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US says photos show Russian artillery fired on Ukraine
Yahoo News ^ | July 27, 2014 | AFP

Posted on 07/27/2014 1:28:39 PM PDT by Uncle Chip

The United States on Sunday released satellite images to bolster its claim that Russian artillery has fired across the border into Ukraine, targeting government forces in support of separatist rebels.

The four images, prepared by the office of the Director of National Intelligence and forwarded to reporters by the State Department, show sections of the Russia-Ukraine frontier.

Two show what the US government alleges are Russian batteries on its own territory -- one group of multiple rocket launchers and another of self-propelled howitzers.

Pictures also show impact craters near military positions on the Ukrainian side of the frontier.

A third picture shows what Washington alleges is Russian-supplied heavy weaponry being fired by separatists from within Ukraine.

"The wide area of impacts near the Ukrainian military units indicates fire from multiple rocket launchers. The bottom impact crater inset shows impacts within a local village," the caption said.

Moscow denies directly intervening in the Ukraine conflict and has accused Washington of mounting a smear campaign against it.

Washington turned up the pressure Thursday, alleging Russia had fired across the border and planned to deliver "heavier and more powerful multiple rocket launchers" to its rebel allies.

Then, the State Department cited only "intelligence information" to back up its claim before releasing the photographs on Sunday to strengthen its case.

Ukraine also claims two of its fighter jets were downed by missiles fired from Russian territory, but its US ally has yet to confirm this.

Fears of the damage that Russian arms could do in the hands of Ukraine's separatists increased sharply after a civilian Malaysian airliner was shot down over rebel territory with the loss of 298 lives.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


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1 posted on 07/27/2014 1:28:39 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

http://liveuamap.com/


2 posted on 07/27/2014 1:30:53 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: All

looks like Ukraine has it’s hands full. Maybe they should have stood-up when Russia waltzed in and took Crimea.


3 posted on 07/27/2014 1:34:18 PM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Mr. mulato upon hearing of the news expressed severe outrage..........................that his golf game had been interrupted.


4 posted on 07/27/2014 1:34:33 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: newnhdad

They’re standing up now while you’re sitting down.


5 posted on 07/27/2014 1:36:40 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: tcrlaf; caww; mac_truck; McGruff

Images here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2707650/Proof-Russia-firing-Ukrainian-troops-U-S-State-Department-publishes-satellite-images-says-Russian-artillery-used-pro-Kremlin-rebels.html


6 posted on 07/27/2014 1:46:51 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

We keep slouching toward war, don’t we?


7 posted on 07/27/2014 1:50:17 PM PDT by ex-snook (God forgives and forgets.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Who shot first?

On Sunday, shells hit the Russian town of Donetsk, which has the same name as the nearby Ukrainian city of Donetsk that is a center of opposition to the Kiev regime. The shells killed a 46-year-old father of four and wounded four, including two elderly women.

The shelling came after repeated attacks across the Russian border by Kiev regime forces. On Saturday, Ukrainian forces fired several shells at Russia’s neighboring Kuibyshev district and started a gunfight with Russian border guards there. On Sunday, Ukrainian warplanes violated Russian air space and overflew Donetsk, Russia shortly after the shelling had taken place, before launching missiles at targets inside Ukraine.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/moscow-threatens-response-after-ukraine-forces-shell-russian-border-town/5391194

July 14, 2014


8 posted on 07/27/2014 1:53:08 PM PDT by McGruff (We can't even secure our border never mind Ukraine's.)
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To: Uncle Chip
In other words the U.S. has this one random photo (LOL!) that's not even related to the case. Which is pathetic at best.

Their only other evidence is Social Media (Facebook, Youtube) that have been already been debunked.

What's funny is that no one wants to talk about Ukraine seizing and refusing to release the radar data to the public? If they were innocent, then why would they be hiding this? Who stands to gain from this and who stands to lose????

Common guys don't be so freaking gullible. This is coming from the same group that said the boarder is secure. Oh and you can keep your plan if you like it.

