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Bill to Improve VA Has $17B Price Tag
Newsmax / Ap ^ | July 28, 2014

Posted on 07/28/2014 12:38:46 PM PDT by lilyramone

A bipartisan deal to improve veterans' health care would authorize at least $17 billion to fix the health program scandalized by long patient wait times and falsified records covering up delays, the bill's chief supporters said Monday.

The agreement includes $10 billion in emergency spending to make it easier for veterans who can't get prompt appointments with Veterans Affairs doctors to obtain outside care; $5 billion to hire doctors, nurses and other medical staff; and about $1.5 billion to lease 27 new clinics across the country, the chairmen of the House and Senate Veterans Affairs committees said.

The bill also would expand a scholarship program for veterans to include surviving spouses of military members who died in the line of duty, allow all veterans to qualify for in-state college tuition, and grant the VA secretary authority to immediately fire senior executives, while providing employees with streamlined appeal rights.

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1 posted on 07/28/2014 12:38:46 PM PDT by lilyramone
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To: lilyramone
What more can you say other than "Politicians never let a good crisis go to waste".

Just more hogs at the trough and the taxpayers continue to fill the trough.

2 posted on 07/28/2014 12:45:14 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: lilyramone

Only in government can you screw up, and demand a raise and more authority.

Government is the Peter Principle on steriods.


3 posted on 07/28/2014 12:45:52 PM PDT by Fido969 (What's sad is most)
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To: lilyramone
The solution to the VA mess, which is at least 40 years old and maybe longer, is threefold:

1) Give every veteran a universal platinum health insurance card, good for 80% of charges at any hospital, outpatient/surgery center, or medical office. Acceptance required at UCR -20%, discount mandatory, balance billing forbidden.

2) Close every VA hospital and lay off every administrator and other parasite associated with them.

3) Give academic medical centers now supposedly delivering care to veterans three years of transition funding, set at 75%, 50%, 25% to transition the physicians to practices to treat veterans and to replace their "research" funding which is coming out of veteran's benefits now to competitive funding or philanthropy.

Done. Problem solved.

4 posted on 07/28/2014 12:46:04 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. Hat)
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To: VideoDoctor
Just more hogs at the trough and the taxpayers continue to fill the trough.
It's time to close all the VA health care facilities and start giving out vouchers to vets with service connected problems only.
5 posted on 07/28/2014 12:48:04 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: lilyramone

Like every Federal agency, the solution is to throw a s**tpile of more money at it, kick up some dust, and allow the next gaggle of incompetents to get the grift they have coming.

What was all the money the VA has in their budget and is apparently not spending going for?

We had people fired or embarassed for setting up these fake “delay” lists.

Are there computers that can develop those lists or not? If not, where did those lists come from?

Do they need like a bunch of new potted palms for the lobbies of their facilities?

They had people who failed at their jobs. OK, so you fire those people and replace with other people. Why daoes that take a budget increase?

This is just sick as hell, and every damn politician is bent over backwards scrambling to throw more money at this, while the 11-second attention span of the American people gradually paints the whole thing onto the rearview mirror.


6 posted on 07/28/2014 12:48:56 PM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: lilyramone

Why not just disband the corrupt government run VA and allow the veterans to use vouchers which could be used in the civilian medical industry?


7 posted on 07/28/2014 12:53:29 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: oh8eleven
It's time to close all the VA health care facilities and start giving out vouchers to vets with service connected problems only.

A GOOD sound SENSIBLE idea. Now if we could just find someone at the political level who will see it through and make it a REALITY.

8 posted on 07/28/2014 12:59:33 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: dragnet2

Why not just disband the corrupt government (?)


9 posted on 07/28/2014 12:59:34 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: oh8eleven
It's time to close all the VA health care facilities and start giving out vouchers to vets with service connected problems only.

Totally agree with the vouchers but what about the benefit to all veterans who served? Many join for that life long benefit and should get it for leaving the civilian cushy world and serving.

If ya only handed out med benefits for those injured while in the service, that wouldn't be any different than what workers comp provides to all non-veterans.

