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Israel Can Win, If Obama doesn't save Hamas
The Washington Free Beacon ^ | Saturday, July 25, 2014 | Matthew Continetti

Posted on 07/26/2014 3:53:15 AM PDT by Star Traveler

Secretary Kerry arrived in Cairo earlier this week. No one wanted him there. Egypt’s ruler, General Sisi, has no interest in saving Hamas through international diplomacy: The Muslim Brotherhood is his mortal enemy. Kerry then went from Cairo to Jerusalem, where he met with U.N. Secretary Ban Ki-moon, who flew to the meeting on a plane chartered by Qatar, Hamas’ primary source of cash. Kerry also met Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who is too gracious to tell the secretary to go back to Boston. (Israel’s former ambassador to the United States, Michael Oren, has said publicly what the Israeli government will not: Kerry is an unwelcome guest.) Next up was Mahmoud Abbas, president of the Palestinian Authority, who honored Kerry’s presence by endorsing Hamas’s call for a “Day of Rage” in the West Bank. Kerry “will soon decide if Hamas and Israel are willing to agree on a Gaza ceasefire,” Reuters says.

Who wants a ceasefire? Qatar. The sheikhs who bankroll the Muslim Brotherhood, Al Jazeera, and Hamas would see their status rise. A ceasefire would lend credence to the theory that the traditional Sunni powers—Egypt, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia—have been eclipsed both by Shiite Iran and by Brotherhood-friendly Sunnis in the Gulf and Turkey. Having lost Egypt and possibly Gaza, the Brotherhood finds itself on the precipice. A Qatari-backed ceasefire that does not include disarmament of Hamas would pull the movement back from the abyss.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: egypt; hamas; israel; johnkerry; lurch; massachusetts
Now, the article does have the headline mentioning Obama, but the real key to this article doesn't have to do with Obama -- it has to do with these two big Muslim blocks described here. Obama and Kerry are simply "fish who are out of water" and are useful idiots ... not much more.

This is really a "game" (so to speak) being played on the "game board" of Israel and Hamas, with Hamas being the central "played piece" -- by these two big Muslim blocks described here.

1 posted on 07/26/2014 3:53:16 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Star Traveler

Behind the lines: Hamas desperately seeking relevance [Israel]

Hamas is not an isolated player. It is part of a Muslim Brotherhood regional alliance bankrolled by the Emirate of Qatar.

The last year has not been good for this alliance. In 2011-12, they were riding high. They had come to power in Egypt and in Tunisia and seemed fairly placed to triumph in Syria too. Hamas elected to back what looked like an emergent Muslim Brotherhood power bloc – and drew away from its alliance with Iran.

Not much is left of all that. Egypt and Tunisia are gone. In Syria, only the regime, Islamic State and the Kurds remain as serious players. The Muslim Brotherhood’s moment in the sun was exceedingly brief.

This left their Palestinian iteration, Hamas, looking somewhat beached in 2014. The Iranian funding declined.

Egyptian President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi decimated the tunnel system through which the rulers of Gaza brought in goods and money. Fuel shortages and power outages became part of daily life. There was no money to pay state employees.

The Hamas decision to relaunch its military campaign, its refusal to accept Israel’s offer of “calm for calm,” and its rejection of an Egyptian cease-fire proposal that Israel accepted represent an attempt to bring about a “reset” in the position of Hamas and its backers in the region.

2 posted on 07/26/2014 3:55:14 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

Hamas has been looking for allies, so far in vain [Israel]

While Islamic Jihad remains an Iranian protégé, Hamas decided two and a half years ago to break with Iran and return to its natural Arab and Sunni home. This decision was sparked by the Iranian-backed Syrian government’s slaughter of its largely Sunni citizens, which generated pressure to sever ties from both fellow Palestinians and Arab states. But Hamas also thought this move wouldn’t exact too high an economic price, thanks to the support it received from Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood-led government.

That calculation collapsed when Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi was ousted last year; Egypt’s new government is waging war on the Brotherhood and all its branches, first and foremost Hamas. But Hamas can no longer return to Iran, Syria and Hezbollah. Qatar and Turkey remain its only refuge, and both are loathed by Egypt and the Gulf states.

3 posted on 07/26/2014 3:56:01 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

In Gaza war, Egypt taking hard line over border [Israel and Hamas]

Vilification of Hamas in Cairo has only increased since Operation Protective Edge erupted.

