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Amazon worker piloted drone around Space Needle
The Seattle Times ^ | 7/25/2014

Posted on 07/25/2014 9:59:06 PM PDT by steve86

An Amazon.com employee from out of town was the operator of a drone that buzzed the Seattle Space Needle this week, police said.

Witnesses told police they saw the craft fly back into a fifth-floor room of a nearby hotel. Police contacted the man and he admitted operating the drone equipped with a camera Tuesday. He told authorities he wanted to try out the craft he recently purchased at a hobby shop.

Police had received reports that the drone had crashed into the landmark of Seattle's 1962 World's Fair, but they saw no evidence of that.

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Great Space Needle video.

Direct link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqwwrG9-uX4

1 posted on 07/25/2014 9:59:06 PM PDT by steve86
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To: steve86

Done with FPV (First Person View)

You can see the screen above the transmitter in the beginning of the video.

I thought FAA regs limited agl to 400’ (Space Needle is 600 something).


2 posted on 07/25/2014 10:01:03 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: steve86

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqwwrG9-uX4


3 posted on 07/25/2014 10:01:20 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: steve86

The best part is the very end. I kept thinking, When is he going to open the window? Instead, he just reaches out and grabs it!


4 posted on 07/25/2014 10:08:23 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: steve86

What could the FAA do to him if they wanted to make an example of him?


5 posted on 07/25/2014 10:19:40 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Oh, there is definitely a substantial monetary fine defined in the FAA regs.

I think this was foolish especially because of the helicopter and seaplane traffic down low there.


6 posted on 07/25/2014 10:24:02 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: steve86

Very smooth and excellent quality. Stanley Kubrick would have loved something like this. The people on the observation deck seemed to enjoy it.


7 posted on 07/25/2014 10:28:31 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: cynwoody

The best part is the very end. I kept thinking, When is he going to open the window? Instead, he just reaches out and grabs it!


Yes, that was cool.

I saw a small drone last week. It flew around and hovered for a few minutes and then disappeared behind some trees. Somebody was having fun.


8 posted on 07/25/2014 10:28:37 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: cynwoody

The best part is the very end. I kept thinking, When is he going to open the window? Instead, he just reaches out and grabs it!

It seemed kind of small. I wonder what model it is.


9 posted on 07/25/2014 10:29:05 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: steve86

The sea planes don’t go near it but the heli traffic, yes.


10 posted on 07/25/2014 10:37:13 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: steve86

Apparently, Fedzilla only likes their drones. Peasants must not fly them.

Two thoughts.
First, that’s a shame.
Second, Pull!


11 posted on 07/25/2014 10:39:04 PM PDT by KitJ (Shall not be infringed)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

OK, I’m going to log out. Someone check my profile and see if it says ‘logged out’.


12 posted on 07/25/2014 10:41:22 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: Moonman62
It seemed kind of small. I wonder what model it is.

Apparently, it was DJI similar to this.

Here's a clumsy attempt using a similar bird last February:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH2stFdyQRU

13 posted on 07/25/2014 10:46:42 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody
Unsurprisingly, DJI's web site turns out to have more info, including a gallery of videos shot from their drones.
14 posted on 07/25/2014 11:00:00 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: steve86

Quadcopters are a trip.


15 posted on 07/25/2014 11:01:01 PM PDT by mylife
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To: steve86

So long as restricted air space was not invaded, he has no issues.

The question is how much airspace will be restricted as a result of this video?


16 posted on 07/25/2014 11:04:38 PM PDT by mylife
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To: Jack Hydrazine

No helos in that neighborhood since the KOMO TV copter crashed right next to the Needle. You can see the helipad it came off of on the building to the south (right) side.


17 posted on 07/25/2014 11:17:39 PM PDT by stormer
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To: mylife

Quadcopters are a trip.


It would be fun to look for game with one. I don’t think they make much noise.


18 posted on 07/25/2014 11:22:44 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: stormer
No helos in that neighborhood since the KOMO TV copter crashed right next to the Needle.