Not much of an incentive OR benefit for all those who gave up *years* of their lives to serve.

10 posted on 07/28/2014 1:00:43 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: lilyramone

Good grief! Just split the 17B between the vets. Screw the agency!


11 posted on 07/28/2014 1:02:23 PM PDT by SgtHooper (This is not my tag!)
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To: Jim Noble

Do you think those severely wounded vets would get private insurance with pre-existing conditions?


12 posted on 07/28/2014 1:04:14 PM PDT by ex-snook (God forgives and forgets.)
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To: ex-snook
Do you think those severely wounded vets would get private insurance with pre-existing conditions?

No, and that's not my proposal.

My proposal is to give them insurance and require its acceptance by every health-related business in the country.

I would require that they receive a 20% discount (it's the least we can do) and that the government pay the rest, no questions asked.

I would not ask the existing insurance system to participate in the program.

13 posted on 07/28/2014 1:07:21 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. Hat)
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To: ex-snook
The central problem with the VA system is corruption, because it is feeding many, many mouths with the most tenuous connection - or no connection at all - to the care of veterans.

There is already a functioning (so far) system capable of taking care of all veterans needs - all the government has to do is pay the bills.

14 posted on 07/28/2014 1:13:24 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. Hat)
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To: Don Corleone

Well, I’d settle for just reducing the size and scope of government including the military bureaucrats in D.C./Pentagon.

I’d settle for a 60% cut of all levels of govenrment across the board, outside those actually serving in combat types units, warships etc, and then pass laws forbidding it to increase, ever.

Of course it’s probably too late for that Don since big gov is now the biggest employer in all the land and has more unionized employees than private sector America...

It probably too late and eventually just eats us all alive.


15 posted on 07/28/2014 1:26:08 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: lilyramone

Notice how government fixes for any problem start and end with the expenditure of vast sums of new money.

But rarely is there any accountability, significant reorganization, or correction of the root causes of the problem.

The “Throw More Money At It” solution holds true for republicans and democrats.


16 posted on 07/28/2014 1:27:45 PM PDT by Iron Munro (IRONY)
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To: VideoDoctor

In the private sector, you get fired or go out of business when you screw up. In government, you get showered with billions of extra dollars on top of the billions and billions you already get.


17 posted on 07/28/2014 1:31:35 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: ex-snook
“Do you think those severely wounded vets would get private insurance with pre-existing conditions?”

I assume the proposed “insurance card” would work like a Medicare card, funded by savings from the second proposal, dismantling the VA system.

18 posted on 07/28/2014 1:34:42 PM PDT by riverdawg
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To: dragnet2
Many join for that life long benefit ...
There's never been a "life long benefit" unless you stayed in for at least 20 years. You don't work for (say) AT&T for three years and get "life long benefits."
If the health issue isn't service connected, why should the taxpayers foot the bill? And even more so with the PTSD scam growing at epidemic proportions.
19 posted on 07/28/2014 1:47:56 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Jim Noble

I dont’d know about closing them all. Seems to me it would be smart to consolidate into maybe a dozen regional centers which would handle only military specific injuries like injuries from explosives, burns and chemicals. Funnel everything into the vet’s local hospital and pay the friggin bill.


20 posted on 07/28/2014 1:54:23 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: ex-snook
Do you think those severely wounded vets would get private insurance with pre-existing conditions?

So many veterans have physical, emotional and psychological problems related to their time in war zones. They need medical professionals who are trained and experienced in dealing with their often unique needs. The VA failed them miserably, for sure. But I don't see how them going to doctors who aren't trained in Veteran's care would solve the problem.

Even if they got insurance, I wonder if they'd get the most qualified doctors, or just be in an even worse situation.

21 posted on 07/28/2014 2:03:19 PM PDT by grania
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To: lilyramone

It’s the Socialism, Stupid!


