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Gangs, guns and Judas Priest: the secret history of a US-inflicted border crisis
The Guardian ^ | July 23, 2014 06:00 | Michael Paarlberg

Posted on 07/26/2014 7:20:36 PM PDT by blueplum

Visiting El Salvador over the past year, it was hard not to think the country's number-one job is standing around outside with a gun. In the region from which child migrants are fleeing to the US, personal security is largely a question of what you can afford to pay. El Salvador has, by one estimate, 25,000 private guards in a country with 20,000 police officers. In Honduras, which boasts the highest murder rate in the world and has seen the largest exodus of young people to the American border this year, guards outnumber cops five to one.

Wealthy Salvadorans can retreat to residential compounds that resemble a militarized version of a Palm Beach retirement community, complete with golf carts. Behind high walls and even higher voltage wires, one economist gushed to me: "This place has everything – we never have to go outside!" For the rest, those who stay and those who get sent back, gangland drama is a fact of life.

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Both major gangs now plaguing the region originated in Los Angeles. The gang that became MS-13 was originally an informal collection of teenage civil war refugees and metal-heads who borrowed their devil-horns hand sign from Judas Priest. Their onetime ally-turned-rival, Mara 18, traces back to the 1940s but shared with the newer gang an open-door membership for Central Americans that put them both at odds with the area's more established, exclusively Mexican gangs. When those gangs began to terrorize the new immigrants, MS-13 and Mara 18 fought back.

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During El Salvador's recent presidential elections, the opposition party posted billboards in regions from which the largest number of migrants are leaving. Under pictures of Salvadoran families in DC, California and New York read lines like I WANT TO RETURN TO A COUNTRY FREE OF GANGS...

(Excerpt) Read more at theguardian.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: centralamerica; gangs; illegalaliens; ms13
cool title, twisted logic, since I'm pretty sure the original Mexican gangs came to the USA as existing gangs already, but I was most interested in that last paragraph about the billboards...?
1 posted on 07/26/2014 7:20:36 PM PDT by blueplum
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2 posted on 07/26/2014 7:23:56 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: blueplum

The Guardian toes the liberal line as usual.


3 posted on 07/26/2014 7:24:16 PM PDT by jiggyboy
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To: blueplum

“Both major gangs now plaguing the region originated in Los Angeles.”

http://www.johnspeedie.com/healy/crap.wav


4 posted on 07/26/2014 7:25:54 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: blueplum

That’s certainly not the history of MS13 I remember from 20 or so years back.


5 posted on 07/26/2014 7:36:52 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: blueplum

I remember a 60 minutes expose about MS13 from better than 20 years ago. It was a long time ago but I’m pretty sure MS13 started as El Salvadoran guerrilla fighters. When the war ended, they turned to extortion, murder and terror.

They did things like stopping a bus on a country road and killing all but one person to take a message to the surrounding villages that MS13 was in control.


6 posted on 07/26/2014 7:46:34 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: jiggyboy

I agree. I almost put a [Barf] tag on the title, but I didn’t want folks to pass it up for that and miss the billboards reference.


7 posted on 07/26/2014 7:48:25 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: blueplum

Plus there’s the fact that Judas Priest was white boy metal and Rob Halford has always been a flaming homosexual.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L397TWLwrUU


8 posted on 07/26/2014 7:57:20 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Travis McGee

Did you ever consider that same fence can be used to keep you in? The proper solution is to stop the dual demand side of employers seeking to hire and governments seeking to provide benefits to illegal immigrants.


9 posted on 07/26/2014 7:58:52 PM PDT by fso301
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To: cripplecreek

I don’t know much about the Mexican ‘mara’ gang either. Or even if the Judas Priest reference is correct! El Salvadorian metal heads? whod’a thunk?


10 posted on 07/26/2014 8:08:40 PM PDT by blueplum
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Did you ever consider that same fence can be used to keep you in?

I'll take my chances.
11 posted on 07/26/2014 8:09:20 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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Every latin American gang I’ve ever seen was big on the whole latin identity/separatist crap and wouldn’t be caught dead listening to gringo music.


12 posted on 07/26/2014 8:17:07 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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stupid author......blame the US is always the lefts go to argument. The fact that corruption and generations of thugocracies ruining countries is never mentioned. They are not free. There is no liberty in these third world countries. Unfortunately the left in this country thought that if they threw money at them, these countries would use it to improve the lives of their citizens. It NEVER happened and NEVER will


13 posted on 07/26/2014 8:26:04 PM PDT by Nifster
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we throw money at them, they want more.
They have a drug problem and poverty problem, we go spend millions fighting the drug war and in USAID, and they hate us anyway
We export criminals who aren’t here legally, and the left complains we are too harsh (and note how they stick ‘drunk driving’ with petty theft, as if it’s no big deal):
“a law that ratcheted up deportations of immigrants with criminal records – including legal residents – by making things like drunk driving and petty theft deportable offenses”
as if drunk driving and theft aren’t deportable offenses in their own countries


14 posted on 07/26/2014 8:50:49 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: cripplecreek

I guess MS-13 is Hell Bent for Leather.


15 posted on 07/26/2014 8:52:47 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: blueplum

true words


16 posted on 07/26/2014 9:03:49 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: fso301

Hence gates were invented multiple mellenia ago.


17 posted on 07/26/2014 9:04:31 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: cripplecreek; fso301
Re: Did you ever consider that same fence can be used to keep you in?

fso301 and the "cripple" both make good points; but in a pinch, I'd fly you over the fence! Really, if it came to it, ways could be found. Remember. if we built the fence it would be indicitive of sound leadership.

18 posted on 07/26/2014 9:05:16 PM PDT by Ace's Dad (Proud grandpa of a "Brit Chick" named Poppy Loucks (Call sign "Popsickle")
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To: fso301

Sure it occurred to me. But I’m not fleeing from my government. If it turns tyrant, I and millions of others plan to TAKE THEM OUT. By force, if it comes to that.

I don’t plan to run away, if things get rough. Do you?

If anything, it will be handy to trap our traitors against that fence, when it’s time to round them up and take care of them once and for all.


19 posted on 07/26/2014 9:18:11 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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See 19.


20 posted on 07/26/2014 9:19:02 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: blueplum
Very good LINK from a border patrol agent who is very aware of and discusses this issue...
21 posted on 07/26/2014 9:57:40 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: fso301

Not my biggest concern right now. When it is actually used to keep us in it will probably work like the one we have now. Nothing the government does works.


22 posted on 07/26/2014 10:27:04 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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Petty theft is only petty to the people who aren't victims of petty theft. Lots of people need the goods and money petty thieves steel.

Drunk driving is a serious criminal offense. It leads to thousands of deaths a year. A citizen caught drunk driving is often imprisoned and fined heavily losing his driving privileges and freedom. deportation is in order for an alien convicted of such an offense.

23 posted on 07/26/2014 10:30:45 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: dfwgator

Breakin’ The Law!


24 posted on 07/26/2014 10:52:55 PM PDT by Free in Texas (Member of the Bitter Clingers Association.)
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To: blueplum

Steaming pile alert.


25 posted on 07/26/2014 11:03:33 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where?)
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To: Travis McGee

Your comments are very valid; I was thinking only in tactile needs i.e., the situation demanding attacking something on the other side of the border, for instance. You make a good point.


26 posted on 07/27/2014 2:39:50 AM PDT by Ace's Dad (Proud grandpa of a "Brit Chick" named Poppy Loucks (Call sign "Popsickle").)
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