CAIRO (AP) — In the Gaza war now in its third bloody week, Hamas’ battle isn’t only with Israel, even though that’s the country it is firing rockets at. The terrorist group that rules Gaza is demanding Egypt open its border with the tiny, blockaded strip of territory

Even as it presents itself as a mediator in the conflict, Egypt is taking a hard line, refusing any opening that would strengthen Hamas, a group it accuses of fueling militancy on its soil.

And so far, the Egyptian public has largely gone along.

But as civilian casualties rise in Gaza, Egypt’s government runs the risk that Egyptians will blame it for not making concessions that could stop the bloodshed.

Still, authorities in Cairo have insisted they won’t bend. Foreign Minister Sameh Shukri called Rafah a “red line,” warning against pressuring Egypt on the issue.

Both Israel and Egypt have enforced a crippling, years-long blockade of Gaza. Israel also faces demands to open its crossings, which are vital to reviving the strip’s economy, but it is likely to resist doing so.

For its part, Egypt has made it clear it won’t open the border unless the Gaza side is run by Hamas’ rival, President Mahmoud Abbas’ Palestinian Authority.

4 posted on 07/26/2014 3:57:19 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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Gulf emirate is branded the villain behind Hamas belligerence, with PM’s former security adviser saying it funds tunnel diggers and rocket launchers.

President Shimon Peres accused Qatar on Wednesday of becoming “the world’s largest funder of terror” due to its financial support for Hamas in Gaza.

“Qatar does not have the right to send money for rockets and tunnels which are fired at innocent civilians,” the outgoing statesman told UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon in Jerusalem. “Their funding of terror must stop. If they want to build then they should, but they must not be allowed to destroy.”

Qatar’s recently attempted to transfer funds for the salaries of Hamas civil servants in Gaza, following the formation of a Palestinian unity government, but was blocked by the United States, which pressured the Arab Bank not to process them. But former national security adviser Maj. Gen. (res) Yaakov Amidror told The Times of Israel that the emirate’s funding for the organization’s terror apparatus, including tunnel diggers and rocket launchers, has continued unabated.

5 posted on 07/26/2014 3:58:15 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler
Under Obama, America SUPPORTS, WEAPONIZES, and DEFENDS terrorists.

Pictured: Obama’s half-brother wearing Hamas scarf that boasts ‘Jerusalem is ours—WE ARE COMING’

Obama’s Brother Joins Hamas, Wears Scarf Saying ‘Jerusalem Is Ours; We Are Coming’

Barack Obama’s Brother Malik Joins Hamas Terrorist Group

Obama appoints Hamas supporter who called Israelis Nazis to commission on religious freedom

CIA finds 1 in 5 flagged job applicants hail from Hamas, Hezbollah, al Qaeda

Al-Qaeda, Hamas operatives applied for CIA jobs, say new Snowden files

Obama Officials Met with Hamas, Discussed Removing it from Terror List

Summer Camp: Hamas Teaches Children to Kill and Kidnap Israelis

U.S. Muslim Brotherhood/Hamas Support Leader Chosen By Syrian Opposition

How the U.S. Aids Hamas Through the Palestinian Authority

Obama Approves Direct Funding For Hamas

US sends $50M to Gaza

Kerry, Obama, and the WEF’s $4 Billion Bailout Plan for PLO/Hamas

VERY IMPORTANT.. Obama’s Brother Funds Hamas (Proof Below)

Hamas 'happy' with Obama's $900 million pledge [2009 Flashback: Never Forget!!]

U.S. Selling $11B in Weaponry to Gulf State That Supports Hamas, Syrian Jihadists

Why would Hamas negotiate with John Kerry after getting $47 million from him?

Ninth Lesson From the Gaza War: Hamas Will Use Humanitarian Aid for Evil

Will Obama Snatch Defeat from the Jaws of Victory Over Hamas?

Obama to the rescue – of Hamas

The Southern Poverty Law Center Stands Up for Hamas

State Dept: U.S. Supports Palestinian Unity Government (Hamas)

Report: US Holding Backroom Talks with Hamas ‘For Months’

U.S. held secret meeting with Hamas, Terrorist regime still won't recognize Israel's right to exist

Former FBI Agent Says Leading Muslim Group a ‘Hamas Front’ (CAIR)

6 posted on 07/26/2014 4:06:10 AM PDT by Diogenesis (The EXEMPT Congress is complicit in the absence of impeachment)
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To: Star Traveler

Why is Quatar arming these rebels? Did I see some reporter trying to ask Moon & Lurch why he would fly in on a plane from Quatar?