22 posted on 07/28/2014 2:16:05 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (The GOP-e scum enlisted Democrats to steal the Republican primary. The GOP-e can go to Hell.)
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To: lilyramone
The VA is a mess and has been for over 40 years. They declared me dead about 12 years ago and cut my VA benefits. I went to the local VA office and signed a statement saying I was alive and showed two picture IDs. The local VA wasn't authorized to fix the problem. Only the regional center could undo their screw up and they said it would take a year.

The people that I've dealt with at the VA have been great, but the system is screwed up. A lot of the facilities are WWII era buildings that have been poorly maintained.

It takes me 6 months to get an appointment and I have no say in when it is. They send me a letter telling me when the appointment has been scheduled for and a warning that if I don't show up at the appointment time I will have to wait another 6 months to be scheduled.

23 posted on 07/28/2014 2:34:57 PM PDT by Rhinoman (SMSgt, USAF (Ret))
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To: oh8eleven
Totally agree with the vouchers but what about the benefit to all veterans who served? Many join for that life long benefit and should get it for leaving the civilian cushy world and serving.

If ya only handed out med benefits for those injured while in the service, that wouldn't be any different than what workers comp provides to all non-veterans.

Not much of an incentive OR benefit for all those who gave up *years* of their lives to serve.

If the health issue isn't service connected, why should the taxpayers foot the bill? And even more so with the PTSD scam growing at epidemic proportions

Once again, see the bold.

You suggesting veterans who serve, taking years out of their lives, away from civilian life, better paying jobs, at great risk to themselves for you and me, should not at least be afforded VA medical benefits?

24 posted on 07/28/2014 3:04:52 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: oh8eleven

Maybe instead of dumping VA medical benefits for our veterans, you should write your corrupt government representative and tell them to take a 50 percent pay cut in their fat government pensions, end government unions and while they’re at it, secure the borders and end this epic gang rape of the American treasure.


25 posted on 07/28/2014 3:08:00 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: oh8eleven
Considering the massive endless hundreds of billions in corrupt government spending on a routine basis, as the same government betrays our very sovereignty and freedom, then you pop off suggesting taking already substandard benefits away from any of our Veterans, makes you one questionable individual in my mind.

When it comes to this corrupt government, there are endless places to cut in every direction. If ya want I can list them for ya.

26 posted on 07/28/2014 3:19:42 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: lilyramone

Have they fired any of the anti-Vet creeps who allowed Vets to die from neglect??? No, I didn’t think so. Putting more money into what is a management culture problem will only increase that sick culture.


27 posted on 07/28/2014 3:26:39 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: riverdawg

“I assume the proposed “insurance card” would work like a Medicare card, funded by savings from the second proposal, dismantling the VA system”

Well, dismantling the system would save a lot of money, but my proposal might well cost more than the present system.

That doesn’t matter. We owe them and we should pay, cost be damned.


28 posted on 07/28/2014 3:50:45 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. Hat)
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To: Jim Noble

Agreed.


29 posted on 07/28/2014 4:10:05 PM PDT by riverdawg
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To: lilyramone

I doubt they need that much money. What they need is to get rid of the union. A union whose contract ties the hands of management from getting the work done.


30 posted on 07/28/2014 4:26:28 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-hereQaeda" and its allies.)
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To: lilyramone

17 billion to blow on affirmative action hires. YAY.


31 posted on 07/28/2014 4:40:53 PM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: elpadre
What they need is to get rid of the union. A union whose contract ties the hands of management from getting the work done

I have followed the VA for forty years as a medical student, consulting physician, funded researcher, and as a citizen.

I can tell you that the problems at the VA go far, far beyond unionization of the employees.

32 posted on 07/28/2014 4:49:22 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise. Hat)
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"I can tell you that the problems at the VA go far, far beyond unionization of the employees. "

Well said. My use of the VA was for meds only. I was satisfied with the VA. However, there exists many organizations, like wounded warriors, purple heart etc,, which make it appear the VA is underfunded or these supplemental groups would not exist. But it boils down to is no amount of money will help the sad needs of some vets. Being in like company as provided by the specialized VA may provide some support.

33 posted on 07/29/2014 12:36:42 PM PDT by ex-snook (God forgives and forgets.)
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