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Israel must be permitted to crush Hamas
The Washington Post ^ | July 24, 2014 | Michael Oren

Posted on 07/25/2014 10:53:57 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon, Secretary of State John Kerry and the foreign ministers of Great Britain and France all are rushing to achieve a cease-fire between Israel and Hamas. Their motive — to end civilian suffering and restore stability to the area — is noble. The images of the wounded and dead resulting from the conflict are indeed agonizing. However, these senior statesmen can be most helpful now by doing nothing. To preserve the values they cherish and to send an unequivocal message to terrorist organizations and their state sponsors everywhere, Israel must be permitted to crush Hamas in the Gaza Strip.

This is the lesson of previous rounds of fighting between the Israeli Defense Forces and terrorist strongholds. In Lebanon in 2006 and in Gaza in 2008 and again in 2012, Israel responded to rocket attacks on its cities with fierce counteroffensives. Fighting against a deeply dug-in enemy that both blended in with the local population and used it as a shield, Israel’s best efforts to avoid civilian casualties invariably proved limited. Incensed world opinion generated immense pressure on governments to convene the U.N. Security Council and empower human rights organizations to censure Israel and stop the carnage. These measures succeeded where the terrorists’ rockets failed. Israel was compelled to back down.

And the terrorists, though badly mauled, won....

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Egypt; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Israel; US: Massachusetts; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: egypt; gaza; hamas; intifada; israel; johnkerry; lurch; massachusetts
Michael Oren was Israel’s ambassador to the United States from 2009 to 2013. He currently is a fellow at the Interdisciplinary Center Herzliya and the Atlantic Council.
1 posted on 07/25/2014 10:53:57 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thanks for posting the article.

One wonders why does Israel have to get ‘permission’ ?


2 posted on 07/25/2014 11:20:28 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: UCANSEE2
Because the world is run by a gang of grasping psychopaths?
3 posted on 07/25/2014 11:24:30 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The only reason these people want a cease fire is to allow the Hamas to re-arm and get ready for the next fight. Everyone knows Hamas will never accept Israel, and that no Arab country other than Egypt and Jordan will ever recognize Israel as a nation. My honest opinion? Everyone is content with this war going on and on and on


5 posted on 07/25/2014 11:37:57 PM PDT by realcleanguy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Good article. But Israel just needs to do it. Not ask for permission.


6 posted on 07/25/2014 11:45:21 PM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“And David wasted all the land, and left neither man nor woman alive: and took away the sheep and the oxen, and the asses, and the camels, and the apparel...”
1Samuel 27:9

“Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.”
1Samuel 15:3

“But of those cities that shall be given thee, thou shalt suffer none at all to live”
Deuteronomy 20:16


7 posted on 07/25/2014 11:51:21 PM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Israel doesn’t need nor should they seek anyone’s permission to defend themselves. Crush Hamas out of existence, you’ll be doing the world a favor.


8 posted on 07/25/2014 11:53:55 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why does Israel need anyone’s “permission” to protect its citizens from a corrupt world that hates them? Please explain.


9 posted on 07/26/2014 12:04:09 AM PDT by quesney (e)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

http://americanthinker.com/2014/07/israels_perplexity_scipio_or_samson.html. Says it better than I can.


10 posted on 07/26/2014 12:51:27 AM PDT by faithhopecharity ((Brilliant, Profound Tag Line Goes Here, just as soon as I can think of one..))
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and took away the sheep and the oxen, and the asses, and the Democrats


11 posted on 07/26/2014 12:53:37 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: F15Eagle

100 % correct! Hamas MUST be crushed, limited war does nothing except move the next battle a little into the future. If war is required, than make sure there will be such terror that hamas will never again think about attacking Israel.War is not a game to be played with. It is the last option, and includes the TOTAL destruction of the enemy. Limited war just guarantees another war in the near future.
Israel needs to hurt hamas so badly that it will be another 1000 years before they think about another war.
Jack


12 posted on 07/26/2014 1:14:50 AM PDT by btcusn
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To: UCANSEE2

LOL, right, and who’s gonna stop em? UN sending troops in? What a hoot. The UN is just as worthless as Odumbo’s administration.


