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Feds cap Obamacare fines at $2,448 per person (new rules)
IBA Mag ^ | 7/25/14 | Caitlin Bronson

Posted on 07/25/2014 9:27:31 PM PDT by Libloather

**SNIP**

The figures, released late Thursday, cap the fine for not buying insurance at $2,448 per person and $12,240 for a family of five. The standard rule of thumb is 2% of household income, with a minimum of $325 per person.

The caps are equal to the national average premium for a bronze-level health plan.

Those who choose to go uninsured will owe one-twelfth of the annual payment for each month they or their dependents don’t have either coverage or an exemption, the IRS said.

All fines will be due during tax return season, which can be deducted from tax refunds.

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1 posted on 07/25/2014 9:27:32 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather

Muslims (and Amish) are exempt.

Prove that I’m not one...


2 posted on 07/25/2014 9:29:11 PM PDT by Mr. K (Palin/Cruz 2016)
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To: Libloather

I think many people are going to tell them where to shove it.


3 posted on 07/25/2014 9:29:15 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Mr. K

Muslims (and Amish) are exempt.

Prove that I’m not one...


Damned right!


4 posted on 07/25/2014 9:29:56 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Mr. K

Muslims are not exempt.


5 posted on 07/25/2014 9:36:41 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: Libloather

These are the taxes that you are not supposed to owe if your state did not create an exchange.

Of course, I’m not stupid, so I have insurance, which is helpful when you get a retina detachment or need major surgery.


6 posted on 07/25/2014 9:38:04 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Libloather

Oh I get it. The fines will fund Obamacare.


7 posted on 07/25/2014 9:39:04 PM PDT by Slyfox (Satan's goal is to rub out the image of God he sees in the face of every human.)
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To: Slyfox

Wait, it’s listed as OTHER TAXES.

Wasn’t there an issue about where the bill originated? That’s why the administration was saying it was NOT a ‘tax.’

I can’t keep up with the lawlessness.


8 posted on 07/25/2014 9:48:50 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: Libloather
Almost exactly the same amount that ObamaCare was to save.

Somehow I don't think that's an accident.

9 posted on 07/25/2014 9:55:05 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers us three choices: Defeat them utterly, die, or surrender to a life of slavery.)
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To: laplata
I think many people are going to tell them where to shove it.

No Doubt, but expect your paycheck to be lighter for a while. Feed your family? Mortgage payment? gas for your car? Sorry! got to pay for the health care you don't want.

10 posted on 07/25/2014 9:55:42 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: Libloather

I’m not paying. They can send me to the gulag.


11 posted on 07/25/2014 10:04:27 PM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: Doomonyou

No Doubt, but expect your paycheck to be lighter for a while. Feed your family? Mortgage payment? gas for your car? Sorry! got to pay for the health care you don’t want.


Yeah, people are going to have a lot of extra cash to help keep the booming economy going./s

I don’t understand why most people aren’t absolutely infuriated by all that’s going on.


12 posted on 07/25/2014 10:04:54 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: DaxtonBrown

A lot of people will become Amish or Muslim who are exempt.


13 posted on 07/25/2014 10:06:28 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: laplata

“All fines can be deducted from tax refunds.” I suspect the more accurate word would be “will” (be deducted).

Or you can pay when you write your check to the US Treasury on or about April 15th. Or—from what I’ve read and heard—not.


14 posted on 07/25/2014 10:08:24 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: tumblindice

Or you can pay when you write your check to the US Treasury on or about April 15th.

>Or—from what I’ve read and heard—not<.


I don’t understand the last sentence.


15 posted on 07/25/2014 10:16:38 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Libloather

These Fascist bastards can go back to hell where they belong.


16 posted on 07/25/2014 10:18:37 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: laplata

I remember hearing someplace reputable that if you pay taxes—as opposed to receiving a refund—whether you pay the fine is up to you. As hard as it is to believe, the IRS has no recourse.
This is just my opinion, and subject to change. Act on it at your own risk, laplata. I’ve got a real problem paying a fine for something I never wanted, and I pay eno— *too much already* in taxes to those bloodsuckers.


18 posted on 07/25/2014 10:33:50 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: tumblindice

Thanks for the clarification and info.

Man, these Fascists bastards are pure evil. You’re right....they are filthy bloodsuckers.


19 posted on 07/25/2014 10:49:53 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Libloather

F-them. I’ll just raise my deductions to cover thier scam!


21 posted on 07/25/2014 11:14:26 PM PDT by rwoodward ("god, guns and more ammo")
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To: Libloather

Hey, that’s great.

I’m not paying sh*t.

Come drive a tank over me.


22 posted on 07/25/2014 11:55:55 PM PDT by chris37 (heartless)
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To: laplata
A lot of people will become Amish or Muslim who are exempt.


Becoming an Indian might be easier ...:^)

Exempt groups from the IRS web site -

Religious conscience. You are a member of a religious sect that is recognized as conscientiously opposed to accepting any insurance benefits. The Social Security Administration administers the process for recognizing these sects according to the criteria in the law.
2.Health care sharing ministry. You are a member of a health care sharing ministry.
3.Indian tribes. You are (1) a member of a federally recognized Indian tribe or (2) an individual eligible for services through an Indian care provider.
...

23 posted on 07/26/2014 1:33:35 AM PDT by az_gila
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To: Libloather

bfl


24 posted on 07/26/2014 2:51:39 AM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
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To: az_gila

I am a Creek Indianan.(I live up a creek and can’t afford a paddle...)

I HAD insurance adequate to my needs BEFORE this abomination of a law.Now I can’t afford the more expensive “capless” insurance.


25 posted on 07/26/2014 3:43:25 AM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: az_gila
(2) an individual eligible for services through an Indian care provider.

How soon do we have a "Foxwood's Medical" Hospital and Insurance Company, right next to their Casino's. Seriously, huge loophole, the could offer their "Nation's" low cost policies that are not compliant with the ACA and probably get away with it. How many Conservative Doctors would be working their and how many of us would have policies with them is the question...

26 posted on 07/26/2014 3:58:39 AM PDT by taildragger (Not my Circus, Not my Monkey ( Boy does that apply to DC...))
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To: Libloather

I suspect it’s coming down to this:
side from skilled people that consult for large companies, most people really fall into one of two groups:

1) They work for a medium to large employer who has health care

2) They work for themselves or a very small employer who does not have health care.

The first group is not affected, as the employer is either required or will provide insurance anyway, but the second group gets interesting for many of them have the option to move cash around - and if you do it right, Obamacare can cost NEXT TO NOTHING, and the penalties for not having it are also trivial. Just hit the mark on reported income.

So more money off the books - I wonder if the CBO took that into account when scoring the scheme?

(the high-skilled people working solo will likely have 1099s to deal with, so they are stuck - they have to report and they have to buy that crap or pay a big fine)


27 posted on 07/26/2014 4:21:31 AM PDT by BobL
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To: tumblindice

“I remember hearing someplace reputable that if you pay taxes—as opposed to receiving a refund—whether you pay the fine is up to you. As hard as it is to believe, the IRS has no recourse.”

That’s pretty much correct. There were a few Democrats that would only support the law if the IRS had limited enforcement power for those penalties - they didn’t want the IRS taking peoples’ houses away and cleaning out bank accounts because they didn’t buy Obamacare - not good optics.

And so they wrote the law to limit IRS to only less painful methods, which might be only grabbing refunds. You can still have the judgment against you for non-payment of taxes (which can cause its own problems), but the IRS cannot collect the Obamacare penalty until you have a refund due. And while most people can prevent refunds if they have a stable job, sometimes life gets in the way, like a capital gain, and you will get a refund - and bamm, they get it instead.

But none of that really matters...they NEVER could have INTENDED the law to mean that, so they’ll just IGNORE those words (as they are now doing/saying about subsidies for the federal exchanges) and find some corrupt (i.e., Democrat) judges to go along. So don’t count on the wording of the law meaning anything.


28 posted on 07/26/2014 4:32:11 AM PDT by BobL
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To: Libloather

I cover my family with a short term health insurance policy AND I joined a health sharing ministry, both at the lowest contribution levels, and paying less than I would for Obamacare exchange insurance.


29 posted on 07/26/2014 4:50:08 AM PDT by tellw
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To: laplata

This is going to hurt all the EITC’ers out there if they don’t get the ObamaCare subsidy if they are in a state that has not set up an exchange. IRS will be forced to take the money from them that they took from someone else to give to them in the first place. Vicious circle....


30 posted on 07/26/2014 5:08:26 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: tellw

Still, you had better be planning your taxes where you owe just a little instead of getting any kind of refund. They might just up and determine that your insurance does not fit the minimum level of coverage they think you should have.


31 posted on 07/26/2014 5:10:19 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: TigerClaws
I can’t keep up with the lawlessness.

That's the intent. Real power is not in passing laws. Real power is the power to dictate based on political whim.

32 posted on 07/26/2014 5:13:28 AM PDT by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: DaxtonBrown

This is my retirement plan, the gulag!

Three hots and a cot and all the sex your could possibly bear.


33 posted on 07/26/2014 6:26:42 AM PDT by urbanpovertylawcenter (the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: Slyfox

“Oh I get it. The fines will fund Obamacare.”

That’s right; they will take money from hard-working people and fund the health insurance for gibsmedats with it.


34 posted on 07/26/2014 6:53:51 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: laplata

“Yeah, people are going to have a lot of extra cash to help keep the booming economy going./s I don’t understand why most people aren’t absolutely infuriated by all that’s going on.”

Because many haven’t started paying directly yet, and the Dem media is concealing it from them.

Obama’s re-election was a very scary omen...


35 posted on 07/26/2014 6:55:57 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: tumblindice
>I remember hearing someplace reputable that if you pay taxes—as opposed to receiving a refund—whether you pay the fine is up to you. As hard as it is to believe, the IRS has no recourse.

Here is what I expect to happen. Let's say that you owe $2000 in Taxes and $1000 in Obamacare “penalties”. You pay the IRS $2000. The IRS will credit the first $1000 to the OB Care penalty and the $1000 left over to the regular taxes. You now owe the IRS $1000. The balance due is not for the penalty but the regular taxes and is subject to penalties and interest and enforcement action. You are not allowed to tell the IRS where monies paid in are allowed to go.

CC

36 posted on 07/26/2014 6:56:43 AM PDT by Captain Compassion
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To: kearnyirish2
And then when they need mo' money they just increase the fines.

It is all so simple.

37 posted on 07/26/2014 7:33:37 AM PDT by Slyfox (Satan's goal is to rub out the image of God he sees in the face of every human.)
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To: Libloather

Just wait till the DEMs give the IRS authority to enforce this with POWER!

After a few doors are kicked in at 3:00 AM, families shot, property and bank accounts confiscated for non payment...


38 posted on 07/26/2014 7:58:37 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: steve86
Muslims are not exempt.

And you sir are a canard destroyer, not to mention one who ruins rants.

39 posted on 07/26/2014 8:12:35 AM PDT by Graybeard58 ( A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things. Eccl 10,v 19)
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To: kearnyirish2

I hope the Media get what they deserve for the destruction they’re causing this country.

Obama is getting more obstinate and we “ain’t seen nothin’ yet”.


40 posted on 07/26/2014 8:32:58 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Libloather
Prisoner #10679: What are you in for?
Prisoner #20657: I had to choose, Obamacare or food
Prisoner #10679: Yea, I chose clothes for my Children
41 posted on 07/26/2014 8:44:54 AM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: Captain Compassion
Fines and Taxes must be filed separate or on a different line in the form.
They'll have to change your return to make that lie happen. And the line
for Zerocare is clearly there.
42 posted on 07/26/2014 8:48:14 AM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: az_gila

Becoming an Indian might be easier ...:^)

Exempt groups from the IRS web site -

Religious conscience. You are a member of a religious sect that is recognized as conscientiously opposed to accepting any insurance benefits. The Social Security Administration administers the process for recognizing these sects according to the criteria in the law.
2.Health care sharing ministry. You are a member of a health care sharing ministry.
3.Indian tribes. You are (1) a member of a federally recognized Indian tribe or (2) an individual eligible for services through an Indian care provider.
...


Thanks for the info. I bet conservative legal groups will take full advantage of that and people will follow their advice on taking advantage of it.


43 posted on 07/26/2014 8:48:28 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Gaffer

Excellent points.


44 posted on 07/26/2014 8:50:28 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Captain Compassion
They could however take the payment and reject the return as incomplete.
They could also try to file fraud/purjury charges for not properly completing the
form with the information you know.

Remember that you are guilty until you prove yourself innocent!

45 posted on 07/26/2014 8:50:40 AM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: Libloather
The figures, released late Thursday, cap the fine for not buying insurance at $2,448 per person and $12,240 for a family of five.p> Those individuals and families sure could pay for a lot of medical treatment with that money.

This is a disgrace.

46 posted on 07/26/2014 9:11:47 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Libloather

Well OK that seems fair. $12,000 per year per family, everyone can certainly afford that.


47 posted on 07/26/2014 9:31:07 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: MaxMax
Ah but the so called penalty it's not a fine but a tax and it appears on the form as a tax. Roberts said so. If you owe $3000 in bottom line taxes and you only pay $2000. Then you are $1000 short. The IRS gets to decide how to distribute the $2000 against your account. Wait and see. The IRS is above the law.

CC

48 posted on 07/26/2014 10:30:18 AM PDT by Captain Compassion
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49 posted on 07/26/2014 10:33:36 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Captain Compassion
I understand what you're saying but they don't do that. They must go by the original
tax form prepared. I know you're trying to say they'll ignore it, ok but that
would not hold up in court if They changed the document you filed.

Word of wisdom,, NEVER TALK TO THE IRS! No different than the police.

If you ignore that one line then it's not added. Sure they'll still come after you
with Guns, maybe SWAT and kill your Dog and throw a Smoke grenade in your kids crib
but hey, you're an evil lawbreaker.

They keep changing up the goal posts on this Zerocare law but the courts
don't seem to be buying their outright deceptive lies. One by one this fiasco
is falling apart and all the (D) lawyers in DC are scrambling to make
the whole law a gray issue by changing intentions that are not in there.

We shall see. I'm not paying a red cent for this crap either.

50 posted on 07/26/2014 1:57:53 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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