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National Guard in Texas Could Get Arrest Power
NYT ^ | July 24, 2014 | MANNY FERNANDEZ

Posted on 07/26/2014 12:22:29 PM PDT by QT3.14

When Gov. Rick Perry of Texas announced plans to deploy 1,000 National Guard troops to help with the border crisis, it came with a power unexpected by some. By deploying them himself rather than through Washington, he has the power to order the troops to make arrests and apprehensions, something Guard troops in past border deployments have been prohibited from doing.

Immigrant rights advocates and others, including former federal officials involved in previous National Guard mobilizations, said the troops would lack both training and federal oversight, creating a risk of civil rights violations and deadly encounters with immigrants.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: border; illegals; immigration; nationalguard; perry; texas
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1 posted on 07/26/2014 12:22:29 PM PDT by QT3.14
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To: QT3.14

They better have firearms power or Perry’s an idiot.


2 posted on 07/26/2014 12:25:26 PM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: QT3.14

From the liberals all we hear is, “no no no don’t do this it might work!!!!!!!”


3 posted on 07/26/2014 12:28:14 PM PDT by oldenuff2no (Retired AB Ranger K-9 handler.)
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To: George from New England
Perry is an idiot. That's a given.

I hope the guard is armed and authorized to use force anyway.

/johnny

4 posted on 07/26/2014 12:32:46 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: QT3.14

“civil rights violations”

What civil rights are illegals entitled to? And based on their screwing up of everything they touch, a lack of federal oversight can only be a wonderful thing...


5 posted on 07/26/2014 12:43:27 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Texan5
“civil rights violations”

That was all I needed to read from the article

6 posted on 07/26/2014 12:48:26 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: Irish Eyes
"“civil rights violations”

If you shoot them as they are crossing there is no violation.

7 posted on 07/26/2014 12:54:49 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: QT3.14

would it be possible for other states to contribute help to Perry / Texas in this effort? After all, it is a national crisis.


8 posted on 07/26/2014 1:02:59 PM PDT by my right
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To: JRandomFreeper

“Perry is an idiot. That’s a given.”
In your book maybe, but he has done better things for the people of Texas than any democRAT as swipes.
I guess you don’t assign the same level of intelligence to the fraud in the white hut?
Criticizing those who fight for our side gets us no where. I would rather go hang out with Perry than anyone associated with DemocRATS or Rinos.
Perry is not perfect, but he does fight for our side. And you?


9 posted on 07/26/2014 1:06:34 PM PDT by 9422WMR ("Ignorance can be cured by education, but stupidity is forever.")
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To: oldenuff2no

“From the liberals all we hear is, “no no no don’t do this it might work!!!!!!!”

And the GOPe is saying something different?

If the republican GOPe gives Obama four billion dollars they’ll go down in history very very very badly


10 posted on 07/26/2014 1:07:43 PM PDT by stanne
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To: George from New England
>>>They better have firearms power or Perry’s an idiot.

Well then I guess he's not an idiot...because they will be armed up.

11 posted on 07/26/2014 1:09:50 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: QT3.14

illegals have no civil rights

their rights ceased when they crossed the border


12 posted on 07/26/2014 1:10:24 PM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12 ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: Mariner
"“civil rights violations” If you shoot them as they are crossing there is no violation.

I knew there was a simple answer.

13 posted on 07/26/2014 1:24:32 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: QT3.14

When the DC pigs start squealing, we will know the constitution is working.


14 posted on 07/26/2014 1:32:11 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

If Perry is really an idiot then the voters of Texas are bigger idiots for electing him Governor more times than any governor in Texas history.

Texas AND Perry must be something very right to have the best State economy and folks from all over the US clamoring to come here.


15 posted on 07/26/2014 1:48:41 PM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: Irish Eyes

I’m pretty sure being turned back toward Mexico in the middle of the river or on dry land shy of the US does not violate any civil rights-so as long as that happens, I don’t see a problem-once their toes are back in Mexico, it is no longer our concern...


16 posted on 07/26/2014 1:50:46 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: Texan5

I’m pretty sure being turned back toward Mexico in the middle
of the river or on dry land shy of the US

*************

That is a legal issue for sure. Essentially the southern US/Texas border is the middle
of the Rio Grande in most places. It may vary somewhat in the major lakes, etc.


