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MH17: Why the Culprits May Never Be Caught
The Telegraph ^ | 27 Jul 2014 | Robert Mendick

Posted on 07/27/2014 4:07:55 PM PDT by nickcarraway

Failure of official investigators to inspect the crash site properly and the length of time it has taken to examine forensic evidence may mean that those responsible are never found

The inquiry into the shooting down of Flight MH17 risks becoming hopelessly compromised by the failure of official investigators to inspect the crash site properly – giving rebels nine days to destroy and tamper with vital evidence.

The probable launch site of the ground-to-air missile, found by a Sunday Telegraph reporting team, also remains unexplored by the Dutch officials leading the investigation.

Experts fear that the inquiry has become bogged down almost before it has begun, raising the prospect of years of wrangling between the Kremlin and the West over what happened to the Malaysia Airlines jet, which crashed into a field in eastern Ukraine killing all 298 people on board.

A team of unarmed Dutch troops – made up of military police and special forces – and Australian police is finally to be deployed this week on the ground in rebel-held eastern Ukraine in an attempt to secure the site.

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: mh17; russia; terrorism; ukraine

1 posted on 07/27/2014 4:07:55 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

G-d knows and will repay.


2 posted on 07/27/2014 4:09:11 PM PDT by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed. If you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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To: nickcarraway

Can’t they trace the cell phone owner who tweeted he’d just shot down a plane?


3 posted on 07/27/2014 4:09:32 PM PDT by bgill
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To: bgill
Can’t they trace the cell phone owner who tweeted he’d just shot down a plane?

Likely those who pulled the trigger or were directly involved have already been killed in a cleanup by Putin's assassins.

4 posted on 07/27/2014 4:13:45 PM PDT by suijuris
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To: nickcarraway

If the NSA does not know for certain, we do not need them.


5 posted on 07/27/2014 4:15:29 PM PDT by Rodentking (There is no God but Yahweh and Moses is his prophet - http://www.airpower.blogspot.com/)
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To: nickcarraway

The ATC recordings of the Airliner that went down in Africa were released within 24 hours.

Am I a “PUTINISTA!” or a “Propagandist!” for asking why the ATC tapes from MH17 haven’t been released, yet?


6 posted on 07/27/2014 4:15:57 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: nickcarraway

Agreed. I’d be shocked if they find them absent an informant.


7 posted on 07/27/2014 4:17:04 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: nickcarraway
Why the Culprits May Never Be Caught

Perhaps because they are dead?

8 posted on 07/27/2014 4:21:36 PM PDT by fso301
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To: nickcarraway
>>>>>>giving rebels nine days to destroy and tamper with vital evidence. <<<<<<

Rebels did not tamper and destroy voice communication recording between Kiev ATC and MH17 pilots. Ukrainians SBU (secret service) SEIZED THEM minutes after the crash.

Questions:

1. Why SBU seized the voice recordings?

2. Where recordings are being held ?

3 Why the recordings were not given to the international investigators?

9 posted on 07/27/2014 4:25:33 PM PDT by DTA
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To: bgill

Can’t they trace the cell phone owner who tweeted he’d just shot down a plane?

Maybe because He Strelkove, has split——

Terrorist leaders Igor Strelkov Girkin (The Gunman) and Igor Besâ Bezler
(The Demon) have fled the combat zone.The two are not present in the area
of the Anti-Terrorist Operation (ATO), or in places where other rebel leaders
are in hiding............................


10 posted on 07/27/2014 4:30:13 PM PDT by hubel458
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To: nickcarraway

They will find out, the piece of carp that did this will not keep silent, they will brag. It’s only a question of when.


11 posted on 07/27/2014 4:35:28 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Rodentking

Do they care?


12 posted on 07/27/2014 4:40:06 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
One thing is irrefutable....the persons responsible are all connected to some degree...very probably an *enormous* degree...with Vlad Putin.Just the other day the BBC or Deutche Welle (can't recall which) ran a report showing convincing evidence of surface-to-air missiles having been recently launched FROM RUSSIAN TERRITORY near the conflict zone.
13 posted on 07/27/2014 4:44:30 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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To: hubel458

Isn’t that 11th or 12th time that Kiev media has claimed they have “fled”??


14 posted on 07/27/2014 4:54:14 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: nickcarraway

Putin already has Sapper, Bezler, and Strelkov scheduled for sex change operations —


15 posted on 07/27/2014 5:11:01 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: tcrlaf

Well the ATO has split Donestk area away from

the rest of russian held area, so that means ATO forces

are there and not finding strelkov dead there,

means he is gone....simple


16 posted on 07/27/2014 5:12:33 PM PDT by hubel458
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To: suijuris

Not to mention being an idiot who shot the wrong thing.


17 posted on 07/27/2014 5:14:37 PM PDT by bgill
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To: nickcarraway

Who shot down MH17 and why?

Options. -Russian influenced rebels by accident or on purpose.
-Ukrainian forces as above
-Outside intel forces controlled by west wanting to change public opinion and involve us in another war, and sell our LNG to Europe
-Unknown forces that thrive on global turmoil. They exist because they profit from war.

Society is wiser and more patriotic being skeptical than gullible.


18 posted on 07/27/2014 5:25:40 PM PDT by apoliticalone (Global corporatism is the threat to freedom and rights. They want your sovereignty and politicians.)
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To: apoliticalone

We still don’t know who shot on the protestors in Kiev. Without that, the coup would never have happened.


19 posted on 07/27/2014 5:28:09 PM PDT by grania
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To: grania

Evaluation of motive (as in who benefits) is oddly missing from objective analysis of such events. The finger of blame by the establishment typically points at the most convenient target, instead of at those who profit or politically benefit. They depend on a society of the gullible rather than of cynical critical thinkers.


