Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Pushing locals aside, Russians Take Top Rebel Posts in East Ukraine
Reuters ^ | Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:16am EDT | GABRIELA BACZYNSKA AND ALEKSANDAR VASOVIC

Posted on 07/27/2014 10:17:12 AM PDT by FreeReign

As Ukrainian troops gained ground in eastern Ukraine in early July, separatist leader, Aleksander Borodai, a Russian national, left for Moscow for political consultations.

After what he described as successful talks with unnamed people there, he returned to the rebel stronghold of Donetsk to introduce a new senior figure in his self-proclaimed republic, a compatriot seasoned in the pro-Russian separatist movement in Moldova and a war between Russia and Georgia.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Russia
KEYWORDS: mh17; putinsbuttboys; randsconcerntrolls; russia; ukraine
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-85 next last

1 posted on 07/27/2014 10:17:12 AM PDT by FreeReign
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: FreeReign

2 posted on 07/27/2014 10:20:17 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FreeReign

Thank you for article with quality supportive info!


3 posted on 07/27/2014 10:21:25 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FreeReign

Well, here we have more evidence of Putin’s involvement with an illegal war being waged against a nation that’s only crime is not doing what Putin says. I hope Putin’s fan club comes to its senses. Ukraine deserves to be a free and independent nation. The Russian people do not deserve to have Putin stealing their wealth. The other neighbors of Russia should not be dragged back into the USSR/Putin Part II.


4 posted on 07/27/2014 10:22:11 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: elhombrelibre
Ukraine deserves to be a free and independent nation

Why?

5 posted on 07/27/2014 10:23:30 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. Hat)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Jim Noble
Why?

For the same reason the United States should be free and independent, Canada should be free and independent, Poland should be free and independent, etc.

6 posted on 07/27/2014 10:25:05 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Jim Noble

Why not? : )

You deserve something like it, too. It’s good to be free and independent.


7 posted on 07/27/2014 10:26:13 AM PDT by cornelis
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Jim Noble

Thing is, it won’t be any more free and independent than we are about to be.

Can’t tell me Reuters, who adores this guy, believe in freedom and liberty for anyone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfRtbIQ1kTw


8 posted on 07/27/2014 10:27:41 AM PDT by dforest
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: FreeReign
Ukrainian-born rebel leaders have been eased out, causing rifts among increasingly nervous separatists since a Malaysian airliner was downed over rebel-held territory just over a week ago.

I sure hope that Sapper is still there --

9 posted on 07/27/2014 10:28:55 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jim Noble

For the same reason we deserve to be free. Why do you think they deserve to be slaves of Putin?


10 posted on 07/27/2014 10:30:24 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: dforest
Thing is, it won’t be any more free and independent than we are about to be.Can’t tell me Reuters, who adores this guy, believe in freedom and liberty for anyone

You are a worthless Putinista, so it would be more accurate to say that you also do not want Ukraine to be free, and, thus, you are only projecting your evil desire onto Obama, though he probably feels the same as you do anyway.

11 posted on 07/27/2014 10:32:12 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: dforest
Thing is, it won’t be any more free and independent than we are about to be. Can’t tell me Reuters, who adores this guy, believe in freedom and liberty for anyone.

You go from Ukraine thread to Ukraine thread posting about Obama.

Obama has done very little about Ukraine. Even his recommended PM Yats is gone.

This. Isn't. About. Obama.

It's about the people of Ukraine.

12 posted on 07/27/2014 10:34:53 AM PDT by FreeReign
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: elhombrelibre

We deserve to be free because we defeated the work’s largest and most powerful empire (twice) and relocated or exterminated tribes of savages who objected to our rights over our territory.

Nobody “deserves” to be free as an abstraction.


13 posted on 07/27/2014 10:35:39 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. Hat)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: FreeReign

It is all about Obama. It is about what he is doing.


14 posted on 07/27/2014 10:36:05 AM PDT by dforest
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: FreeReign
Washington says the influx of Russians into the upper ranks of the separatists is matched by an increased number of heavy weaponry coming across the Russian border into Ukraine

Does anyone think for a minute that the Russians would trust their sophisticated rocket and missile firing systems to a bunch of lowly Ukrainians???

In that regard has anyone heard from Sapper and Bezler lately????