17 posted on 07/26/2014 1:58:50 PM PDT by deport
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To: QT3.14
creating a risk of civil rights violations and deadly encounters with immigrants

Illegal Invaders don't have rights and if encounters are "deadly" maybe the rest will go home.

18 posted on 07/26/2014 2:05:37 PM PDT by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: QT3.14
How soon before Obama federalizes the Texas National Guard and stations them to guard the Oklahoma border?
19 posted on 07/26/2014 2:07:47 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (The IRS: either criminally irresponsible in backup procedures or criminally responsible of coverup.)
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To: deport

If they are in the water, turn them back at the midpoint, then watch to make sure they keep going and get out of the water on Mexican soil-no need to be fussy, just make sure they do that.


20 posted on 07/26/2014 2:08:37 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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>> NYT: Immigrant rights advocates

Illegal alien advocates...


21 posted on 07/26/2014 2:09:37 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: deport

I was born and raised in rural S.W Texas, BTW-I know for certain that method works...


22 posted on 07/26/2014 2:10:30 PM PDT by Texan5 ("You've got to saddle up your boys, you've got to draw a hard line"...)
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To: QT3.14

Pray he doesn’t use the COIN ROE and that the cartels stay quiet.


23 posted on 07/26/2014 3:13:40 PM PDT by huldah1776
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To: QT3.14

Seeing as their going to function primarily to save lives by taking people out of the hostile desert and into custody.

Anyone who stands against the guard is asking to leave those children out in the Texas Desert to get lost and die, as countless numbers of them are dying.

As for what we do with them, the frank truth is theses children are runaways they must be send home to their parents.

The adults with them should be treated as illegal aliens at best kidnappers at worse.

If they have “Civil Rights” they aren’t going to do them any good dying of exposure out in the desert.


24 posted on 07/26/2014 3:50:34 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: deport

I know its something of a moot question(Federal employees in black robes know no law) but if a party never enters the US how can US law apply to them?


25 posted on 07/26/2014 4:28:39 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: Texan5
I’m pretty sure being turned back toward Mexico in the middle of the river or on dry land shy of the US does not violate any civil rights-so as long as that happens, I don’t see a problem-once their toes are back in Mexico, it is no longer our concern...

May God protect Perry, the NG, Border Patrol and other Law Enforcement.

26 posted on 07/26/2014 4:36:04 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: Monorprise
I know its something of a moot question(Federal employees in black robes know no law) but if a party never enters the US how can US law apply to them?

one word......... obama

27 posted on 07/26/2014 4:37:32 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: JRandomFreeper
Perry is an idiot. That's a given.

Ya think? (see my tagline)

28 posted on 07/26/2014 4:49:22 PM PDT by South40 (Hillary Clinton was a "great secretary of state". - Texas Governor Rick Perry)
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To: KarlInOhio

Fortunately Texas is one of the few states with an active state guard, which can’t be federalized.

If the feds start playing games with the TX ARNG, step one is a call up of the TX Guard, step two is mass resignations from the ARNG.


29 posted on 07/26/2014 6:11:46 PM PDT by BlueNgold (Have we crossed the line from Govt. in righteous fear of the People - to a People in fear of Govt??)
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To: 9422WMR
Perry is not perfect, but he does fight for our side. And you?

Texas will be blue in 2016, 2020 at the latest, what did LaRaza Rick do to prevent that?

30 posted on 07/26/2014 11:51:37 PM PDT by itsahoot (Voting for a Progressive RINO is the same as voting for any other Tyrant.)
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To: X-spurt
He's my governor. He's an idiot.

The governor in Texas holds very little actual political power. The Lt. Governor is more powerful.

Perry has squat to do with the economy except for cheerleading.

/johnny

31 posted on 07/27/2014 4:41:11 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: George from New England

The guard needs to leave the Feds out of the entire process. Interdiction arrest, processing and RETURN.


32 posted on 07/27/2014 4:42:39 AM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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To: 9422WMR
Perry is a former Democrat that Rove convinced to run as a Republican.

He has great hair.

The governor in Texas has very little real political power. He can't even pardon criminals without permission from a board.

The real power is in Lt. Governor (formerly Dewhurst) and House Speaker (Strauss).

I worked hard to help get Dewhurst fired, and I'm doing the same thing with Strauss and Cornyn.

Perry is NOT a conservative, he does not fight for my side most times.

I'll be glad to have Abbott for governor. He's a conservative.