13 posted on 07/26/2014 1:28:31 AM PDT by SgtHooper (This is not my tag!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“their motive ... is noble”

no, Kerry and his UN buddies are not noble, merely imbecilic....

there is nothing “noble” about trying to preserve Hamas as a fighting terrorist force, which is what Kerry and pals are trying to do, in effect

they may imagine that their effort is on behalf of civilians, but people like Kerry have done this crap and preserved Hamas (and Hezbollah, PLO/PA etc.) over and over and over again...

Israel must finally crush and exterminate Hamas, and nutjobs like Kerry and Obama should just stfu and stay out of the way.


14 posted on 07/26/2014 1:54:47 AM PDT by Enchante
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To: UCANSEE2

no matter what foolish peacenik diplomatic pressures are exerted, Israel must finish the job this time!

How many times does Israel have to go through the charade and let the terrorists survive to re-build and attack again???

all the international naive b.s. about “peace process” and “cease-fire” can just go straight to Hades where it belongs.

Israel has been too reticent and restrained in its own defense for 66 years!!

Every time Israel is attacked they respond just enough to secure themselves for a few more years, or at best a decade or two.

The Jew-hating genocidal Arab/Muslim fanatics merely re-arm and prepare for the next go-round.

Israel must at least demolish Hamas in Gaza this time. They really ought to take care of the “West Bank” and southern Lebanon too, but with all the international pressure b.s. we’ll be lucky if Netanyahu takes care of Gaza well enough.

btw, Hezbollah is probably weakened from their losses in Syria I would guess, this might be the opportune time to take them out after dealing with Hamas!


15 posted on 07/26/2014 2:02:33 AM PDT by Enchante
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To: Enchante
"no, Kerry and his UN buddies are not noble, merely imbecilic...."

You're right.In fact what they're doing is making sure there will be even more civilian casualties.

16 posted on 07/26/2014 2:05:34 AM PDT by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
To preserve the values they cherish and to send an unequivocal message to terrorist organizations and their state sponsors everywhere, Israel must be permitted to crush Hamas in the Gaza Strip.

It's not about sending a message, except for the message that cannot be missed - lots of dead terrorists and no more weapons or tunnels. Islamic terrorists do not listen to messages.

17 posted on 07/26/2014 2:13:06 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yes, crush Hamas, first and foremost. But almost as important, Israel should demonstrate as emphatically as possibe that it doesn’t need or want anyone’s permission.


18 posted on 07/26/2014 2:13:28 AM PDT by LibWhacker (A New WPA: Hire blacks to surround illegal enclaves and round up job-stealing illegal aliens)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Crush? Yes.
Then destroy.
Then burn to ash.
Then pee on the ashes. Just for good measure.


19 posted on 07/26/2014 2:53:20 AM PDT by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Israel, just put them on “ignore” and do what you need to do!


20 posted on 07/26/2014 3:11:24 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
One of the biggest failings of the entire concept of the United Nations is that it ignores the reality of war. Wars only end when there is a victor and a looser. The looser must accept his defeat, and slink off to be never heard from again.

A cease fire merely prolongs the agony and the deaths. A prime example is Korea. The cease fire is some 60 years long, and the war continues, now with nuclear weapons.

21 posted on 07/26/2014 3:51:01 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage (The Stone Age didn’t end because we ran out of stones)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Israel must be permitted to crush Hamas

Obama and Kerry are deeply disappointed.

22 posted on 07/26/2014 4:24:50 AM PDT by Mark17 (Obama & Nero? Both Emperors. The difference is Nero plays a fiddle, while Obama plays Minnesota Fats)
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To: hoagy62
Khitan General: Hao! Dai ye! We won again! [Cheers] This is good. But what is best in life?
Khitan Warrior: The open steppe, a fleet horse, falcons at your wrist, and the wind in your hair.
Khitan General: Wrong! Conan, what is best in life?
Conan: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women!
Khitan General: [Cheers]...That is good.
23 posted on 07/26/2014 4:44:08 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The POST allowed this to be published? Is this a flying pigs moment?