20 posted on 07/27/2014 5:43:22 PM PDT by apoliticalone
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To: apoliticalone

Evaluation of motive -—

Er— motive was they having so much fun shooting

down UKE Airforce, and made a stupid...


21 posted on 07/27/2014 7:04:45 PM PDT by hubel458
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To: nickcarraway

My guess is Putin has disappeared them by now. He can’t afford to have them talk.


22 posted on 07/27/2014 7:05:40 PM PDT by DB
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To: grania
>>>>>>>We still don’t know who shot on the protestors in Kiev. Without that, the coup would never have happened.<<<<<<

Europe's Union Catherine Ashton and Lithuanian FM phone conversation intercept reveals snipers were working for the coup forces

Kiev junta was rewarded for this crime, so they are encouraged to commit even bigger one.

Especially after "free world" refused to pay attention to Junta's mass murders of Ukraine civilians in Odessa and elsewhere in the east Ukraine.

In the past, Bolsheviks (majority) called their oponents Menseviks (minority) although bolsheviks were tiny fraction. Deception worked.

Kiev junta use the same trick - they call their opponents terrorists, although Junta are terrorists by nature - they murder innocent civilians to instil fear in others.

23 posted on 07/27/2014 7:55:49 PM PDT by DTA
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To: apoliticalone; nickcarraway; Greetings_Puny_Humans
Why is the principal question, "who" can be gun for hire.

Have you seen this photo before? It is avalable timestamped from hundreds of servers.

It was tweeted by a Dutch passenger Geert Niokerken just BEFORE boarding MH17 at Shiphol. He sent a message :if she disappears, here's how she looks like....

Take a close look at a wheel cover at the right bottom corner It reads RC. The full registration of the plane is 9M-MRC.

So what?

Well, MH17 that crashed in Ukraine was 9M-MRD.

It's suddenly getting chilly in the room, isn't it?

If Geert boarded 9M-MRC, where is the plane, where is Geert?

His tweet suddenly gets more weight.

Where 9M-MRD came from? WHO was on board?

(No, 9M-MRD is not MH370. MH370 was 9M_MRO)

24 posted on 07/27/2014 9:21:52 PM PDT by DTA
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To: DTA
Take a close look at a wheel cover at the right bottom corner It reads RC.

Looks like AC, also I don't see any numbers, but these initials are still important. It must stand for Alan Colmes. It's his calling card. After Hannity kicked him off his show, Colmes went insane with rage and decided, years later, to murder all these people, and then place their corpses on a DIFFERENT plane that he knew the Russkies would shoot down, and then he'd get the scoop or something.

25 posted on 07/27/2014 9:32:38 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: grania
We still don’t know who shot on the protestors in Kiev. Without that, the coup would never have happened.

Actually we do, it was the Russian trained agents in the SBU. There are photographs of them leaving their compound 2 or 3 blocks away heavily armed shortly before the shootings. Then, when they returned, the shootings had ceased. They were then photographed fleeing while burning documents and carrying safes.

You're still about 3 months behind in news.

26 posted on 07/27/2014 9:35:50 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: apoliticalone
Options. -Russian influenced rebels by accident or on purpose

They confessed to it right away, and it was Russian propaganda outlet Life News first on the scene almost right away (they like to party). The only problem was they thought it was a Ukranian cargo plane, so they deleted their postings and all their bragging about having Buks when Life News came back with videos of dead civilians.

27 posted on 07/27/2014 9:39:38 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: DTA

By the way, why did you ping me? I did not even know this thread existed. Maybe you subconsciously wanted me to come and make fun of you.

This is a good development.


28 posted on 07/27/2014 9:41:21 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
I pinged you to explain how Malaysia Airlines registration 9M-MRC was photographed at the gate at Shiphol July 17, 2014 and 9M-MRD crashed in Ukraine several hours later. Simple as that. (both photos are available from numerous sources)

I am giving you fair chance to blurt out Soros disinformation.

29 posted on 07/27/2014 9:49:31 PM PDT by DTA
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To: DTA
I pinged you to explain how Malaysia Airlines registration 9M-MRC was photographed at the gate at Shiphol July 17, 2014 and 9M-MRD

MRC? The letters you gave were MRO and MRD. I think your crazy is evolving.

30 posted on 07/27/2014 9:55:01 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: DTA

Oh nevermind, you gave all three. My eyes must have glazed over the first go around.


31 posted on 07/27/2014 9:55:58 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: DTA
The full registration of the plane is 9M-MRC.

No, it's not. 9M-MRC is a different plane altogether, which recently flew from FRA to KUL, arriving over six hours ago.

Obviously, some paint got scraped off, turning a D into a C.

32 posted on 07/27/2014 9:56:34 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody

You’re in on the conspiracy! Who paid you? Was it Soros? Or did Moochelle offer you her body and thus scare you into doing it?


33 posted on 07/27/2014 9:59:18 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
The only problem was they thought it was a Ukranian cargo plane, so they deleted their postings and all their bragging about having Buks when Life News came back with videos of dead civilians.

It was sooner than that. They immediately dispatched a squad of fighters to the crash scene, expecting to round up any crew who bailed out, as they had after they shot down that Kiev AN-26 cargo plane the Monday before (two bailed out; six died). However, when they got there, they found dead civilians bearing foreign passports. They gave the bad news to their commander about forty minutes after the shootdown, and that's when the social media boast came down.

34 posted on 07/27/2014 10:03:18 PM PDT by cynwoody
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