/johnny

33 posted on 07/27/2014 4:46:23 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Johnny my man, that’s your opinion, but that puts you in a spot of not being with most conservative voters in Texas.

Governors and the POTUS are first and foremost cheerleaders.

If you think the Governor doesn’t matter, try remembering all those Yellerdog dems Texas suffered through and who kept us about equal to Louisiana, Mississippi and Arkansas for decades.

Whether you, or the little Martian ronpaul think much of Perry, you can not argue that Texas has indeed prospered while he has been Governor.


34 posted on 07/27/2014 6:53:18 AM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
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To: Feckless
creating a risk of civil rights violations and deadly encounters with immigrants

There must be a down side. I just can't see it.

35 posted on 07/27/2014 6:57:15 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (This is known as "bad luck". - Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: X-spurt
Texas has steadily been moving to become more conservative.

But that's because people like me won't put up with good-ole-boys like Dewhurst and Strauss and Cornyn. It'll take some time with Strauss and Cornyn, but Dewhurst is gone.

Perry is NOT a conservative. His support for the Trans-Texas Corridor, and the STD vaccine for Texas schoolgirls pretty well prove that.

That he worked for the Gore campaign before Rove (a liberal republican) talked him into switching sides proves the point.

Perry is a good Republican. But that doesn't mean he's conservative.

I'll be happy with Abbott, since Perry doesn't matter anymore in Texas politics.

And he doesn't have a shot at national politics.

/johnny

36 posted on 07/27/2014 8:50:04 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Perry probably started off as a conservative democrat, like most Texans used to be (except my father). He changed to Republican when he realized that he was more in line with them. I see that as a good thing. As far as the Gardisil thing, he listened to the shouts of NO NO NO and he dropped the idea. That is what I want a politician to do...... listen and act on what he heard the citizens say.


37 posted on 07/27/2014 8:56:30 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Ditter; JRandomFreeper

The Gardisil incident showed where his heart is.


38 posted on 07/27/2014 9:00:15 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Ditter
Perry doesn't matter in Texas politics much longer anyway. I don't have a lot of respect for any politician. Less for liberal ones.

If Texas is doing better, it's only to the extent that the government gets the heck out of the way and lets the people and the market work.

Abbott will be a better governor, in that he won't start out with liberal ideas and try to push them.

/johnny

39 posted on 07/27/2014 9:03:28 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Balding_Eagle
It's that liberal Austin water. I carry my own down there when I have to spend time in Austin.

/johnny

40 posted on 07/27/2014 9:04:48 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Meaning what?


41 posted on 07/27/2014 9:11:58 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Ditter

It means that, as a leader, Perry isn’t going where most conservatives want to go.

The Gardisil fiasco does show that he can be beaten into submission. That raises the question, who can beat him into submission first, conservatives, or liberals?


42 posted on 07/27/2014 11:12:48 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

“It’s my way or the highway” is a lonely road for puritans looking for perfection. Good luck with that.

I remember even Ronald Reagan wasn’t perfect but he was pretty darn good. I am a Ted Cruz supporter but you will probably find something wrong with him too.


43 posted on 07/27/2014 12:25:06 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Ditter

If you call looking for perfection rejecting a left wing Republican, yes, I’m on that train.

We had one of those in CO not too long ago, and see where he led us?


44 posted on 07/27/2014 4:28:12 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

I prefer to look at things from a different angle. The puritans stayed home the last 2 president elections and did not soil their hands and look what it got us. I did not like McCain and Romney but I would take them over what we got. What we got is an unmitigated disaster and I am afraid we won’t recover from it. Thank you very much.


45 posted on 07/27/2014 5:37:16 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Ditter
Romney didn't even match his party platform, unless the republican platform includes abortion on demand, amnesty, socialized medicine, and gun control.

You can call that puritan, but just matching the party platform should be a basic qualifying requirement.

/johnny

46 posted on 07/28/2014 4:41:15 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: QT3.14

Posse Comitatus...?


47 posted on 07/28/2014 4:43:00 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Mad Dawgg
Applies only at the federal level. Doesn't affect states.

/johnny

48 posted on 07/28/2014 4:43:50 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Applies only at the federal level.

So the "National" in National Guard means...?

49 posted on 07/28/2014 4:45:22 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Mad Dawgg
Only when they are federalized. Otherwise they are controlled by the States.

It requires an order from the President to federalize national guard.

/johnny

50 posted on 07/28/2014 4:47:27 AM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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