24 posted on 07/26/2014 4:46:03 AM PDT by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sadly, IMHO, Israel won’t be able to really crush Hamas. Oh, this time they will put a terrific and well-deserved hurt on that organization.

But, the population of Gaza, and indeed of all Palestine, is fertile soil for Islamic craziness, of which Hamas is a worse-than-usual example. I still remember the Palestinians celebrating in the streets on 9/11 and handing out candy to children. Remember the ululating lady?

These people, and indeed most Arabs, are centuries away from civilization and tolerance.


25 posted on 07/26/2014 5:29:52 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: hoagy62

and bury the remains with pig guts..

One can never be to safe..


26 posted on 07/26/2014 5:55:34 AM PDT by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How many times have we gone through these cease fires and then seen the same clashes begin again after the Palestinians rearm. Only permanent solution I see is for Israel to occupy that area. They will be condemned by everyone but nothing else has worked.


27 posted on 07/26/2014 7:37:08 AM PDT by McGruff (We can't even secure our border never mind Ukraine's.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The actual meaning of the word “HAMAS” has an almost overwhelming evil sound to it even to the uninformed in the Hebrew language. Now, with the meaning understood as revealed by your research, HAMAS can be called exactly what it is; evil, violent, and an enemy of the entire world. Those who would try to take more or all of the land that God gave to His people would be of the same demonic cult called HAMAS. God will not be mocked. Israel is the land God gave to His chosen people. There is a day coming when He will judge the nations of the world on how they treated the Jewish nation. Let it be known that the day of His judgment may be sooner than you think. Much sooner!

Jesus was actually revealing the name of the terrorist group that would be in operation in Israel, which would prompt God to destroy them for their corruption. Remember, Jesus was speaking in Hebrew, not English, to his followers. Jesus knew He was revealing the name of the group who would oppose Israel, and bring in the time of Jacob’s trouble.

HAMAS is a terrorist group that spreads false witness against the Jews in Israel, as well as the Christians around the world. It uses the media well to promote negative propaganda to accomplish its goals.

Wickedness – the Hebrew word is rah, evil, hurtful, vicious

Corrupt – the Hebrew word is shachat, which literally means to slaughter or destroy, ruin, spoil, rotted. Here it says the flesh is ruined. It seems to be referring to a condition (due to corrupt seed?) in the physical body.


28 posted on 07/26/2014 8:28:55 AM PDT by PLD
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

- http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/07/25/at-25-seconds-incredible-video-actually-captures-israeli-bomb-in-the-air-before-it-hits-its-target/

25 seconds after HAM-ASS in Gaza fired off an unguided rocket towardsIsrael

Kudos to the Jews in Israel

- Beery Hussein Obama #2 (he bowls a mean 37 out of a possible 300 points!!!!!!!!!!) would study it for a few years and go play golf


29 posted on 07/26/2014 8:48:12 AM PDT by devolve (-Tell VLADIMER after my ERECTION I have more 90% more FLEXIBILITY - pre-1899 Colt SAA frames needed)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If there’s an infestation, you call the exterminator.


30 posted on 07/26/2014 9:20:14 AM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: hoagy62

Don’t forget the pork fat.


31 posted on 07/26/2014 9:55:39 AM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: Carthego delenda est

It’s Biblical and will continue right up to the end.


32 posted on 07/26/2014 10:22:20 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Because the world is run by a gang of grasping psychopaths?

Ahhhh.... there is nothing so refreshing as raw brutal truth.

33 posted on 07/26/2014 12:48:06 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: Enchante
Trying to stamp out Hamas is like trying to get rid of cockroaches.

There will be collateral damage to non-cockroaches , and you'll have to spray again in a few years.

34 posted on 07/26/2014 12:53:08 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: ThunderSleeps
Crush Hamas out of existance, you'll be doing the world a favor

What fills the void? Other voids have been filled by ISIS and Boka Haran and deadly chaos in Libya. In Egypt it's a strong not democratic military that turned things around.

