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Federal court upholds Fla.'s docs vs. glocks law (good news)
WBTW News 13 ^ | 07/25/2014 | AP

Posted on 07/26/2014 11:02:57 AM PDT by aimhigh

A Florida law restricting what doctors can tell patients about gun ownership was deemed to be constitutional Friday by a federal appeals court, which said it legitimately regulates professional conduct and doesn't violate the doctors' First Amendment free speech rights.

The ruling by the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Atlanta overturned a previous decision that had declared the law unconstitutional. An injunction blocking enforcement of the law is still in effect, however.

By a 2-1 decision, the appeals court upheld the law as a protection of patient privacy rights and said that the limits imposed by it were "incidental."

"The act simply codifies that good medical care does not require inquiry or record-keeping regarding firearms when unnecessary to a patient's care," states the opinion written by U.S. Circuit Judge Gerald Tjoflat.

(Excerpt) Read more at wbtw.com ...


TOPICS: Government; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: banglist; doctors; fl; florida

1 posted on 07/26/2014 11:02:57 AM PDT by aimhigh
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To: aimhigh

IN the article:
Howard Simon, executive director of the ACLU of Florida, was surprised with Friday’s ruling. “We are astounded that a court would allow the legislature to override the free speech rights of doctors and medical personnel,” Simon said in a statement. “It’s a sad day when judges tell doctors what is in the best interest of their patients.”

Funny, the ACLU holds the opposite opinion when it comes to shrinks treating homosexuality.


2 posted on 07/26/2014 11:05:10 AM PDT by aimhigh (1 John 3:23)
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To: aimhigh

I would be much happier with a product liability law that enables patients to sue doctors for bad advice concerning guns. However, if the doctor is a licensed firearms trainer by the NRA or does not provide any advice at all, then they are exempted from any liability.


3 posted on 07/26/2014 11:10:15 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: aimhigh
The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed,

but Glocks misfire and accidentally discharge so frequently that doctors SHOULD warn us about them!

yada yada Glock wonderful love Glock Glock yada yada Glock Glock...

Almost every gun shop in America has a hole in the floor from a Glock that discharged as it was cycled. The weapon sucks.
4 posted on 07/26/2014 11:17:01 AM PDT by golux
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To: aimhigh
restricting what doctors can tell patients about gun ownership

He can tell me whatever he wants.
Just as long as he doesn't ask me anything for the record.

Likely as not we're going to meet at the range, anyway...

5 posted on 07/26/2014 11:31:18 AM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: golux

The most effective safety on any gun is between the shooters ears. police carried 6 shot revolvers with no safeties for a century and nobdy was screaming “ the gun is unsafe, it doesn’t have a safety!”. The glock is a perfectly servicable weapon. If you don’t like it, fine that’s your choice. but you can’t argue with success. The glock is the service weapon for the vast majority of law enforcement in the U.S. for a reason. BTW, I am a factory certified glock armorer so I know from whence I speak.

CC


6 posted on 07/26/2014 11:34:42 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: aimhigh

Free speech? BS!
What really started this?

“Florida’s Republican-controlled Legislature adopted the Firearm Owners’ Privacy Act after an Ocala couple complained that a doctor had asked them about guns. The couple say they refused to answer and the physician refused to see them again.”

Did you get that?
Doctor wants to know if you have firearms in your home, you tell him it’s none of his damn business and he refuses to ever treat you again!
THAT’S what this is about.
Free speech has nothing to do with it.
Unless you tell the doctor whether or not you own guns (so he can turn that info into the government) you don’t get to have a doctor.


7 posted on 07/26/2014 11:38:12 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: Celtic Conservative

Revolvers are inherently safe. Glocks are automatics, as you know. I believe there is sort of an ‘omerta’ or code of silence about Glock safety. What’s between your ears doesn’t help you if your firing pin has a way of doing things it shouldn’t do.

In any case I won’t own one. Light, fun to shoot, but just too creepy.


8 posted on 07/26/2014 11:50:01 AM PDT by golux
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To: Celtic Conservative

By the way, however, I appreciate your opinion and hold it as one of authority. Nevertheless I do believe LEA popularity has more to do with weight, price and comfort. Given the choice, if it wasn’t a Police Department Buy, wouldn’t the “smartest” LEO you know select a Browning, Colt, or Beretta?

