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Fighting Halts Police Visit To MH17 Site
Sky News ^ | 7-27-2014 | Sky

Posted on 07/27/2014 7:15:55 AM PDT by tcrlaf

Plans for a team of unarmed Dutch and Australian police officers to visit the site of the Malaysia Airlines plane disaster have been cancelled.

Fighting around the site of the airliner downed in eastern Ukraine prevented the visit.

The vast crash scene, which covers 20 square miles, mostly fields, is currently controlled by pro-Russian separatists who are battling Ukrainian government forces in a months-long conflict.

A Ukrainian defence official said his troops were trying to clear the areas around the site near the village of Grabovo from rebels.

There was reportedly fighting at several locations, including near the town of Debaltseve, 15 miles north-west of the crash scene.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.sky.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: civilwar; mh17; newsfromthekremlin; russianukrainianwar; ukraine
Well... Kiev isn't honoring their own self-declared MH17 "Safe-Zone". Knew that was coming....

The Crash site area is smack in the middle of the Rebel-held corridor to the Russian Border, that Kiev needs to open to save the three trapped brigades in the South Pocket.

1 posted on 07/27/2014 7:15:55 AM PDT by tcrlaf
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To: tcrlaf

Tweets from Dutch BNO reporter Michael van Poppel

“heavy clashes in Torez, near MH17 site. “It appears the Ukrainian army has begun a large offensive””

“Dutch government: Team of 30 forensic experts unable to reach MH17 site due to fighting in the area. Team now in Donetsk”

https://twitter.com/mpoppel


2 posted on 07/27/2014 7:19:10 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

The best way to protect civilian airlines is to destroy the terrorist who shoot at them. I hope they’re all dead soon, which should give some closure to the victims of Putin’s proxies. No doubt Putinistas will pray for Putin and his henchmen who have brought so much suffering to that part of the world, but their prayers will go unanswered.


3 posted on 07/27/2014 7:35:48 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: tcrlaf
If the Israelis and Palestinians came do a ceasefire why can't these two sides. Seems like it's a mad rush to the crime scene. Wonder why? Hmm...
4 posted on 07/27/2014 7:37:54 AM PDT by McGruff (We can't even secure our border never mind Ukraine's.)
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To: tcrlaf
I saw a report the other day either on the BBC or Deutche Welle (can't recall which) of very recent evidence of anti aircraft missiles being fires *from Russian territory*.
5 posted on 07/27/2014 7:45:32 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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To: McGruff
If the Israelis and Palestinians came do a ceasefire why can't these two sides.

Because the Russian savages have nukes and advanced fighter jets while the moslem savages don't.At least not yet.

6 posted on 07/27/2014 7:47:23 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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To: tcrlaf

KIEV? Who are the bastards who are trying to unfree a nation and are shooting down aircraft, backed by an evil man who happens to lead the evil empire?!


7 posted on 07/27/2014 7:53:00 AM PDT by felixandbowinkle (let irritations pass and become truly happy and strong..fhu.com!)
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To: tcrlaf; All

Somehow, I just knew the usual suspects would have the usual comments about this.

No discussion at all of Kiev violating their own declared “Cease-fire” zone around the downed MH-17, that the media made such a big deal of, just more hate.


8 posted on 07/27/2014 7:56:10 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

Usual comments beget more usual comments.


9 posted on 07/27/2014 7:59:33 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: tcrlaf
Kiev is doing all it can to delay & obfuscate the investigation.

No surprise here.

10 posted on 07/27/2014 7:59:37 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: tcrlaf
Did you miss this part:

A Ukrainian defence official said his troops were trying to clear the areas around the site near the village of Grabovo from rebels.

The rebels were the ones who shot the plane down and have for the last 10 days been keeping international officials from the shootdown site.

11 posted on 07/27/2014 8:09:05 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: tcrlaf

Let’s see why would it be a good thing to get the terrorists who shot down MH-17 out of crash site area...hmmmmm?


12 posted on 07/27/2014 8:09:46 AM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Funny thing about that. International observers have been all over the site for two days.

Not a WORD from you about Kiev violating it’s own declared “Ceasefire”, though. You aren’t a hypocrite, are you?

