means we have to describe Islam for what it is just as we had to fight the fellow travelers in our midst when it came time to accurately describe the horror of communism.
We might ask Israelis how it has been done since 1948 with some success, at least until now.
Muslim terrorists are credited with 23,470 terrorist attacks since 9/11/2001. But you can’t generalize from those tens of thousands of terrorists and their hundreds of millions of supporters to all of Islam.
You are absolutely right. Violent jihad is a fundamental aspect of Islam. It’s heresy to claim jihad means to peacefully proselytize nonbelievers. In Islam, nonbelievers must be crushed—either converted or killed. Jews and Christians, “People of the Book,” must be converted, killed, or forced to submit to paying the religious tax.
This religion of peace nonsense is such blatant propaganda! For decades, we’ve seen Islamic fundamentalists, i.e. true followers and believers, act as terrorists, but we’re supposed to believe it’s a peaceful religion? Even worse, some Republicans, like President Bush, spun the same nonsense.
Don’t ask me who W thought he was helping by trying to smooth over Islam’s continually violent transgressions. You can’t have peace with someone who wants to kill you. The only possible peace at that point is to kill or be killed. I’m truly sorry the world is like this, but it’s the truth.
Think Islam will EVER make peace with the Jews? No way. The ONLY way the Muslims will ever make peace is when Christ returns and destroys them along with all the other non-believers.
Sorry, but I don’t give President Bush a pass on the “religion of peace” nonsense. #1 We don’t really need moderate Muslim allies to defend ourselves. #2 It flies in the face of all evidence and only delays the inevitable confrontation between the West and Islam (as Islam grows stronger).
I disagree with you. Islam is NOT stronger than the USA.
I'll have to go back and read what I said but I really don't recall saying that.
I am responding to nickcarraway...
nickcarraway, this is 2nd thread I have read from you in the past 2 days, where for some reason you create & fabricate false accusations & strawman arguments as if someone is actually saying or doing what you are suggesting they are doing. You know, kind of like the false strawman arguments that 0bama fabricates every time he opens his mouth and then supposedly shoots down the false strawman argument.
Stick with the truth and stop the fabrications & false strawman responses. Look at the notes above? cripplecreek never insinuated or declared that Islam is stronger than the USA, but that is what you accused him of doing. Maybe you should stop posting if you can't accurately represent what is being said in a posting by someone else.
Yep. And Bush also said something else just as silly: The terrorists attacked us because they hate our freedoms. As if 9/11 happened because al qaeda didn't like my right to vote for county commissioner.
How can we possibly win a war when none of our leaders are willing to speak plainly?
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