I really don't have any idea for the answer to my question. Millions of angry impoverished people surrounding Israel just doesn't seem like an answer. That's especially now with the danger of ISIS - inspired opposition taking hold.

35 posted on 07/26/2014 12:59:22 PM PDT by grania
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To: Enterprise

Uh, He had it covered in Samuel: dimocrat = suckling


36 posted on 07/26/2014 1:11:55 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: Enchante

Egypt will never bother Israel again after losing its entire air force the last time it tried. It learned.

Jordan will never bother Israel again after nearly losing its entire armored corp. the last time the runt king got squirrelly. It learned.

Syria was one incident away from a final learning experience when the locals took it away from Asshad.

The Hamasses have nothing to lose but money. Gaza would go quiet by Monday morning if their money dried up. It is their backers who must learn. Qatar, the Soddies, and the Irans, who are their moneybag guys, still have a violent lesson to learn. I expect the Soddy royals to get their throats cut before long and the rest will follow. The ME is working its way back to pre-Ottoman configuration and it’s only being delayed by these tribal jerkopffs who use their money to keep the fight in their neighbors yards.


37 posted on 07/26/2014 1:29:38 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Don’t think they need “permission” from anyone...

They should grind the bastards into the sands until there is no more threat from them. Kill all Hamas sends, until they stop sending them.

That’s the way you deal with psychopaths.


38 posted on 07/26/2014 3:36:27 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: F15Eagle

100 % correct! Hamas MUST be crushed, limited war does nothing except move the next battle a little into the future. If war is required, than make sure there will be such terror that hamas will never again think about attacking Israel.War is not a game to be played with. It is the last option, and includes the TOTAL destruction of the enemy. Limited war just guarantees another war in the near future.
Israel needs to hurt hamas so badly that it will be another 1000 years before they think about another war.
Jack


39 posted on 07/26/2014 4:00:47 PM PDT by btcusn
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To: faithhopecharity

What the Romans did to Carthage?


40 posted on 07/26/2014 7:49:38 PM PDT by Mmogamer (I refudiate the lamestream media, leftists and their prevaricutions.)
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To: norwaypinesavage

It’s the same mentality running the schools.

Liberalism is a stranger to reality.


41 posted on 07/27/2014 12:00:39 PM PDT by JudyinCanada
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

>>Israel must be permitted to crush Hamas<<

I couldn’t help but chuckle inside with this statement.

“permitted”.....yea, pfffft

I pray the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, G-d of the house of David, Father to messiah Jesus the righteous...protect, guide and give supernatural strength to those defending the Jewish nation. Abba, may it be so!


42 posted on 07/27/2014 7:00:32 PM PDT by servantboy777
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Crushing is inadequate unless it is a crushing defeat. Unless an enemy is defeated in spirit, they only come back with a vengeance.


43 posted on 07/27/2014 8:34:50 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Shwarzenkaiser: fasionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: McGruff

The Arabs that the world calls “Palestinians” are essentially cockroaches. You cannot live with them, they will destroy your house, and kill you. Same applies here. The have been given BILLIONS of dollars and what do you have there...a sewer of islamic terrorism.

Leaflet the place, send them all to various islamic hellholes, and burn the place to the ground. Bulldoze anything that won’t burn. turn it into a beach resort, or something nice.


44 posted on 07/28/2014 7:22:06 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It is very evident to me the $800 million Clinton and Obama gave to Gaza and Hamas a while back to “rebuild” Gaza went to make missiles and dig tunnels.

All funded by American taxpayers.

FUBO


45 posted on 07/29/2014 1:28:34 PM PDT by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the Whitehouse.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Heck, Israel should be assisted in crushing the terrorists that have sworn to kill every man, woman, and child in Israel.

I say send the A-10 Warthogs we are mothballing to Israel and let the Israeli plane techs work their magic on them. Upgrade to electronics just like they did on the F16s. The A-10 is perfect for the close ground support Israel needs. A dozen Warthogs flying in formation over Gaza will send a strong message.

I can dream, can't I?

46 posted on 07/29/2014 1:36:55 PM PDT by Gabrial (The nightmare will continue as long as the nightmare is in the Whitehouse.)
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