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US intel official warns against toppling Hamas
Times of Israel ^ | 7/27/2014 | Lazar Berman

Posted on 07/27/2014 2:41:29 AM PDT by markomalley

Speaking at a high-level security conference in Aspen, Colorado, outgoing US Defense Intelligence Agency head Michael Flynn warned against the dangers of toppling Hamas, saying what may replace the Islamist group could be even worse.

“If Hamas were destroyed and gone, we would probably end up with something much worse. The region would end up with something much worse,” Flynn, a lieutenant general, told the conference Saturday, according to Reuters.

He warned that with Hamas out of the picture, the Islamic State, or something like the brutal Islamist group ruling over parts of Syria and Iraq, could take its place.

Flynn also said that he was pessimistic about the Middle East’s future. “Is there going to be a peace in the Middle East? Not in my lifetime,” he said.

In June, Egypt arrested 15 men it said belonged to the Islamic State as they crossed from Rafah into the Sinai Peninsula. In addition, videos have emerged on YouTube showing masked men pledging allegiance to IS and firing rockets at Israel.

Hamas denies the presence of IS members in the Gaza Strip.

The number of Palestinians killed reached 1,047 in 19 days of fighting, while more than 6,000 wounded, Hamas health officials said. Forty-three Israeli soldiers and three civilians have also been killed.


TOPICS: Egypt; Extended News; Government; Israel; Russia; Syria; US: Colorado; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aspen; colorado; dhimmitude; egypt; gaza; hamas; iran; israel; jordan; lebanon; michaelflynn; rop; russia; sinai; syria; turkey; ukraine; waronterror; wot
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This dhimmi was running DIA?
1 posted on 07/27/2014 2:41:30 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley
Not stemming ISIS when they were weak in Syria and again in Iraq was done on purpose by our regime since they are Sunni/MB sympathizers as well.
2 posted on 07/27/2014 2:50:49 AM PDT by rodguy911 (FreeRepI guess it does public:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: markomalley
Yeah, like I'm going to listen to the folks who lost the entire Middle East...
Israel knock out the HAMAS HQ under Al-Shifa (sp?) hospital with a bunker buster.
Then hunt down all junior HAMAS people.
Then if ISIS or the Salafists rise to power, kill them too.
If somebody rises in place of them, kill those son's of dogs as well.
3 posted on 07/27/2014 2:55:56 AM PDT by Netz
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To: markomalley

Not that my opinion matters to Israel, but I’d be willing to risk it.


4 posted on 07/27/2014 2:57:40 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: markomalley
>"what may replace the Islamist group could be even worse. "

Fine! Send them to satanallah too!

5 posted on 07/27/2014 3:14:11 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: markomalley
“Is there going to be a peace in the Middle East? Not in my lifetime,” he said.

That is about the only thing I agree with him on. I know a lot of people agree with me. The only good communist/jihadist, is a dead one.

6 posted on 07/27/2014 3:17:35 AM PDT by Mark17 (Obama & Nero? Both Emperors. The difference is Nero plays a fiddle, while Obama plays Minnesota Fats)
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To: markomalley
Best source I've found, so far, on IDF and Hamas activity in Gaza...IDF Blog
7 posted on 07/27/2014 3:18:50 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: markomalley

Michael Flynn is partially correct. If we merely remove the evil spirit from the Palestinians and do not heal the wound, seven more even worse may come and occupy the space.. i.e. Putin.

The key here is to remove the evil spirit and heal the wound (Remove Hamas). Then heal the wound. The only way the wound will be healed is to start at the base level with the young and re-educate with peace. Establish law & order first, then establish good schools, and then the healing will follow.

Many great countries were formed by being taken over by force. People were given the opportunity to be educated and grow to be productive. And like teenagers with their parents, the people rebelled against their conqueror and fought for the freedom which they valued.

This is why Iraq failed. You can never take people who are in a dictatorship and give them freedom. You must provide them the opportunity to grow and to want it for themselves. Otherwise you only create an “Animal Farm” scenario. That’s what we have created.


8 posted on 07/27/2014 3:39:57 AM PDT by tired&retired
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To: markomalley
He's correct. We may end up with an organization that calls for the destruction of Israel in their charter.

Oh, wait.........

9 posted on 07/27/2014 4:03:46 AM PDT by edpc (Wilby 2016)
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To: Tainan

Interestijg blog. Thank you.


10 posted on 07/27/2014 4:04:04 AM PDT by Piranha (Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have - Saul Alinsky)
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To: markomalley

Worse than abjectly insane? (Where’s the ‘yeah,right’ girl when you need her??


