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Troops Move on Crash Site in Ukraine, Foiling Deal
NY Times ^ | JULY 27, 2014 | ANDREW E. KRAMER and ANDREW HIGGINS

Posted on 07/28/2014 5:30:39 AM PDT by McGruff

Just hours after the Malaysian government reached an agreement with Ukrainian separatists on Sunday over access to the crash site of a Malaysian airliner shot down in rebel territory, the Ukrainian military launched an operation to recapture the debris fields, again stalling international efforts to secure the site.

The heavy fighting threatened to torpedo hopes of a breakthrough and cause yet more delays in collecting evidence and retrieving the remaining bodies from the crash. Ukrainian security officials said they needed control over the site to prevent the pro-Russia separatists from destroying clues to the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: mh17
The separatist reached an agreement the Malaysian government for access to the crash site why won't the Ukrainian government respect a cease fire?
1 posted on 07/28/2014 5:30:39 AM PDT by McGruff
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Desperate, aren’t we ;) Be patient, Ukrainian Army nearly completed recapture of the crash site, in few hours investigators can return to much safer working conditions. Not to mention that Russians are losing badly and will be finished in a couple of days...


2 posted on 07/28/2014 5:37:47 AM PDT by Samogon (Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something. - Plato)
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An international police team abandoned its attempt to reach the crash site of a Malaysia Airlines plane for a second day running Monday as clashes raged in a town on the road to the area.

With government troops intensifying their push to claw back more territory from pro-Russian separatist rebels, the death toll is mounting steadily. The United Nations released new figures Monday showing that more than 1,100 people have died in more than four months of fighting.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/07/28/ukraine-clashes-intensify-as-army-tries-to-pressure-rebels/


3 posted on 07/28/2014 5:40:07 AM PDT by McGruff (If you repeat a lie enough times theuniformed will accept it as the truth.)
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What was this another agreement??? Why would it be necessary if they were already visiting the site last week???

Ohhh that’s right — the Russian rebels were only allowing them 3 hours/day at the site and then they cut that off.


4 posted on 07/28/2014 6:01:09 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: McGruff

Some on the ground see foul play:

According to the Malaysian prime minister, the rebels have fulfilled two of their three obligations, returning both the bodies of the MH17 passengers as well as the black boxes.

What remains, allowing access to the crash site for an investigation, is the last.

http://news.yahoo.com/fighting-keeps-international-investigators-mh17-crash-130200513.html


5 posted on 07/28/2014 6:06:06 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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They won’t move the larger panels of the downed aircrfaft that will show the spray pattern of the missile fragments.
The impact pattern of the missile should be clear enough to see the cause—even though the valuable ‘stuff’ in the plane has been looted.
Kinda like on the the right side of Flt 800 that THEY WOULD NEVER LET THE PUBLIC SEE. (Thanks, Billery.)


6 posted on 07/28/2014 6:14:26 AM PDT by Flintlock (Deport them ALLLL!)
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MH17 and TWA 800 both crashed on July 17. They may have alot more in common when the truth comes out. But that may take years.


7 posted on 07/28/2014 6:22:05 AM PDT by McGruff (If you repeat a lie enough times theuniformed will accept it as the truth.)
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8 posted on 07/28/2014 6:24:28 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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Ukraine blames rebels for ‘fake’ fighting claims

Ukraine’s foreign minister has denied the country’s army was engaged in fighting near the MH17 crash site after Dutch experts cancelled a visit due to reports of hostilities.

Pavlo Klimkin tweeted that rebels had prevented the international team from reaching the site where the passenger plane crashed in eastern Ukraine.

Terrorists back to their normal outrageous practice: they don’t allow OSCE (the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe) monitors to access the #MH17 site claiming Ukraine army is fighting nearby.

Their argument is fake. Ukraine is committed to its unilateral ceasefire within a 40 km zone.

– UKRAINIAN FOREIGN MINISTER PAVLO KLIMKIN


9 posted on 07/28/2014 6:37:53 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

UKRAINIAN FOREIGN MINISTER PAVLO KLIMKIN

They have their own Baghdad Bob?


10 posted on 07/28/2014 6:46:26 AM PDT by McGruff (If you repeat a lie enough times theuniformed will accept it as the truth.)
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To: McGruff

and FR has you —


11 posted on 07/28/2014 6:48:38 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: McGruff

Didn’t I see a photo this morning of some relatives of the victims strolling through the debris field at crash site - appeared peaceful.


12 posted on 07/28/2014 6:50:49 AM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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this may be irrelevant, but why is there no crater/hole from the impact of said plane??? just a burned spot on said ground. and also looking at pics of the engine at crash site, they don’t appear to match a Rolls Royce Trent 800 Turbo Fan engine that is installed on said Boeing 777

Mike


13 posted on 07/28/2014 6:53:57 AM PDT by MikeinMotley
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To: McGruff

I see no evidence that there is any fighting inside the cease fire zone unless the Russian rebels are firing on their own positions to try to keep the OSCE from the site.

Is that what’s happening???


14 posted on 07/28/2014 6:55:00 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

I see no evidence that there is any fighting inside the cease fire zone


15 posted on 07/28/2014 7:02:17 AM PDT by McGruff (If you repeat a lie enough times theuniformed will accept it as the truth.)
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To: McGruff

I’m sure that the rebels only wish to make sure that the site is safe by first clearing it of Rolexes.


16 posted on 07/28/2014 7:04:14 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (Hillary 2016! Really??? That's Retarded Sir.)
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To: MikeinMotley

Like I said MH17 and TWA800 may end up with alot in common.


17 posted on 07/28/2014 7:04:27 AM PDT by McGruff (If you repeat a lie enough times theuniformed will accept it as the truth.)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

And the Malaysian government officials onsite assisted them?


18 posted on 07/28/2014 7:06:38 AM PDT by McGruff (If you repeat a lie enough times theuniformed will accept it as the truth.)
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To: McGruff

i don’t want to sound like a conspiracy NuT, and i’m sure a lot already think that, but there is a LOT of irregularities and things that don’t match up. just my 2c

Mike


19 posted on 07/28/2014 7:11:38 AM PDT by MikeinMotley
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When will the Russian rebels finish cleaning up the site???

Will they need another week???

Those fake explosions nearby will only fool the Dutch and Aussies and OSCE just so long and then they will see through your subterfuge.

20 posted on 07/28/2014 7:13:11 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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Ukrainian troops "had entered" the towns of Shakhtarsk and Torez and "battles were continuing for the complete liberation" of the towns of Pervomaysk and Snizhne, the press office for the military operation against the insurgents said.

Those towns are all outside Rolex/mascara looting zone, aren't they???

21 posted on 07/28/2014 7:21:39 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Those fake explosions nearby ...

Ok. It's all a conspiracy then by the NY Times, Fox News,...

22 posted on 07/28/2014 7:21:56 AM PDT by McGruff (If you repeat a lie enough times theuniformed will accept it as the truth.)
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To: McGruff
"Explosions were heard, and they were warned by the locals."

Yeh -- warned by the local Russian rebels.

23 posted on 07/28/2014 7:27:49 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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