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What happened? The day Flight 17 was downed
WSLS ^ | July 25, 2014 | YURAS KARMANAU and PETER LEONARD Associated Press

Posted on 07/27/2014 5:55:27 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

Even before the plane was downed, the AP had reported on the presence of the missile launcher in the town July 17.

AP journalists saw the Buk moving through town at 1:05 p.m.....

About three hours later, at 4:18 p.m.... the Buk's crew snapped to attention when a spotter called in a report of an incoming airplane.

"A bird is flying to you," the spotter tells the rebel, identified by the Ukrainians as Igor Bezler, an insurgent commander who ... is also a Russian intelligence officer.

The man identified as Bezler responds: "Reconnaissance plane or a big one?"

"I can't see behind the clouds. Too high," the spotter replies.

The rebel official who spoke to the AP about the incident said that Bezler commanded another fighter, code-named Sapper, who was the ranking rebel officer with the missile launcher at the time.

According to the rebel official, Sapper led a rebel unit, about half of which was made up of men from far eastern Russia ....

Sapper is from the nearby town of Yenakiieve, he said. The town also happens to be the home of the former president, Yanukovych.

Sapper could not be reached for comment ...

At about 4:20 p.m., in the town of Torez, six miles (10 kilometers) west of Snizhne, residents heard loud noises. Some reported hearing two blasts ....

At 4:40 p.m., in another intercepted call released by Ukraine, the man identified as Bezler tells his own superior that the unit had shot down a plane.

"Just shot down a plane. It was Sapper's group. It went down beyond Yenakiieve," the man says....

As for the Buk, Nayda said, intelligence suggests it went back on the move shortly after the attack.

That very night, he said, it crossed the border, back into Russia.

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(Excerpt) Read more at wsls.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: mh17
Has anyone seen Sapper lately???
1 posted on 07/27/2014 5:55:27 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

did Emperor Obama draw a red line in Ukraine?


2 posted on 07/27/2014 6:20:54 AM PDT by armydawg505
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Police visit to MH17 disaster site canceled

While it was not immediately clear where precisely clashes had broken out, a Ukrainian defense official said Sunday that government forces are now undertaking efforts to clear the areas around the Boeing 777 crash site from separatist rebels....

“This is a risky mission. There’s no doubt about that,” Abbott told reporters. “But all the professional advice that I have is that the safest way to conduct it is unarmed, as part of a police-led humanitarian mission,”...

The Malaysia Airlines disaster prompted some expectations in the West that Russia would scale back its involvement in the uprising in Ukraine’s east, but the opposite seems to be the case.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap/article-2707251/Police-visit-MH17-disaster-site-canceled.html


3 posted on 07/27/2014 6:57:50 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

It cannot be true. Only Putin tells the truth.//Sarcasm off.


4 posted on 07/27/2014 7:00:08 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: Uncle Chip
... the AP had reported on the presence of the missile launcher in the town July 17.

I hadn't seen that.

Now we KNOW that Barry knew there was at least one missile launcher there.

</sarc>

5 posted on 07/27/2014 7:27:31 AM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: Uncle Chip
So you are willing to go to war based upon one video spliced together by the Ukrainian government. Maybe with the CIA's assistance. As of yet I've not heard anybody has verified this tape.

There are two sides to every story. The Russian have put forth their case here. 10 more questions Russian military pose to Ukraine, US over MH17 crash. Just so you know it's a Russian Newspaper site.

Like TWA Flight 800 I don't think this is going to get resolved anytime soon.

6 posted on 07/27/2014 8:07:05 AM PDT by McGruff (We can't even secure our border never mind Ukraine's.)
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To: McGruff

Is that you, Sapper???


7 posted on 07/27/2014 8:09:50 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

That’s all you can come up with are personal insults?


8 posted on 07/27/2014 8:20:15 AM PDT by McGruff (We can't even secure our border never mind Ukraine's.)
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To: McGruff

I thought it was a compliment — for you atleast.


9 posted on 07/27/2014 8:22:03 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Russian military and Russian terrorists under Putin’s orders shot down MH-17 carrying 298 civilians, whether it was mistaken for a Ukrainian transport plane or not means squat.


10 posted on 07/27/2014 8:23:42 AM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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This part of the article is quite telling:

"I can't see behind the clouds. Too high," the spotter replies to Belzer.

It was too high to be a military plane but he shot it down anyway with callous disregard for human life.

11 posted on 07/27/2014 8:28:44 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Good catch!


12 posted on 07/27/2014 10:56:41 AM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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