11 posted on 07/27/2014 4:04:38 AM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: markomalley

The US is doing more that endorsing Hamas’s continued rule over Gaza. israel Matzav (http://www.israelmatzav.blogspot.com), which is run by a US corporate attorney who moved to Israel decades ago, is questioning whether Hamas will use a portion of the $47 million that John Kerry pledged for Gaza reconstruction to procure missiles from North Korea.

Everything has changed about this war since late last week. Israel found that Hamas intended to use the terror tunnels to conduct a massive mission against multiple communities on Rosh Hashana, killing, injuring and kidnapping as many people as they could at a time and seizing control of those communities on kne of the holiest days of the Jewish calendar.

Israel’s security cabinet, in a previously unheard-of move, unanimously rejected Kerry’s cease-fire proposal, with unofficial Israeli sources reporting that it matched Hamas’s wish list and would replace Egypt as a monitor with Hamas’s allies Turkey and Qatar.

Even the Palestinian Authority has been complaining about Kerry’s efforts, seeing them as a way to strip authority from that organization and give it to Turkey and Qatar, Hamas’s allies.

A growing consensus is emerging in Israel to continue to expand the operation, occupy Gaza and wipe out Hamas once and for all. The government has not endorsed that position yet, but more people within and without thengovernment are supporting it and there have been no responsoble voices in Israel opposing it.

Meanwhile, sadly, the IDF death toll has been reported at 42 or 43 as of this writing.


12 posted on 07/27/2014 4:14:57 AM PDT by Piranha (Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have - Saul Alinsky)
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To: markomalley

A govt security conference in Aspen.

Seriously?


13 posted on 07/27/2014 4:31:41 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: markomalley

Hudson: Let’s just bug out and call it even! What are we even talking about this for?
Ripley: I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.
Hudson: F—kin’ A!
Burke: Hold on a second. This installation has a substantial dollar value attached to it.
Ripley: They can bill me.


14 posted on 07/27/2014 4:33:51 AM PDT by BlueStateRightist (Government is best which governs least.)
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To: markomalley

Do the Islamonazis EVEN HAVE ANY ENEMIES over here???

ANYBODY willing to fight?

Anybody not BOUGHT OFF??


15 posted on 07/27/2014 4:56:04 AM PDT by Flintlock (Deport them ALLLL!)
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To: Netz

0 is getting worried that his boys will get taken out and a caliphate will not be declared as planned. Soros is not pleased with this news


16 posted on 07/27/2014 4:56:46 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: jsanders2001

Is there a connection between the Caliphate and BHO’s Nobel Peace Prize?


17 posted on 07/27/2014 4:59:36 AM PDT by Netz
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To: markomalley

So, Hamas is too big to fail, eh? [/s]

How about the possibility of replacing Hamas with something better?


18 posted on 07/27/2014 5:00:45 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: markomalley

This from the braniacs that presided over the overthrow of dictators in Iraq & Libya to see those overrun with terrorists for those bordering countries to deal with, telling Israel how to manage its affairs.

‘Outgoing’ is good, but he’s only ‘1’...

There’s a lesson in there as well about Russia/Ukraine & US/Mexico, but I’m not getting into it.


19 posted on 07/27/2014 5:02:55 AM PDT by logi_cal869
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20 posted on 07/27/2014 5:03:18 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: markomalley

oh my....can you imagine if ISLAM was eradicated from the world....then everyone would actually true peace - equality - and education flourish!

but if saving little man Hamas is such a great concern...then many more innocent lives will be allowed to suffer under Islam!


21 posted on 07/27/2014 5:10:57 AM PDT by BCW (Amazon Books: "Babylon's Covert War" - the Iraq conflict explained in detail - by JH White)
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To: markomalley

The slope of the killed curve should be increased to at least 100 per day. A mere 55 per day is not going to get the job done before the cease fire whiners get their way.


22 posted on 07/27/2014 5:13:21 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12 ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: Tainan

ping the blog (IDF SITREPS)


23 posted on 07/27/2014 5:13:37 AM PDT by BCW (Amazon Books: "Babylon's Covert War" - the Iraq conflict explained in detail - by JH White)
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To: markomalley

“If Hamas were destroyed and gone, we would probably end up with something much worse. The region would end up with something much worse,” Flynn, a lieutenant general,”

So, wipe them out too, and the next one and so on.


24 posted on 07/27/2014 5:13:54 AM PDT by Slambat
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To: markomalley

Bottom line: The Palestinians are the problem.


25 posted on 07/27/2014 5:16:31 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Tainan
From the blog...very informative

Sunday, July 27

10:12 AM: Due to Hamas’ incessant rocket fire during the humanitarian window, we are renewing our aerial, naval and ground activity in Gaza.

8:30 AM: 7 rockets were fired from Gaza. Iron Dome intercepted 2 and 5 hit southern Israel.