Wouldn’t you?


9 posted on 07/26/2014 11:53:12 AM PDT by golux
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To: Celtic Conservative

From what I’ve read in the ancient past, FRANCE ordered lots of S&W police revolvers for their police. They required a thumb safety on them.


10 posted on 07/26/2014 11:59:02 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: golux
Glocks are automatics, as you know.

Glocks are semi-automatics, as you know.

11 posted on 07/26/2014 12:02:09 PM PDT by Teacher317 (We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men)
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To: aimhigh

Tell me Doc, do I want to be a giver or a receiver?


12 posted on 07/26/2014 12:09:09 PM PDT by stocksthatgoup (Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldnÂ’t make any sense at all." -- Pres. Reagan)
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To: aimhigh
"A Florida law restricting what doctors can tell patients about gun ownership..."

Misleading and biased story. The law didn't restrict what doctors could say. It restricted what questions they could ask about private non-medical facts and the records they could keep about them.

13 posted on 07/26/2014 12:17:58 PM PDT by mlo
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To: Teacher317

Oh really? I never knew. So, like, half a machine gun?
Phew! Thank goodness you set me straight. I’ve been looking at my collection of firearms wondering what the heck they were! Thanks. By the way, what’s a barrel shroud?


14 posted on 07/26/2014 1:01:57 PM PDT by golux
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To: golux

Beretta 92 was the choice for quite a while.


15 posted on 07/26/2014 1:04:06 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: stocksthatgoup

Much smarter to be a revolver LOL. In terms of efficacy and simplicity. The close in weapon of choice of the mob, with sub powder loads.


16 posted on 07/26/2014 1:05:59 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Teacher317

Agreed. Do wish the media understood this. Maybe better said to be an “autoloader” not an auto-firer.


17 posted on 07/26/2014 1:07:45 PM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: mlo
Misleading and biased story.

Shazaam, who would have guessed?

It restricted what questions they could ask about private non-medical facts

It is telling that the ACLU should have a problem with protecting the privacy of patients.

18 posted on 07/26/2014 1:18:10 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: golux

Thank you for being respectful, I do appreciate that. I’ve carried s&w’s Berettas and Glocks on Duty. I hate to say it, but after 12+ hours on duty less weight on the belt is generally appreciated. All other things being equal, I’ll carry the glock. To each his own, however.

CC


19 posted on 07/26/2014 3:13:24 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: John S Mosby; Celtic Conservative; Kenny Bunk

The Beretta 92 variants (I have a 90 model) are wonderful, but they are heavy! Celtic is right. After a few hours one forgets about the Glock whereas the Beretta makes a sweaty crinkled mess of my suit. One more reason why I love the S&W revolvers in .357 titanium. Now why can’t they make a “ladysmith” with a name like BLACK OPS SPECIAL?


20 posted on 07/26/2014 5:09:14 PM PDT by golux
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To: golux; John S Mosby; Celtic Conservative
.....the Beretta makes a sweaty crinkled mess of my suit....

Damned if my Thompson doesn't do the same! But by keeping the spare drums in baggies, they are always dry and ready for use. Ditto my Mills Bombs.

I notice from my TV that a lot of the lighter in the loafer "personalities" are wearing suits so tightly cut they look as if they were bought when the guy was 11. These fellows should keep their Ladysmiths in their manpurses.

21 posted on 07/26/2014 8:12:34 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The GOP is dying. What do we do now?)
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To: golux
what’s a barrel shroud?

Why, something you cover a dead barrel with of course..

OK, I'll leave quietly... ;-)

22 posted on 07/26/2014 11:33:15 PM PDT by NoCmpromiz (John 14:6 is a non-pluralistic comment.)
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To: aimhigh; harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; blackie; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; ..
Well, well, well... !

RKBA/Florida double-ping!

Florida Freeper

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

23 posted on 07/27/2014 4:34:18 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The "American People" are no longer capable of self-governance.)
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To: golux

They are dangerous in the hands of dumb asses

You pprobably should stick with a slingshot as Glocks are for adults.

Glocks don’t misfire, idiots like you pull the trigger then blame the gun.