15 posted on 07/27/2014 10:40:53 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: FreeReign

The Siberian-born Antyufeyev AKA Shevtsov sent by Russia to Ukraine said: “I am the authority. I have no problems... If they do not understand that, that’s their problem. I am a professional in making (people) understand.”

“Antyufeyev knows how to operate in such situations, how to suppress opposition and dissent... create an atmosphere of fear in which people will support any action by the separatists.”

FSB Colonel Strelkov, whose real name is Igor Girkin, left his home in a Moscow suburb in February traveling to Crimea where he occupied the regional parliament along with other fighters shortly before Russia annexed the predominantly ethnic Russian region.


16 posted on 07/27/2014 10:42:17 AM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jim Noble
Nobody “deserves” to be free as an abstraction.

That's not what our forefather's said --

17 posted on 07/27/2014 10:42:35 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Jim Noble

Everyone deserves to be free, or at least that’s what the founders believed. Conservatives believe our rights come from God, not the state. You can argue that achieving that freedom is the duty of people and not the USA and still be consistent with historic American values, but you cannot say they don’t deserve it and be consistent.


18 posted on 07/27/2014 10:45:06 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Jim Noble
Nobody “deserves” to be free as an abstraction.

No. Inalienable rights aren't an abstraction.

Nobody deserves to be a slave.

We deserve to be free because we defeated...

Nobody deserves to be liberated by a third party, but that doesn't mean that people deserve to be a slave.

BTW, haven't you noticed that Ukraine without help from anybody has been fighting this battle on their own.

19 posted on 07/27/2014 10:45:08 AM PDT by FreeReign
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: free_life

Their problem is that they took the Crimea without any opposition and thought they could do the same with eastern Ukraine.

But somebody stood up and said: “Hey — wait a minute there, Vlad”.


20 posted on 07/27/2014 10:46:08 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: dforest
It is all about Obama. It is about what he is doing.

Obama is doing nothing. Obama couldn't care less.

Putin whats you to think it's about Obama, Nazis, Soros...etc.

Russia should stay out of Ukraine.

Long live the Reagan legacy of freedom and independence in E. Europe.

21 posted on 07/27/2014 10:49:42 AM PDT by FreeReign
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Uncle Chip

This a modern day David vs Goliath war.


22 posted on 07/27/2014 10:49:45 AM PDT by free_life (If you ask Jesus to forgive you and to save you, He will.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Uncle Chip

I often get the impression now that we have conservatives who have no real idea what conservatives believed or believe. They’ve apparently little knowledge of history or philosophy.


23 posted on 07/27/2014 10:50:30 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: elhombrelibre

There is another war going on, one in which some very high level people are betting on one outcome, and the Russians are betting on another. This one is out of sight, concealed by the media, and by some “hush money” being spread around.

The Ukrainian government is “heavily involved” with contributions from the Soros cartel. Soros first involved himself in Ukrainian affairs in 1989, when he established the Ukrainian International Renaissance Foundation, or IRF, two years before Ukraine became an independent nation. Since then, Soros has provided more than $100 million to support Ukrainian groups, mostly through the IRF and the Open Society Institute.

Soros’ IRF, headquartered in Kiev, not only supports numerous non-governmental organizations, it holds regular seminars and training sessions for local groups regarding such topics as “open borders” and the transformation of the region via the European Union.

Keep in mind that Putin is trying to resurrect the former territories of the Soviet Union, and Soros is working sort of sideways to counter this objective. Considering Soros’ ties with the Current Regime now squatting in the White Hut, this would explain the rather vindictive attitude of Vladimir Putin toward The Won, and his dismissal of the rather empty threats that keep getting cast his way.

The current government of the Ukraine is HEAVILY reliant on the good graces of the international Soros “hedge funds”, and this fight is not about the titular head of the party governing from Kiev, it is about spheres of influence.

The Putin/Soros fight is not yet out in the open, but it is coming, and willingly or otherwise, all of Europe and probably the Current Regime now in charge of the territory once known as “the United States of America” will be sucked into this conflict.

And all this is only a side issue to the complete chaos that is brewing in the Middle East.

Never let a good crisis go to waste.

The trouble is, the environment is so rich in various crises, it is hard to pick just which one to harness to best effect.