7:20 AM: Sgt. First Class (res.) Barak Refael Degorker, 27, was killed overnight by mortar fire from Gaza. May his memory be a blessing.

6:38 AM: Since midnight, 3 rockets fired from Gaza hit southern Israel.

2:10 AM: Hamas has fired more than 2,450 rockets at Israel since Operation Protective Edge began.

12:27 AM: Cpt. Liad Lavi, 22 and Chief Warrant Officer Rami Chalon, 39, both injured in battle, died of their wounds today. May their memory be blessed.

Earlier today, a car at the Beitar checkpoint, near Jerusalem, refused to stop. We searched it & found explosives, gas tanks & a switch.

— IDF (@IDFSpokesperson) July 27, 2014

26 posted on 07/27/2014 5:27:38 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: markomalley

bfl


27 posted on 07/27/2014 5:32:17 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: markomalley
Notice he said “probably”.

Gaza is run by Hamas - muslim terrorists. The US is in a declared war against terrorism.

Yet, by this government bureaucrat, we should not destroy a terrorist group for fear that another, much worse terrorist group MIGHT gain control?

Wouldn't that “logic” apply equally to ALL terrorist groups, al-Qaeda, Boko Haram, etc., meaning we should never kill a terrorist to avoid what MIGHT come after? Never stand up to a bully nor confront a criminal for fear they MIGHT hit back? Same wrongheaded thinking.

The reason ISIS is such a terrible terrorist group, one to be feared, is that Obama refuses to do anything about it. An air campaign could quickly reduce ISIS to smoking corpses in both Iraq & Syria, just as we did to Saddam's forces.

And how is one group of murderous terrorists to be feared far more than another? Are Hamas' many victims somehow less horrific than those of ISIS? Does anyone doubt that Hamas would kill every last Israeli, just as ISIS is murdering Christians?

How did this coward get into the military?

28 posted on 07/27/2014 5:33:19 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: markomalley

I’ll rely on Israel’s intelligence to make the right choice. I don’t trust ours in this case.


29 posted on 07/27/2014 5:37:01 AM PDT by McGruff (We can't even secure our border never mind Ukraine's.)
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To: rodguy911
Not stemming ISIS when they were weak in Syria and again in Iraq was done on purpose by our regime since they are Sunni/MB sympathizers as well.

You're on to it. The Mahdi got into Harvard Law and had his education there paid for by the Saudis, who are Sunnis and Whabists, from whence comes the Muslim Brotherhood and all the evil it has wrought. Note how careful he is to keep all his academic records concealed, especially including the financial records and records of how he got into each of the educational institutions he attended.

30 posted on 07/27/2014 5:43:50 AM PDT by libstripper
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>> saying what may replace the Islamist group could be even worse.

Such as ISIS that’s been permitted to flourish?


31 posted on 07/27/2014 5:45:51 AM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: markomalley
“If Hamas were destroyed and gone, we would probably end up with something much worse.

Then Hamas has won. The have conquered. It will be a mopping up action from here on.

No. It is a matter of resolve.

32 posted on 07/27/2014 6:46:15 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (The next DNC convention will be spoken in Spanish; Press 1 for English)
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To: markomalley

I imagine some hand-wringer in WWII probably said something similar -

“we can’t get rid of Hitler and the Nazis, because something worse will just take their place”


33 posted on 07/27/2014 6:58:06 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: canuck_conservative

Hell isn’t full yet by no means! Destroy em all now, leave no stone unturned!


34 posted on 07/27/2014 7:06:02 AM PDT by DocJhn
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To: markomalley

This is as shortsighted as allowing ISIS to have a permanent state, or Jimmy Carter’s allowing the mad mullahs of Iran to come to power and to stay there. We should not be the world’s policeman, but we also must not allow freedom’s enemies to succeed in their unrelenting fight against free and open societies. Obama can be a patsy on his own time, but he should not be one as the president of the USA.


35 posted on 07/27/2014 7:12:45 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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Could be, but that's Israel's decision. Besides, I though this was the Arab spring, new governments are a good thing.

36 posted on 07/27/2014 7:14:25 AM PDT by SJackson (government tampers with a freedom so fundamental, one shudders to think what lies ahead. Card Dolan)
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To: Netz

This ‘intel’ quisling was in favor of the Arab Spring, right.

Little purple fingers showing us the common people had voted? Yeah, that worked... Thanks US ‘intelligence’...score one for the idiot team.

Benjamin Netanyahu knows what’s best for Israel. He’ll do just fine without our lame advice.

If Cuba was lobbing missiles into Miami this “US intel Official” would NOT be suggesting we learn to put up with the deaths because the next group might be worse... What an effing idiot.

Bullsh*t. Total bullsh*t.