9 posted on 07/27/2014 1:53:14 PM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: ex-snook

Russia is just doubling down so that the international investigators can’t get to the shootdown site and find all that evidence that implicates it.


10 posted on 07/27/2014 1:54:09 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: McGruff
Who shot first?

What's on second?

Show us your satellite images --

11 posted on 07/27/2014 1:56:11 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Well then where are the MH17 crash site photos? Russia has some they say slow Ukrainian BUK missiles in the area.


12 posted on 07/27/2014 1:57:23 PM PDT by McGruff (We can't even secure our border never mind Ukraine's.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Why is Ukraine refusing to release their radar data?

Why was the Airline flying over a war zone when FAA Europe had told them not too?

Who gains from this and who loses?

We are broke and this is NOT our fight. It’s beyond stupid to even think about going to war against Russia.


13 posted on 07/27/2014 1:58:30 PM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: Enlightened1
In other words the U.S. has this one random photo

In dealing with Russians, one photo is worth 100,000 Kremlin denials

How's the weather over there in Moscow???

14 posted on 07/27/2014 1:59:25 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Berlin_Freeper
Like the South Koreans in Vietnam. One SVN Army short 82mm round hits their base, a week later another two, the day after that pair two dozen "stray" 82mm rounds fired by South Koreans hit the base the short rounds were fired from.

So sorry, please excuse, all mistake.

Or all an old wives tale.

Who knows what yarns lurk in the hearts of propagandists?

But the ROK troops never had a problem with SVN Army units firing short rounds into them after the story got around.

15 posted on 07/27/2014 2:00:38 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: ex-snook

We keep slouching towards preventing war, if you want war, then allow the Russians to regain under Obama and lefties, what Reagan destroyed.


16 posted on 07/27/2014 2:01:11 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: Enlightened1

So then you are admitting that Russian rebels shot it down —


17 posted on 07/27/2014 2:02:28 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: McGruff
Russia has some they say slow Ukrainian BUK missiles in the area.

They don't have them yet.

They are still forging them right now and should have them ready shortly.

Please post them when they're ready -- we all love a good laugh.

18 posted on 07/27/2014 2:08:05 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Please post them when they're ready — we all love a good laugh.

See Question #4. Why did Kiev deploy BUK missile systems on the edge of militia-controlled zones directly before the tragedy?

http://rt.com/news/174496-malaysia-crash-russia-questions/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

19 posted on 07/27/2014 2:16:34 PM PDT by McGruff (We can't even secure our border never mind Ukraine's.)
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To: Uncle Chip

I think the biggest problem you guys face, Uncle Chip, is ... Obama is on your side.

Remember when Zero, McCain and other simpletons were urging that we jump in with both feet on the side of the Syrian “freedom-fighters”—formerly al Qaeda Iraq, now ISIS? We actually armed them as well.

These people are now exterminating Christians in Iraq and sticking their heads on spikes.

You can glut News and Activism with these articles all you want, but most of us here are concerned about America’s own problems. And one of the biggest is your ally, Obama.


20 posted on 07/27/2014 2:16:38 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: newnhdad

I tell you what. After its over, let us know who it came out. We sure dont want any part of it. We have an invasion from Mexico to STOP.


21 posted on 07/27/2014 2:19:17 PM PDT by rlapuma
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To: tumblindice
You really think so???

You don't think that eastern Ukraine is an omen of what America will face on its southwestern borders if it doesn't address it shortly.

22 posted on 07/27/2014 2:31:40 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

During the past few weeks, the world has erupted in greater fury at Israel for bombing Gaza in self-defense than at Russian separatists in Ukraine for bombing an innocent airliner out of the sky.

So, while Israel continues to fight for its survival and the world continues to attack it in an orgy of anti-Semitism, Russia will be left alone to conquer Ukraine. While the world’s media continues to excoriate Israel every time a few Gazan children are killed because Hamas used them as human shields, the Russians will be free to destroy entire Ukrainian villages with no outcry from the preoccupied press.

Because of anti-Semitism, the coast will be clear for Vladimir Putin to take over anything he wants to take over.