Why don’t they leave ph**k alone and let the Israelis do their job for once and for all....

7 posted on 07/26/2014 4:10:38 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: Star Traveler

Has anyone connected the upswing in mideast violence to Obama’s releasing those five bad-asses from Gitmo?

8 posted on 07/26/2014 4:11:25 AM PDT by ryderann
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To: Diogenesis

One thing that must be made clear here is that the USA doesn’t give money or arms to Hamas, but the USA does give humanitarian aid to the People there in Gaza through agencies, such as UNRWA who administers the programs.

And Israel, who controls the goods that go into Gaza (they have a blockade around Gaza) does let the goods that the USA sends in through UNRWA go through their checkpoints, as Israel has no problem with that.

What Israel doesn’t let go through their checkpoints or past their blockade are arms and material for war going to Hamas.

ALSO ... humanitarian aid or aid to the Palestinian Authority, which Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has lobbied and urged Congress to continue supporting (because Israel doesn’t want it’s soldiers administering the PA territories) ... is given to the Palestinians on the West Bank.

And don’t be confused by the “unity pact” which is nothing but a “paper document” for foreign consumption ... with Hamas ... when it is the Palestinian Authority” and Abbas who are fully in control of Judea and Samaria.

The problem some have is that they can’t see the details and distinguish what is going on. And they confuse criminals and criminal actions of terrorists with support that the USA is giving to Palestinians, versus the terror groups.

They ignore that Prime Minister Netanyahu has no problem with humanitarian aid for Palestinian civilians and he also wants support for the Palestinian Authority to continue so Israel won’t have to administer the territories.

What neither the USA or Israel wants is any money or arms to the terrorist organization and neither one of them is doing that.

Israel and the USA are against Hamas and against supplying them in Gaza!

9 posted on 07/26/2014 5:03:34 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Diogenesis

In regards to the Israelis distinguishing the Palestinian residents in GAZA from the HAMAS operatives ... here’s what the Israeli Ambassador said just a couple of days ago!


Don’t let the enemies if Israel “spread the lie” that Israel treats all of Gaza as the enemy. It’s only Hamas that is the enemy!

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Speaking at the conference, Israel’s ambassador to the body, Eviatar Manor told the debate that “Israel will destroy Hamas’ military infrastructure.” He also added that “the Gaza residents are not our enemy. Israel is fully committed to international law.” The ambassador also slammed the UN Human Rights Council saying they had “failed to protect the human rights of Israelis,” Haaretz reports.

10 posted on 07/26/2014 5:06:46 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Star Traveler

The US, under the undocumented Obama,
has willfully given money to terrorists
through Obama.

Over and over. And it has been caught doing so.

Your repeated spamming posts cannot erase the multiple
connections -— even to Lerner at the IRS.

11 posted on 07/26/2014 5:07:28 AM PDT by Diogenesis (The EXEMPT Congress is complicit in the absence of impeachment)
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To: Diogenesis

Here’s how the IDF distinguishes the RESIDENTS of GAZA from the Hamas operatives, and they do as much as they humanly can to not have any collateral damage to the Palestinian civilians in Gaza!

How is the IDF Minimizing Harm to Civilians in Gaza?

The IDF does everything possible to limit civilian casualties in Gaza. Hamas exploits these efforts by encouraging Palestinian civilians to ignore the IDF’s warnings.

Phone Calls and Text Messages

As part of its efforts to minimize civilian casualties in Gaza, the IDF makes phone calls and sends text messages to civilians residing in buildings designated for attack. In the following video, you can hear a recording of an IDF soldier calling a Gazan to warn him of an impending airstrike in his vicinity.


The Israel Air Force has dropped leaflets over Gaza that warn civilians to avoid being present in the vicinity of Hamas operatives. These leaflets urge civilians to move away from Hamas targets, making clear Israel’s intention to minimize civilian casualties. Since the operation began, Hamas has repeatedly instructed Palestinians to ignore these warnings.


“Roof knocking” is when the IAF targets a building with a loud but non-lethal bomb that warns civilians that they are in the vicinity of a weapons cache or other target. This method is used to allow all residents to leave the area before the IDF targets the site with live ammunition.