And still no intellectual curiosity from you about why the African crash ATC tapes were released within 24 hours of the crash, but the MH17 ones STILL haven’t been. I wonder why?


13 posted on 07/27/2014 8:13:40 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf

Here is an article that we would like Sapper to comment on:

What happened? The day Flight 17 was downed

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3185603/posts


14 posted on 07/27/2014 8:14:44 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: McGruff

Why were the police called in?

Were there a bunch of pet dogs running around the plane?


15 posted on 07/27/2014 8:16:23 AM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: free_life

“Let’s see why would it be a good thing to get the terrorists who shot down MH-17 out of crash site area...hmmmmm?”

Because Kiev has thousands of troops trapped in the South Pocket that are being eliminated, and they are trying to cut off Donetsk?

So, you are admitting that the Kiev declared “Cease-fire” was just a lie designed to gain a tactical advantage, right?
If you recall, I asked at the time they declared it, if they would actually honor it.

Again, I get proven correct by events.


16 posted on 07/27/2014 8:20:30 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf
Funny thing about that. International observers have been all over the site for two days.

Really --

The Malaysians say that the rebels have only given their investigators access for only 3 hours a day and only 3 days last week and they have only seen 1 other investigator.

They are calling for 30 investigators for atleast a week to cover the site just look for the body parts that the rebels are moving around.

But you knew that, right???

17 posted on 07/27/2014 8:21:21 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: mac_truck

Is that you, Igor???


18 posted on 07/27/2014 8:24:32 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: tcrlaf; McGruff

I didn’t see anything that you are yapping about in the article.

Perhaps you have it confused with Russia Today or The Voice of Russia or one of McGruff’s posts —


19 posted on 07/27/2014 8:31:34 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: tcrlaf
So, you are admitting that the Kiev declared “Cease-fire” was just a lie designed to gain a tactical advantage, right?

It takes two and in this case three to have a cease fire -- the third in this case being the Russian troops firing on Ukrainian forces during the cease fire from across the border.

But you knew that, right???

20 posted on 07/27/2014 8:39:04 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: tcrlaf

you are simply a liar..


21 posted on 07/27/2014 8:47:34 AM PDT by felixandbowinkle (let irritations pass and become truly happy and strong..fhu.com!)
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To: tcrlaf

Putin/thug sympathizer...wow.


22 posted on 07/27/2014 8:47:34 AM PDT by felixandbowinkle (let irritations pass and become truly happy and strong..fhu.com!)
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To: tcrlaf
FTA:

But the separatists deny any involvement in the downed jet.

So are the separatists lying here or not???

Are these the same lying separatists who said that the would keep the ceasefire and allow international officials access to the shootdown site???

It appears that the only way that they will get unimpeded access to the shootdown site is when the separatists are finally driven out of Donetsk and Kiev takes control of that site.

But you know that, right???

23 posted on 07/27/2014 8:56:54 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: felixandbowinkle

Lol...Felix and Bowinkle?

Are you getting paid in hryvnia or zloty?


24 posted on 07/27/2014 9:09:11 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: felixandbowinkle

Born on July 17th, 2014..

Hello newbie.


25 posted on 07/27/2014 9:30:34 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: tcrlaf
The reports are the rebels never even stopped during cease fire.

Again, I get proven correct by events.

That is what FSB code for, "more propaganda at 11"? Again you side with Russia and against America.

26 posted on 07/27/2014 11:02:04 AM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: tcrlaf

And yet at such a young age he already has you pegged as a liar!


27 posted on 07/27/2014 11:04:25 AM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
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To: mac_truck

I don’t know..which ever pays more...


28 posted on 07/28/2014 4:50:42 AM PDT by felixandbowinkle (let irritations pass and become truly happy and strong..fhu.com!)
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To: felixandbowinkle

Welcome to this discussion. If your going to participate you better have your facts straight because some of us aren’t going to put up with White House basement spin.

The ones who are fighting for their freedom and the separatist. The current Ukrainian regime is doing everything they can to stop them and have no problems killing civilians to put down this revolt.


29 posted on 07/28/2014 4:58:37 AM PDT by McGruff (If you repeat a lie enough times theuniformed will accept it as the truth.)
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To: All

#MH17 crash investigators turn back amid ‘explosions’ - Dutch govt

Why can’t they have a cease fire until this site is investigated. What’s the rush?


30 posted on 07/28/2014 5:12:20 AM PDT by McGruff (If you repeat a lie enough times theuniformed will accept it as the truth.)
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#Ukraine clashes intensify as police team abandons second attempt to inspect #MH17 crash site: http://fxn.ws/1oAavqS


31 posted on 07/28/2014 5:13:26 AM PDT by McGruff (If you repeat a lie enough times theuniformed will accept it as the truth.)
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To: McGruff

oh please..you are so full of it. The “separatists” are Putins thugs. period. Ukrainians were tired of the corruption so they peacefully revolted, because murdered in the streets by Putin’s snipers. Great honest. And don’t use Whitehouse and me in the same sentence. THank you.


32 posted on 07/28/2014 9:05:22 AM PDT by felixandbowinkle (let irritations pass and become truly happy and strong..fhu.com!)
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To: felixandbowinkle

How much did they pay you to sign up here?


33 posted on 07/28/2014 9:44:26 AM PDT by McGruff (If you repeat a lie enough times theuniformed will accept it as the truth.)
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To: caww
Is nothing sacred?


34 posted on 07/28/2014 9:51:52 AM PDT by McGruff (If you repeat a lie enough times theuniformed will accept it as the truth.)
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To: felixandbowinkle

Oh good grief!....Anti-Kiev fighters are simply protecting their communities from the onslaught of Kiev’s relentless ‘air’ bombings.....of course they’ll shoot Kiev’s aircraft down. What would you expect in a civil war that has assistance from outside and inside sources on both sides?

Simply put... It’s a war!...war zone = a ‘combat’ zone where military operations are coordinated.


35 posted on 07/28/2014 10:09:29 AM PDT by caww
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To: tcrlaf
....”Kiev isn't honoring their own self-declared MH17 “Safe-Zone”. Knew that was coming....”

Oh yea, ...and isn't the first time. Rather like Israel telling Hamas all bets are off when they break a cease fire. The Separatists know Kiev's history of doing so. Also, because this crash did occur in that stronghold so close to Russia's border, and Kiev was loosing... there's more than one way to open an area....and I put nothing past Kiev or the Oligarchs with their army's in this layered conflict...they are of the same cloth ,brutal relentless fighters....it is in their nature.

36 posted on 07/28/2014 10:20:36 AM PDT by caww
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To: McGruff

Oh that’s too funny!


37 posted on 07/28/2014 10:21:41 AM PDT by caww
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To: McGruff; tcrlaf

Ukraines Security officials (US) jumping the gun of the MH17 Investigators....saying ‘only shrapnel’ from a missle hit the plane causing decompression...yada yada...

It’s from the BBC so I put almost zero confidence...plus it’s Ukraines officials...but they aren’t saying who they are. No doubt investigators are pee-od’......but then Ukraine is alway’s trying to move the ball anywhere but on them.

“Security officials... in Ukraine .....say the downed Malaysia Airlines jet in eastern Ukraine suffered an explosive loss of pressure after it was punctured by shrapnel from a missile.

They say the information came from the plane’s flight data recorders, which are being analysed ‘by British experts’.

However, it remains unclear who fired a missile, with pro-Russia rebels and Ukraine blaming each other.

Dutch investigators leading the inquiry into the crash have ‘refused to comment’ on the Ukrainian claims. (Obviously)

The Dutch team leading the investigation into flight MH17 won’t be happy that a Ukrainian security official has ‘apparently’ jumped the gun on the black box data results. I’m told there were Ukrainian investigators in the room at the UK’s Air Accidents Investigation Branch in Farnborough last week when they checked that data, so it seems reasonable to assume this official knows something.

But still, the Dutch are hoping to publish their own more detailed and more rounded report later this week, pooling together everything they’ve learned so far.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28532525#?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


38 posted on 07/28/2014 11:34:57 AM PDT by caww
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To: caww

Only a REUTERS Top News Tweet for now:

White House adviser Blinken says still unclear “exactly who pulled the trigger” to down #MH17 but Russia is culpable


39 posted on 07/28/2014 11:48:05 AM PDT by McGruff (If you repeat a lie enough times theuniformed will accept it as the truth.)
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