23 posted on 07/27/2014 2:32:35 PM PDT by Bluestocking
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To: Uncle Chip

Chip you did not answer any of my questions, and you believe the ,on public record, known compulsive liars in this Administration.

I can’t believe you are falling for their B.S. after all the lies? Here are some of their lies.

“The Boarder is secure”
“You can keep your Doctor”
“You did not build your business”

Now if you worked with someone and caught them lying about your business,,, Moreover, if they were not already fired, then would you believe they are telling you the truth???

Now you may say yes, but the vast majority of people will say no. I just do not get how you can’t see how fake the Administration argument is about this.

Let’s take this one step further. Let’s say the Administration is not lying. Do you really think it’s worth going to war over? Remember we shot down an airline by mistake one time too in the gulf.

Here is the link in case you think I’m making it up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

Be warned a war with Russia will not be like Iraq or Afghanistan. Where it’s off in the distance. Russia can easily reach our cities with their planes, ships and subs.


24 posted on 07/27/2014 2:37:41 PM PDT by Enlightened1
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To: Enlightened1
I can’t believe you are falling for their B.S. after all the lies?

As bad as Obama's lies are they pale in comparison to those of the Kremlin.

Are the Prime Ministers of Great Britain, Australia, Netherlands all lying as well about this incident???

Perhaps you would like a lie detector test of your own:

Who shot down MH17????

25 posted on 07/27/2014 2:46:49 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Enlightened1
In other words the U.S. has this one random photo (LOL!) that's not even related to the case. Which is pathetic at best.

It's not even an official US government photo either. Who do these State Dept. twits think they're kidding?

26 posted on 07/27/2014 2:50:24 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Rashputin
"But the ROK troops never had a problem with SVN Army units firing short rounds into them after the story got around."

I spent three years in the ROK. The ROKs do indeed, have a way of finding simple solutions to complicated problems.

27 posted on 07/27/2014 2:54:10 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Where is the missing Malaysian jet, Uncle Chump? You were dead wrong on that one but that didn’t stop you from your verbal abuse of people who didn’t agree with you.

Yessir, those brilliant brits who knew just right where that plane was. You bought that too.

Now, the “find the jet” is more of an online game.


28 posted on 07/27/2014 2:56:50 PM PDT by dforest
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To: dforest

C’mon you can do better than that —


29 posted on 07/27/2014 3:00:24 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

No, it is you that can do better.

YOU 0/2


30 posted on 07/27/2014 3:02:29 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Joe 6-pack
LOL. All these years later and I get some solid info.

Thanks.

31 posted on 07/27/2014 3:14:06 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: dforest
Yessir, those brilliant brits who knew just right where that plane was. You bought that too.

Actually the Brits did -- Inmarsat data has traced the plane to its likely resting place off the coast of Australia with Aussie help.

Once again you verify your status here -- MTAUI.

32 posted on 07/27/2014 3:15:07 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Rashputin

I saw some very complicated problems solved by nothing more than a ROK Army NCO with about a 2’ length of rebar.


33 posted on 07/27/2014 3:17:58 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Uncle Chip

“Moscow denies directly intervening in the Ukraine conflict and has accused Washington of mounting a smear campaign against it. “

Ahhhh.... (1) They are. (2) It’s funny watching the two governments trying to use the same tactics on each other.


34 posted on 07/27/2014 3:18:00 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: Uncle Chip
Russia is just doubling down so that the international investigators can’t get to the shootdown site and find all that evidence that implicates it.

The rebels have controlled the site since day one and are cooperating with investigators. The Ukrainians are the ones that are in a mad rush to get there. Maybe they need to destroy some evidence.

35 posted on 07/27/2014 3:24:08 PM PDT by McGruff (We can't even secure our border never mind Ukraine's.)
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To: newnhdad
looks like Ukraine has it’s hands full. Maybe they should have stood-up when Russia waltzed in and took Crimea.

If they hadn't fallen for Clinton's guarantee of protection in return for turning over their nukes, Russia would not be attacking them now.