24 posted on 07/27/2014 10:51:29 AM PDT by alloysteel (Most people become who they promised they would never be.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: alloysteel
You REALLY can't argue with this!!!! U.S. satellites recorded as Russian "Grad" shell Ukraine U.S. released satellite images confirming the facts of shelling the territory of Ukraine "Grad", located on the territory of Russia. This was announced by U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Jeffrey Payette. "Visualization: evidence that Russian troops across the border shelled positions of the Ukrainian army, and that the separatists used in artillery attacks, giving them by Russia." - wrote Mr. Payette
25 posted on 07/27/2014 10:58:16 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: FreeReign

All I have to say is that I will be shocked to my core if it turns out Obama and his minions are on the right side of this.... I don’t think I’m in for a shock, but many others will be.


26 posted on 07/27/2014 10:59:57 AM PDT by Bobalu (Israel is the most long-suffering and peace loving nation on Earth.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: elhombrelibre

Stupidity reigns in their brain.

They see a strong ruthless man willing to do anything to win, and admire him for that without realizing that he is on the other team about to eat your lunch.


27 posted on 07/27/2014 11:00:21 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: alloysteel

What about the Rothchilds?


28 posted on 07/27/2014 11:01:08 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: FreeReign; Jim Noble

Dateline, 1779:

Lord North, British Prime Minister:

“But whether people see what’s happening in the American Colonies, and France’s aggression in the manner in which it’s financing and arming separatists...”


29 posted on 07/27/2014 11:01:58 AM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: alloysteel

Thanks for voicing what is happening.


30 posted on 07/27/2014 11:03:34 AM PDT by dforest
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: dforest

Putin thanks him too for spreading canards and red herrings.


31 posted on 07/27/2014 11:06:03 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: UMCRevMom@aol.com

Obama’s government show ya that photo did they? I got a cool photo of Luke Skywalker blowing up the death star and of Will Smith flying an F-18.

IT’s refreshing to see so much faith in our leaders to be honest with us.


32 posted on 07/27/2014 11:09:38 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

“For the same reason the United States should be free and independent, Canada should be free and independent, Poland should be free and independent, etc.”

The Ukraine was free and independent until their government was overthrown by the EU and west. Now your saying the the illegitimate government they were left with should be free and independent?


33 posted on 07/27/2014 11:15:57 AM PDT by babygene ( .)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: elhombrelibre

All he did was speak what is actually the reasons that this is such a real issue. You don’t see either side, Obama or Putin, worrying a whole lot about freedom for poor Ukraine. Each side is interested in what they get from control of Ukraine. Obama fights for freedom for nobody. If he did he would free Venezuela, or help Christians in Iraq. Neither does Putin.

The whole idea is to influence the sheep, in the name of freedom or choice, to do the dirty work.


34 posted on 07/27/2014 11:16:00 AM PDT by dforest
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: alloysteel
There is another war going on, one in which some very high level people are betting on one outcome, and the Russians are betting on another.

So then which one do you choose???

35 posted on 07/27/2014 11:17:06 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: UMCRevMom@aol.com
I post facts... believe what you will because it only matters to you. (Pictured: volunteer soldiers and townspeople) Comment from Ukrainians: "Now it can be told. This morning we are participants in the National Philharmonic Hall "SAW the tanks and the tank crews, which broke through the blockade of Amvrosievka, Shahtersk, Torez and helped to bring the terrorists in the ring in Donetsk. Tanks were so much that they there ripped the tarmac on the road, which followed a continuous stream on! We handed over the soldiers to the box with products, children's drawings and letters from girls, as well as two flag-and MAP. To know exactly where to go and where to drive the invaders. Guys, rodnen′kie, just don't stop, go ahead-forward and forward, Chase vermin to the border!!! And there are already "will take" Russian troops will meet the case. as they normally do with them;)
36 posted on 07/27/2014 11:18:49 AM PDT by UMCRevMom@aol.com
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: dforest

That’s pretty much the Left’s view of America too. Were you a Marxist for awhile?


37 posted on 07/27/2014 11:25:57 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: Uncle Chip

“So then which one do you choose???”