37 posted on 07/27/2014 7:21:48 AM PDT by GOPJ (To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize-Voltaire)
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To: markomalley

If you need to get rid of Hamas, make a plan to replace Hamas, and have a backup.

Off the cuff, I’d say that Fatah would be easiest replacement option, and Israeli administration could be the backup.

I any event, Gaza should be demilitarized, open to intelligence monitoring, and the media and education should be subject to censorship of hate speech, while new political entities are allowed to form. The political part may not bear much fruit for a decade or a generation, but security would be immensely better.


38 posted on 07/27/2014 9:28:15 AM PDT by BeauBo
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To: markomalley

Kill Muslims, then this will not be an issue. Return them to colonial status. At least destroy the virulent strain...


39 posted on 07/27/2014 9:56:49 AM PDT by WriteOn (Truth)
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To: markomalley; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ..

> Flynn disparaged Hamas for exhausting finite resources and know-how to build tunnels that have helped them inflict record casualties on Israelis.

( http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Destroy-Hamas-Something-worse-would-follow-Pentagon-intel-chief-says-369030 )

IOW, he’s either carrying water for them — look, they used up a lot of resources to build tunnels which, okay, yes, helped them inflict record casualties, but they still are getting the brunt of the war — or, he’s bucking for a job as a military adviser to Hamas, to show them how to be more effective.

The destruction of Hamas could only lead to something worse if that something worse had nuclear weapons, IOW, Iran.


40 posted on 07/27/2014 12:47:05 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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some stuff about him:

Head of Pentagon intelligence agency forced out, officials say
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/head-of-pentagon-intelligence-agency-forced-out-officials-say/2014/04/30/ec15a366-d09d-11e3-9e25-188ebe1fa93b_story.html

Transcript: Interview With Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn
http://www.npr.org/2014/03/07/287037148/transcript-interview-with-lt-gen-michael-flynn

http://www.dia.mil/About/Leadership/ArticleView/tabid/3982/Article/6952/lieutenant-general-michael-t-flynn-usa.aspx

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_T._Flynn


41 posted on 07/27/2014 12:50:22 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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> In June, Egypt arrested 15 men it said belonged to the Islamic State as they crossed from Rafah into the Sinai Peninsula. In addition, videos have emerged on YouTube showing masked men pledging allegiance to IS and firing rockets at Israel. Hamas denies the presence of IS members in the Gaza Strip.


42 posted on 07/27/2014 12:52:36 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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OI hope the gen flynn isn’t representative of Clown Prince nobama’s military leadership.


43 posted on 07/27/2014 12:55:17 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: SunkenCiv

I hope the gen flynn isn’t representative of Clown Prince nobama’s military leadership.


44 posted on 07/27/2014 12:55:26 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: TalBlack

Random rocket attacks vs heads on pikes & forced clitorectomies.

ISIS was too batshit crazy evil even for Al Quaida.
ISIS is so evil you’d rather have Hamas in charge.


45 posted on 07/27/2014 1:00:53 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun" - Obama, setting RoE with his opposition)
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To: markomalley

“He warned that with Hamas out of the picture, the Islamic State, or something like the brutal Islamist group ruling over parts of Syria and Iraq, could take its place.”

Sure. And if you don’t put a coat on when it rains, you could catch your death of a cold.

Get rid of Hamas. Do not allow any other nutbags to take their place. Allow local, demilitarized autonomy, but keep holding what happened to Hamas up as an object lesson in what happens to people who are determined to piss us off.


46 posted on 07/27/2014 2:18:39 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: rodguy911

“The number of Palestinians killed reached 1,047 in 19 days of fighting, while more than 6,000 wounded, Hamas health officials said. Forty-three Israeli soldiers and three civilians have also been killed.”

Note that there is no breakdown of how many Palis killed/wounded were combatants vs. civilians, and that all that are counted are Israeli killed, not wounded, but with the breakdown.


47 posted on 07/27/2014 2:21:08 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: hal ogen

Hamas has started to lose its grip on the “hearts and minds” of Gaza, and Kerry is all-in with the Hamas demands regarding a ceasefire — so naturally, the answer is yes.


48 posted on 07/27/2014 2:27:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: ctdonath2

How about random rocket attacks and mass murder of dissenters (2007) vs. a humane but tough occupation, and the return of Gush Khatif exiles to their homes, the strip to slowly morph into assimilation into the State of Israel over several decades. Those that don’t like it can leave. Those that do can thrive and participate. Or, in the alternative, give it to Egypt and let them have the headache.


49 posted on 07/27/2014 2:41:47 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: markomalley

There always has to be an enemy so there can be large funds to the DIA.


50 posted on 07/27/2014 2:47:12 PM PDT by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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