36 posted on 07/27/2014 3:39:57 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (See my home page for some of my answers to the left's talking points.)
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To: McGruff

Observers got under 3 hours at MH17 crash site, US claims -

http://www.themalaymailonline.com/malaysia/article/observers-got-under-3-hours-at-mh17-crash-site-us-claims


37 posted on 07/27/2014 3:40:47 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
You posted an article from July 20th as if it's the current situation?
38 posted on 07/27/2014 3:49:36 PM PDT by McGruff (We can't even secure our border never mind Ukraine's.)
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To: Uncle Chip
If they hadn't fallen for Clinton's guarantee of protection in return for turning over their nukes, Russia would not be attacking them now.

What if some of those nukes were in rebel held territory?

39 posted on 07/27/2014 3:51:39 PM PDT by McGruff (We can't even secure our border never mind Ukraine's.)
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To: Uncle Chip

No doubt there are craters where bombs landed but I wouldn’t believe a government photo of myself typing this sentence (obligatory wave at the NSA dude behind the screen). We’ve learned from Shock and Awe and the Green Man that photos lie. How about some photos showing the damage done on both sides.


40 posted on 07/27/2014 3:53:54 PM PDT by bgill
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To: McGruff
I believe your post was meant for me.

What if some of those nukes were in rebel held territory?

Good question. I would like to think the government could maintain control over its nukes, but I could see the opposite happening, too.

41 posted on 07/27/2014 4:06:11 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (See my home page for some of my answers to the left's talking points.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

It would certainly complicate the situation. Do we have to thank Bill Clinton? Don’t know if I can do that.


42 posted on 07/27/2014 4:15:36 PM PDT by McGruff (We can't even secure our border never mind Ukraine's.)
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To: Uncle Chip
Interesting... The Russians are claiming someone drew the border in the wrong place, in the US photos that were released. Anybody google earth this, yet?
43 posted on 07/27/2014 4:19:39 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: dforest

“Where is the missing Malaysian jet, Uncle Chump?”

lol...
“Uncle Chump”...
I am so stealing that.


44 posted on 07/27/2014 4:25:15 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: McGruff
"What if some of those nukes were in rebel held territory?"

No problem, give Jack a pocket multi-tool and a 9mm automatic, parachute him in, thrity dead badguys later, problem solved.

That's how the real world works.

45 posted on 07/27/2014 4:26:58 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: McGruff

The current situation was not much better.

I posted an article yesterday in which the Malaysians said that their 3 investigators were allowed by the rebels only 3 hours/day on thee site, and aside from 1 other investigator they were the only ones on the site.


46 posted on 07/27/2014 4:35:16 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip; tcrlaf; McGruff; dforest

Former State Dept official just spoke and said this is not how the state dept. puts things out, nor how they release important information....he said he’s ‘highly’suspescious because..... HE said it was released at about 4:00 in the morning and further that how it’s put together is sloppy and quote ....”that’s not how the state dept does things”

Thus far nobody has located the actual source of who released it.....but MSM is going with it regardless. State dept hasn’t commented to confirm or not the last I knew.

Has anybody heard the state dept. actually confirming this is theirs?


47 posted on 07/27/2014 4:37:12 PM PDT by caww
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To: Uncle Chip; tcrlaf; McGruff; dforest

Former State Dept official just spoke and said this is not how the state dept. puts things out, nor how they release important information....he said he’s ‘highly’suspescious because..... HE said it was released at about 4:00 in the morning and further that how it’s put together is sloppy and quote ....”that’s not how the state dept does things”

Thus far nobody has located the actual source of who released it.....but MSM is going with it regardless. State dept hasn’t commented to confirm or not the last I knew.

Has anybody heard the state dept. actually confirming this is theirs?


48 posted on 07/27/2014 4:37:12 PM PDT by caww
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To: tcrlaf

That’s why I pinged you because I can always count on you to tell us what the Russians are saying —

Keep up the good work.


49 posted on 07/27/2014 4:37:54 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

I’m paying attention to what BOTH sides are saying. You only seem to care what one is saying.


50 posted on 07/27/2014 4:39:06 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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