If I had my druthers, neither. It is like watching a fight between a grizzly bear and a wolverine over a kill (in this instance, the Ukraine). The wolverine does not understand the concept of “stepping back” or “retreat”, and the grizzly is absolutely certain that its greater reach and sheer size can fend off the wolverine.

None of this will end well.


38 posted on 07/27/2014 11:26:49 AM PDT by alloysteel (Most people become who they promised they would never be.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: elhombrelibre
Ukraine deserves to be a free and independent nation.

How ironic because that's all the two provinces Donetsk and Lugansk are asking for. And the Ukraine Junta is doing everything they can to stop them.

39 posted on 07/27/2014 11:26:53 AM PDT by McGruff (We can't even secure our border never mind Ukraine's.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: babygene
The Ukraine was free and independent until their government was overthrown by the EU and west.

Sure, if you are a nutter who believes Alex Jones and Russkie media. They were so "free" that Yanukovych was having people abducted and tortured. There are videos of protestors who were stripped naked and tortured even before the mass shootings which triggered the revolt. And yet, you want us to believe that everything was all nice and pretty, and that, if not for alleged United States meddling, no one would have stood up to Yanukovcych.

Now your saying the the illegitimate government they were left with should be free and independent?

And why are they illegitimate? Poroshenko won the election by a clear majority in every precinct that had elections, even in the East and South, except for the 2 or 3 cities where the separatists kept people from voting. Every organization that monitored the elections approved its results and the way it was carried out.

You cannot get more legitimate than that, unless you are a Russian Communist who thinks elections are only valid if Moscow has fixed them.

40 posted on 07/27/2014 11:27:37 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: babygene
The Ukraine was free and independent until their government was overthrown by the EU and west. Now your saying the the illegitimate government they were left with should be free and independent?

Elections were held. Porshenko was elected president. Obama's Yats has resigned.

You are repeating an old Putin talking point. At least use one of his new ones.

41 posted on 07/27/2014 11:28:03 AM PDT by FreeReign
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: McGruff

So you’d be in favor of California or New Mexico doing the same thing with Mexico butting into US affairs, right?


42 posted on 07/27/2014 11:28:16 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: McGruff
How ironic because that's all the two provinces Donetsk and Lugansk are asking for.

And yet, I can prove that every poll taken in the East and South gives an entirely opposite story (including Pew), and that the only ones saying otherwise are the thugs with guns who are known to abduct people and murder them for having wrong opinions, and who had an "election" where the results were declared before they received.

43 posted on 07/27/2014 11:29:33 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: McGruff

And how do you know what they want, because you believe the Putin media?


44 posted on 07/27/2014 11:30:03 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: elhombrelibre

So if Texas and Alaska decided they no longer wanted to be part of The United Obama States you would be in favor of bombing them back into submission?


45 posted on 07/27/2014 11:30:16 AM PDT by McGruff (We can't even secure our border never mind Ukraine's.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: McGruff
How ironic because that's all the Russian interlopers in the two provinces Donetsk and Lugansk are asking for.

There fixed it.

How ironic that that's also all the Mexican interlopers on America's southwestern border are asking for as well.

46 posted on 07/27/2014 11:31:32 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: elhombrelibre
They are as we speak and their police and military have on multiple occasions both crossed the border and fired across the border.

You should check out Free Republic lots of good information on what's really happening on our Southern border gets posted there.

47 posted on 07/27/2014 11:32:33 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: McGruff
How ironic because that's all the two provinces Donetsk and Lugansk are asking for.

A minority of people in both oblasts are ethnic Russians. If there was a real sympathy for independence, the pro Russians would have held a legitimate referendum. They did not.

And the Ukraine Junta is doing everything they can to stop them.

Another one using an outdated Putin talking point. Shows how much you think for yourself.

48 posted on 07/27/2014 11:32:39 AM PDT by FreeReign
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: elhombrelibre

No Dear, I worked to help Reagan get re-elected. He would be horrified by Obama.


49 posted on 07/27/2014 11:33:38 AM PDT by dforest
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: McGruff
So if the Mexican and Russian interlopers in Texas and Alaska decided they no longer wanted to be part of The United Obama States you would be in favor of bombing them back into submission?

There fixed your question again.

We should do just what the Ukrainians are doing and drive the interlopers back across the border.

You got a problem with that???

50 posted on 07/27/2014 11:36:06 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-85 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson