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Pentagon Plan Would Help Ukraine Target Rebel Missiles
NYT ^ | 26 Jul 14 | DAVID E. SANGER and ERIC SCHMITT

Posted on 07/27/2014 11:46:17 AM PDT by elhombrelibre

The Pentagon and American intelligence agencies are developing plans that would enable the Obama administration to provide specific locations of surface-to-air missiles controlled by Russian-backed separatists in eastern Ukraine so the Ukrainian government could target them for destruction, American officials said.

But the proposal has not yet been debated in the White House, a senior administration official said. It is unclear whether President Obama, who has already approved limited intelligence sharing with Ukraine, will agree to give more precise information about potential military targets, a step that would involve the United States more deeply in the conflict.

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Why would they provide this information to the government of Ukraine if Putin isn't sending in his own weapons and agents? Who were the little green men in Crimea?
1 posted on 07/27/2014 11:46:17 AM PDT by elhombrelibre
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To: elhombrelibre

How is this in the public realm if true?
Public discussion of committing an act of war?
Doesn’t this fall under the definition of treason?


2 posted on 07/27/2014 11:53:38 AM PDT by jim999
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To: jim999

Ukraine is a free and independent government despite Putin’s best efforts to destroy it. Therefore, it can negotiate with the US to acquire support to put down the Putin proxies.


3 posted on 07/27/2014 11:56:22 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre

The part that made me chuckle was when thy mentioned “Mr Obama’s emerging National Security Doctrine”.

He sure doesn’t worry about that when he imports little chilruns and MS13 characters from south of the border.

But, it is the NYT. To be expected.


4 posted on 07/27/2014 11:59:48 AM PDT by dforest
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To: elhombrelibre
Already posted once. Pentagon Plan Would Help Ukraine Target Rebel Missiles Some reason for posting it again?
5 posted on 07/27/2014 12:01:47 PM PDT by McGruff (We can't even secure our border never mind Ukraine's.)
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To: dforest

Yes, that’s correct. Between Obama and Putin we’ll be lucky to have a decent world, but helping either one of them is not a position a former Reaganite would agree to, I think.


6 posted on 07/27/2014 12:02:07 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre
Ukraine is a free and independent government

That's all these two provinces want is their freedom and the Kiev regime is doing everything they can't to stop them.

7 posted on 07/27/2014 12:04:00 PM PDT by McGruff (We can't even secure our border never mind Ukraine's.)
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To: McGruff

How many other borders are you willing to allow Putin to undermine? Are you in favor of reestablishing the former Soviet Empire?


8 posted on 07/27/2014 12:05:08 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre
Best case, the Pentagon is fed up with the liars in Kiev denying the Separatists have such heavy weapons and advanced systems along with a good many trained Ukraine troops who have defected to the Separatist side.

So, rather than play along with the propaganda, the Pentagon is saying that they'll help Kiev target the systems Kiev swears the Separatists don't have and can't operate if they do have them.

My guess is Kiev will insist US bombing is the only solution.

Worst case, . . .

9 posted on 07/27/2014 12:09:04 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: McGruff

How many more provinces will you let Putin take?


10 posted on 07/27/2014 12:09:05 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: Rashputin

You don’t know what you’re talking about and you don’t know how the US Military works.


11 posted on 07/27/2014 12:10:06 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre

You really don’t understand. I am not for either. I am for the truth and so I am very skeptical to believe propaganda from either side.

You are helping Obama even though you may not want to be. Tell me, when has Obama ever tried to help anyone except those who vote for him or are useful to his agenda?

The fight is for freedom here in this country. If we can’t keep ours, you know Ukraine isn’t going to have any.


12 posted on 07/27/2014 12:12:45 PM PDT by dforest
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To: elhombrelibre

——But the proposal has not yet been debated in the White House-——

I wonder what president Jarrett would say...

Obama certainty doesn’t want to poke the bear.. (putin) since his dossier on Obama must be quite the read...

Which means the Ukrainians will be left to twist in the wind...

Too bad they aren’t muzzies...obama would bent over backwards to help them...


13 posted on 07/27/2014 12:14:26 PM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: dforest

I don’t believe Obama is helping Ukraine. I believe he’s harming them.


14 posted on 07/27/2014 12:17:24 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: Popman

The reason I posted it was because it shows that the US military and our intelligence all agree that the evidence of Putin’s support is real. I have no more belief that Obama will help Ukraine than I believe he’ll fix the economy, health care, or the border problems.


15 posted on 07/27/2014 12:19:37 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre

We agree on that.


16 posted on 07/27/2014 12:19:56 PM PDT by dforest
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To: McGruff
Repetition makes the heart grow fonder?

All these years I thought it was absence.

17 posted on 07/27/2014 12:34:34 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: McGruff

Jeepers, quit your whining. The rule, as stated before by the Mods, is roughly four hours.


18 posted on 07/27/2014 12:45:39 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: elhombrelibre

If Nobama is supplying weapons and funding, you can be sure it’s to the wrong side.