The following video demonstrates how Hamas exploits the IDF’s efforts to avoid civilian casualties. On July 9, Palestinians fled a Hamas target after the IAF fired a warning shot. Moments later, people in the surrounding area flocked to the roof of the target, acting as human shields. The IAF called off the strike to avoid civilian casualties.

12 posted on 07/26/2014 5:10:41 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Diogenesis

Hamas is officially designated as a “Foreign Terrorist Organization” which puts the full complement of the US Government “machinery” in action AGAINST IT, and at all levels.

Now, many people CONFUSE the money that goes to UNRWA, which is a humanitarian aid organization for these Palestinian civilians, with thinking that money is given to Hamas.

And it’s not, because Israel MANS THE BORDER and has a FULL EMBARGO on Gaza, but Israel lets through all the aid that goes through UNRWA, because the Israelis are not designating the Palestinian civilians as the enemy, but they are designating the Hamas organization as the enemy.

And it’s likewise with the USA.

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Hamas is a designated foreign terrorist organization with the USA. This carries legal ramifications in our law in the USA and there are severe penalties for anyone supporting them with arms or money.

The USA not only does not “do it” (in terms of supplying Hamas with money or arms), they go beyond that and have listed Hamas as a foreign terrorist organization, and have those legal penalties.

Foreign Terrorist Organizations

Legal Criteria for Designation under Section 219 of the INA as amended

It must be a foreign organization.

The organization must engage in terrorist activity, as defined in section 212 (a)(3)(B) of the INA (8 U.S.C. § 1182(a)(3)(B)),* or terrorism, as defined in section 140(d)(2) of the Foreign Relations Authorization Act, Fiscal Years 1988 and 1989 (22 U.S.C. § 2656f(d)(2)),** or retain the capability and intent to engage in terrorist activity or terrorism.

The organization’s terrorist activity or terrorism must threaten the security of U.S. nationals or the national security (national defense, foreign relations, or the economic interests) of the United States.

Legal Ramifications of Designation

It is unlawful for a person in the United States or subject to the jurisdiction of the United States to knowingly provide “material support or resources” to a designated FTO. (The term “material support or resources” is defined in 18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(1) as “ any property, tangible or intangible, or service, including currency or monetary instruments or financial securities, financial services, lodging, training, expert advice or assistance, safehouses, false documentation or identification, communications equipment, facilities, weapons, lethal substances, explosives, personnel (1 or more individuals who maybe or include oneself), and transportation, except medicine or religious materials.” 18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(2) provides that for these purposes “the term ‘training’ means instruction or teaching designed to impart a specific skill, as opposed to general knowledge.” 18 U.S.C. § 2339A(b)(3) further provides that for these purposes the term ‘expert advice or assistance’ means advice or assistance derived from scientific, technical or other specialized knowledge.’’

Representatives and members of a designated FTO, if they are aliens, are inadmissible to and, in certain circumstances, removable from the United States (see 8 U.S.C. §§ 1182 (a)(3)(B)(i)(IV)-(V), 1227 (a)(1)(A)).

Any U.S. financial institution that becomes aware that it has possession of or control over funds in which a designated FTO or its agent has an interest must retain possession of or control over the funds and report the funds to the Office of Foreign Assets Control of the U.S. Department of the Treasury.

Other Effects of Designation

Supports our efforts to curb terrorism financing and to encourage other nations to do the same.

Stigmatizes and isolates designated terrorist organizations internationally.

Deters donations or contributions to and economic transactions with named organizations.

Heightens public awareness and knowledge of terrorist organizations.

Signals to other governments our concern about named organizations.

13 posted on 07/26/2014 5:16:18 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: ryderann

Obama is doing everything he can to destroy the United States of America. Obama is looking extremely successful in his endeavor. Obama’s open borders are inviting ME terrorists to do more damage here...after he helps them destroy Israel.

14 posted on 07/26/2014 5:20:48 AM PDT by abclily
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To: Diogenesis

And here is another way that Israel distinguishes between fighting and killing Hamas -versus- the Gaza residents, which the Israeli Ambassador says Israel has no fight with ... Only a fight with Hamas, the terrorist organization. And that’s why when the USA gives aid to UNRWA to bring that aid to the residents of Gaza - Israel lets all that aid go through that the USA gave them — precisely because Israel knows the difference between giving money to Hamas -versus- giving humanitarian aid to Gaza residents.

This is what you posted yesterday, I believe ... :-) ...

IDF Opens Hospital for Palestinians, Hamas Prevents Access

The IDF has opened a temporary hospital for Palestinians on the Israeli side of the Erez Crossing. Even as terrorists fire rockets at Israel, the hospitals treating wounded civilians in cooperation with the Red Crescent. Hamas, the terrorist organization that rules Gaza, has prevented Palestinians from entering Israel in order to reach the hospital.

15 posted on 07/26/2014 5:25:27 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: ryderann

I haven’t seen any reports, but this money from Qatar to Hamas has been going on for longer than those guys were released. That doesn’t mean that they are doing nothing right now, but rather, Qatar was already involved with Hamas?

16 posted on 07/26/2014 5:27:45 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: nikos1121

Qatar is using Hamas as leverage to gain ascendency over the “Egyptian block” (which Israel is quietly associated with).

This is a big “power play” among the two big Muslim blocks in the Middle East, using “Israel and Hamas” as the chessboard!

17 posted on 07/26/2014 5:30:21 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: abclily
Obama tried to save Russia from oblivion.
Obama tried to leave Iraq and Afghanistan stranded.
Obama shuns all US Allies, especially Israel.
Obama tried to save the Muslim Brotherhood leader (Morsi) in Egypt.
Obama tried to help the Libyan terrorist who killed our Ambassador.
Obama is slashing the defense budget.
Obama set red lines that were imaginary.
Obama is now trying to save HAMAS from Israeli destruction.
Obama is helping establish the Islamic Caliphate (ISIS).
Obama is fomenting divisiveness within American society.
Obama is traitor material.
Obama is either following an agenda or is just the weakest, most ineffectual President in US history and as a result, the planet is aflame.
Obama wants Iran to get the bomb.
Obama wants Israel gone, and America as well.
He must be impeached.
18 posted on 07/26/2014 5:33:09 AM PDT by Netz
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To: Star Traveler

In every Israeli-muslim conflict I can recall the US and UN swoop in to save the muslims the minute it becomes clear that Israel will be able to finish off their muslim antagonists.

It happened in the Six Day war.

It happened in the Yom Kippur war.

And it happened in the 2006 Israeli-Hezbollah war in Lebanon when Condi Rice made all sorts of promises to Israel to get them to cease fire before they totally destroyed Hezbollah.

Of course once the Israelis agreed to a cease fire, Condi forgot all about her promise to prevent Hezbollah from rebuilding and re-arming.

19 posted on 07/26/2014 6:10:46 AM PDT by Iron Munro (IRONY)
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To: Iron Munro

That’s one reason why we must insist on what comes out of the “Egyptian block” as opposed to the “Qatari block” ... because Egypt is not putting up with nonsense from Hamas and Israel is cooperating with Egypt!

20 posted on 07/26/2014 6:19:04 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Netz

In short Obama is a TOTAL DISASTER!

21 posted on 07/26/2014 6:20:00 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Netz

Obama is definitely following an agenda. Thanks for the list.

22 posted on 07/26/2014 6:33:17 AM PDT by abclily (every)
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To: Star Traveler

Star Traveler,
Thanks for all of the analysis.
Very helpful to understanding the complexity of all this.

23 posted on 07/26/2014 7:42:11 AM PDT by super7man (Oh why did I post that, now I'll never be able to run for Congress.)
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To: Star Traveler

In other words, they want more money.

24 posted on 07/26/2014 8:39:53 AM PDT by virgil (The evil that men do lives after them)
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To: virgil

Well, I believe Qatar supplies them with all the money they need. Their REAL OBJECTIVE (and also from Qatar, who is pulling the strings behind the scenes) is that they want the BLOCKADE LIFTED! (From both Egypt and Israel). The reason why is what good is the money if Hamas cannot get the arms past the blockade. They can have all the money they want, but they’re going to have trouble getting those arms past Israel and Egypt!

Hamas has already said that this is their objective — to get the arms embargo lifted! And their METHODOLOGY for doing that is to get as many Palestinian civilians killed as they can — and then say, “It’s all the fault of Israel!” ... hoping that this FALSE ACCUSATION will force Israel to lift the arms embargo!

25 posted on 07/26/2014 8:45:48 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: abclily

Obama has a checklist too. It’s called, “How to destroy America in two terms”.

26 posted on 07/26/2014 9:29:49 PM PDT by Netz
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