24 posted on 07/27/2014 5:35:07 AM PDT by Eaker (Dogs love to be hugged! Rescue and Hug One Today.)
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To: golux

“Accidental discharge” is a stupid concept and the term should be banned from the lexicon. 99.995% of all so-called “accidental discharges” are really negligent discharges. Human negligence is the cause of the problem, not Glocks or any other non-sentient assemblage of steel and (optionally) plastic.

Firearms safety happens between the ears, not with the addition of a magic button to a firearm.


25 posted on 07/27/2014 6:43:32 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: aimhigh

“Funny, the ACLU holds the opposite opinion when it comes to shrinks treating homosexuality.”

Could it be possible the ACLU favors the agenda of the progressives?


26 posted on 07/27/2014 7:06:59 AM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (Just what is the real reason to disarm a law abiding citizen like me?)
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To: golux

Some folks like Glocks the same way some folks liked the VW Beetle. For me, both are too ugly, no matter their efficiency. The Chiappa revolver is too ugly, no matter its efficiency.

I’m so vain.


27 posted on 07/27/2014 7:13:50 AM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (Just what is the real reason to disarm a law abiding citizen like me?)
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To: FreedomPoster; Kenny Bunk

“Accidental discharge” is no myth. It happened to me one time (and one time alone) with an exquisite indian co-ed in the common room of Trumbull college.

The Glock, conversely, misfires as it cycles, and from what I am told it is a well-known problem. I am not a gunsmith or armorer, so please do not make fun of me if I use less-than perfect descriptive language, here’s the deal:

When you charge the cylinder ie. draw a cartridge into the cylinder of a Glock auto handgun, and when you then release the slide to ‘close’ the weapon, there is a chance, especially if you ‘release’ with a snap, that the weapon will discharge. I am told by a VA gunsmith and dealer that the firing pin ‘slides’ out of its sleeve.


28 posted on 07/27/2014 8:37:55 AM PDT by golux
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To: golux

if so, need a more stout spring.


29 posted on 07/27/2014 9:10:09 AM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: Joe Brower; aimhigh; harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; blackie; AAABEST; Travis McGee; ...
About the ONLY thing "Florida Doctors" (Cream'o'Third World Geezer-Manglers) are actually good for is an accidental discharge.

"Welly Welly sorry, Mrs. McGillicuddy, but he was 64 years old, you know, and we could do nothing! So, we discharged him, accidently sort of."

O BTW, Glock is (or was) always in court about this "accidental discharge" issue, (including cases involving LEO's) so let not the Glock Fans get their knickers in a knot defending the company's product. OTOH, MacDonalds patrons have won millions for suing about hot coffee.

Perhaps best to remember old Serbian saying.

Is gun. Is supposed to be dangerous.

30 posted on 07/27/2014 10:42:30 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The GOP is dying. What do we do now?)
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To: golux
Dear Golux,
I am most surprised your Dean (The one in the mysterious co-ed murder) did not inform you that if one is going to shoot the deliciously nubile offspring of a wealthy Worthy Oriental Gentleman, one should properly use a Webley-Vickers in .455.

In that way, one can always claim self-defense, e.g.: "Officer, she made a furtive move toward my lanyard." Of course, in today's New Haven, one ought to be prepared to state that in correct español.

BTW, as a medico myself and well versed in the anatomy of the female coed, including many who were quite common, I must admit that I am stumped by your use of the terms "accidental discharge in the Common Room."

31 posted on 07/27/2014 10:57:14 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The GOP is dying. What do we do now?)
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To: Kenny Bunk

ROFL.


32 posted on 07/27/2014 11:39:06 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: NoCmpromiz
what’s a barrel shroud? Why, something you cover a dead barrel with of course

That is actually called the "Barrel Cozy," My grandmother used to knit them for me, before the BATF took her and her dog out. Wrong house sort of thing.

33 posted on 07/28/2014 1:45:47 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The GOP is dying. What do we do now?)
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To: Kenny Bunk

For all growing young men— an unforgettable seminal moment. A mind being a surprising thing to find and “get right”, for when the “top” breaks and the spent shells fall out, the shootist must.... reload for another go.

The only defense to the Dean in such cases (which is completely lame in the case of a revolver) is/was “I didn’t know the gun was loaded” before “one’s” misfire at a damsel in deshabille distress.


34 posted on 07/29/2014 12:15:06 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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