19 posted on 07/27/2014 12:49:46 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: elhombrelibre; McGruff
How many other borders are you willing to allow Putin to undermine?

Estonia will be next on the list if you Kerry-hawks aren't careful.

20 posted on 07/27/2014 12:49:53 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: elhombrelibre
Oh, they've changed so much since the late 1990s that they now all have their noses up King Barry's butt?
21 posted on 07/27/2014 12:51:49 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: dforest
Barry is shafting Ukraine and has a patsy selected by the same money that's behind him.

Who benefits if Ukraine nationalizes and then sells off the heavy industry in Ukraine most of which is owned directly or indirectly by Russians and Russian shareholders?

Putin got what he wanted and now looks like he's just keeping his approval numbers up within Russia using carefully worded BS. He ain't no choirboy but he can read a balance sheet and knows industry in Ukraine needs a lot of investment to keep going.

If Russian owners loose, well, he'll make it easy for them to invest in new, modern, replacements within the current borders of Russia the Koreans will be more than happy to build.

He's also, contrary to popular opinion, well aware of what his military limitations are.

People trying to characterize a shrewd leader with juvinile propaganda straight out of a bad 1950s movie is just plain stupid. No one will have much, if anything, to wonder about when Putin has the upper hand someplace and he won't move anywhere until he does.

JMHO

22 posted on 07/27/2014 12:54:19 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: 1rudeboy; Admin Moderator
The rule, as stated before by the Mods, is roughly four hours.

So you intentionally re-posted a thread. I hadn't head that. Is that true?

23 posted on 07/27/2014 12:59:14 PM PDT by McGruff (We can't even secure our border never mind Ukraine's.)
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To: Rashputin
Worst case, . . .

No -- the Worst case is when I take the time to read your nonsense.

24 posted on 07/27/2014 1:12:58 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: jim999

Huh?


25 posted on 07/27/2014 1:16:15 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: elhombrelibre
Who were the little green men in Crimea?

Them Ruskys are tricky little buggers.

26 posted on 07/27/2014 1:20:23 PM PDT by McGruff (We can't even secure our border never mind Ukraine's.)
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To: mac_truck

Putin won’t do anything because of me. His desire to reconstitute the Russian Empire has nothing to do with anything I see, say, or write. I’m not surprised you’d blame me for Putin’s goals as you’re incapable of blaming your God Putin.


27 posted on 07/27/2014 1:20:33 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre

You know...for a guy who supposedly spent time in Iraq you sure have a weird obsession with Russia. You’d think someone with your ‘experience’ would be posting on ISIS threads rather than rabidly posting on Ukraine ones. Makes me question your whole story...


28 posted on 07/27/2014 1:40:44 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck
Hmmm perhaps because we don't have here a whole contingent of dickheads rooting for ISIS and treating them as the second coming ?
29 posted on 07/27/2014 3:50:38 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246

Could be because we don’t have a President that cares about stopping ISIS, but wants to poke his nose in Ukraine.

just saying


30 posted on 07/27/2014 3:53:28 PM PDT by dforest
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To: dforest
“but wants to poke his nose in Ukraine.”

You mean because he sent them MREs, socks and released several strongly worded statements, it's clear that it's all a grand Muslim/neo-con/IMF/Rothschild/Bilderberg/Soros/sodomite EU/Monsanto Nazi conspiracy against Putin - the fierce defender of Christianity and free market, the vanquisher of banksters, islamists and homos ?

The whole “Obama supports Ukraine therefore Putin must be right” crap spread by Putinists here is totally out of touch with reality. In fact a fragile Ukrainian state is pushed around by a KGB punk and “western leaders” don't give a damn to the point that French don't even bother to cancel their little shitty warship deal.

31 posted on 07/27/2014 4:10:50 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: mac_truck

By your logic, then, I guess you must have served in Ukraine or with the FSB. You’re always on here arguing that Ukraine should be subjugated by Putin’s proxies. In fact, you’re always showing poor cognitive skills and logic nearly every time you post. Just as someone could have been in Iraq and be opposed to Putin, one can also oppose Putin and Obama. Apparently, you think being consistently in support of freedom is a questionable trait.


32 posted on 07/27/2014 10:30:29 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: dforest

You’re just saying something that isn’t true. Putin is sending lethal items to his proxies in an undeclared war on his neighbor. Obama has made some speeches, some very limited sanctions, and sent some EOD robots. To say that you think Obama is poking his nose into Ukraine ignores the fact that he’s offered little aid that will make a difference. And it plays the moral equivalence card that the Left always plays.


33 posted on 07/27/2014 10:36:16 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre
The only thing you're consistent about is lying.
34 posted on 07/28/2014 4:57:45 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck

The only thing you’re consistent about is your love for Obama? Do you have a big picture poster of him on your wall at home? Are you in love with him?


35 posted on 07/28/2014 9:57:20 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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