That was quite horrific.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/News-helicopter-crashes-burns-beside-Space-Needle-250790281.html?tab=video&c=y

However, I expect if this drone had crashed into the Space Needle, no one inside would have been harmed, the wreckage would have rolled off, and the maximum hazard would have been if any of the pieces struck pedestrians below.

19 posted on 07/25/2014 11:35:49 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Moonman62
It is a DGI Phantom 2 quadcopter. It is the most popular quadcopter made and has brought the RC flying hobby to thousands who have never flown before.

This is a toy which he bought at a Hobby Shop. About a $400 toy but a toy all the same. The FPV equipment and the GoPro camera were extra of course.

The FAA has allowed model aviation for decades and the hobby is overseen by the hobby group the AMA. This hobby includes not only quadcopters but fixed wing planes, helicopters, control line planes, gliders, electric engine and gas motor planes and seaplanes.

This is a very creative hobby and it attracts dynamic people. This hobby has been the gateway for many who have gone into aviation, engineering and the space program. It is essential for cultivating inventors and growing the next generation of people who will build great things in America.

This is why the FAA is proposing new rules to shut down decades of the aero modeling hobby as we know it. The socialist beast does not want anyone to be exceptional and to excel. We need to fight to protect this hobby and our nation.

20 posted on 07/25/2014 11:43:33 PM PDT by Solar Wind
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To: mylife

the problem here is not restricted airspace (which is a specific term... restricted airspace can be found on charts and is labeled, for example, R-2515 (part of the Edwards AFB complex)), or a Military Operations Area (MOA). The area of the flight is in the mode C veil of SeaTac airport, where transponders are required (within 30nm of the airport and from the surface to 10,000ft)... there are exceptions to this requirement for glider ports, some older aircraft without engine-driven electrical systems, but even those need 1hr advanced notice/approval from ATC in this airspace. Even if this were not within 30nm of an airport, it is over what is known as a ‘congested area’, which is also a specific term, and is designated on FAA terminal area charts (TACs) with bright yellow swaths in urban areas. No model aircraft operations are allowed over congested areas. I’m not sure what the interoperation is within your own property, below controlled airspace, but I’m certain it is not allowed over someone else’s property over congested areas. The FARs are a joy to read, and sometimes seemingly contradictory, but it is pretty clear this type of operation is illegal... whether it is considered a drone, an RC aircraft, or an ultralight aircraft... it is illegal. The only aircraft allowed to operate in this area are helicopter along prescribed helicopter routes... Class B airspace floor is at 1800 ft, and the space needle is over 600ft... you cannot be within 2000ft of the space needle (laterally) unless you are 1000ft above the space needle (and that is assuming it is the tallest thing within that radius). The guy has a number of issues (legally), the question is simply how hard the FAA wants to come down on him.


21 posted on 07/26/2014 12:01:07 AM PDT by leakinInTheBlueSea
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To: Solar Wind

The FAA has always been of the mindset that they regulate all the airspace over the U.S., the only question is what within that airspace needs to be regulated... the answer to that lies in what aircraft are deemed to be a public safety hazard. About 15-20 yrs ago (can’t specifically recall), I had an FAA official tell me that the FAA would regulate a frisbee if they thought it represented a safety hazard. I do not believe RC flyer have ever had a carte blanche to operate over congested areas at any altitude. The AMA has done an excellent job of self-policing over the decades, and the recent crop of new entrants into the hobby has led the FAA to consider them a safety hazard... a few morons (or terrorists) fly a quadcopter into the approach path of a major airport, and it is clear the breed has become a safety hazard. A few bad apples are ruining it for the vast majority of those with common sense and without ill intent.


22 posted on 07/26/2014 12:10:26 AM PDT by leakinInTheBlueSea
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No, of course not. I was referring to actual helicopters, not drones. I drive on that road almost every day, and I don’t know how many times they would take off or land right over my vehicle. That wreck would have been so much worse on a crowded weekend or if traffic had been heavier or gridlocked.


23 posted on 07/26/2014 12:46:32 AM PDT by stormer
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To: Solar Wind
This is a very creative hobby and it attracts dynamic people. This hobby has been the gateway for many who have gone into aviation, engineering and the space program. It is essential for cultivating inventors and growing the next generation of people who will build great things in America. This is why the FAA is proposing new rules to shut down decades of the aero modeling hobby as we know it. The socialist beast does not want anyone to be exceptional and to excel.

Sadly, true. As a kid in the 70's I had a great time flying R/C powered and unpowered aircraft. R/C gliders are a blast to fly when you hit a thermal and ride it up, up, up!

FedGov is on a mission to squeeze the last drops of joy out of living. Give it a few more years. They'll have our activities so regulated, smiling will be a crime.

24 posted on 07/26/2014 4:58:49 AM PDT by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: steve86

Plenty cool, not the most responsible thing to do though..

Sorry, but he didn’t just buy it at a hobby shop, that rig took a while to set up, lots of add-on equipment there.


25 posted on 07/26/2014 5:03:39 AM PDT by jughandle (Big words anger me, keep talking.)
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To: steve86

Yeppers. You are logged out.


26 posted on 07/26/2014 5:33:10 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: steve86

Great Video,

Good Link,

Let Freedom Reign!

Thanks


27 posted on 07/26/2014 6:04:18 AM PDT by Big Red Badger ( - William Diamonds Drum - can You Hear it G man?)
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To: steve86

Has to be a fake video. It shows Seattle with the sun shining.


28 posted on 07/26/2014 6:14:51 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: Flick Lives

“They’ll have our activities so regulated, smiling will be a crime.”

In Orwell’s novel Nineteen Eighty-Four, walking around in public with a smirk was deemed “facecrime” by the Thought Police.

In a police state there are two kinds of people: those looking down the barrel of a pistol aimed at them, and those aiming the pistol.

In a police state there is never a shortage of volunteers to be on the aiming end of the pistol.


29 posted on 07/26/2014 6:45:31 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: steve86

That is a great video. Well done by the Amazon employee.


30 posted on 07/26/2014 7:24:33 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Flick Lives; Solar Wind

We are Americans, and the exceptional will still overcome the beast.


31 posted on 07/26/2014 7:27:00 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: leakinInTheBlueSea
transponders are required

Quadcopters already have radio transceivers that could have a transponder function, but this toy weighs 2.6 pounds. A seagull weighs 4.2 pounds. Unless Fedzilla plans to attach transponders to every bird flying around the rules of flight need some sanity.

32 posted on 07/26/2014 9:07:35 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: Reeses

Not on the required frequency... if they did, they would never have passed FCC compliance (due to potential interference with the frequencies reserved for ATC!). I understand the frustration with overburdensome regulation... I share it. My primary point was that the regulations this guy broke are not new, and they are unambiguous... they’ve been around for a long time, and this guy, either willfully, or with ignorance of the law, flew his toy where he was not allowed to. As far as the ability of a 3 lb toy to create a safety hazard in comparison to a seagull? Birds DO create a hazard (especially flocks of them)... if the FAA thought they could get funding for outfitting them with transponders, they’d try! Many airports in bird-prone areas (e.g. bordering a bay, like SF) have permits to shoot birds to reduce the hazard they pose... roughly 5000 birds annually are killed at the major airports in CA. A single small one does not pose much of a hazard to a large airliner, but for smaller aircraft, it does not take much to get caught in the wrong place of a control surface to make an aircraft uncontrollable. For RC and drone aircraft, they are supposedly working on the rules to better delineate what can be done where (pretty easy to get a drone with a 12ft wing span that travels 150kts for not too much $ nowadays... this presents a much higher risk than the 2.6 lb craft here, but is currently captured under the same rules). The main thing that has been holding the rules up is apparently privacy concerns (or at least it was last year). The FAA is a dinosaur that historically has only sprung to action following a major disaster or two... the one-size fits all, conservative approach they are taking now is an attempt to prevent such a disaster until they better understand what the hell they should do.


33 posted on 07/26/2014 9:45:46 PM PDT by leakinInTheBlueSea
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