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Break up the states! The case for the United Statelets of America
Salon ^ | July 28, 2014 | Michael Lind

Posted on 07/29/2014 5:43:20 AM PDT by C19fan

A ballot initiative that would support breaking California into six smaller and more coherent states is being backed by Timothy Draper, a tech investor. It’s a great idea. But why stop with California? Breaking up all of the too-large states would increase both the accountability and efficiency of the U.S. government.

America’s state governments are too big to be democratic and too small to be efficient. Given an adequate tax base, public services like public schools and hospitals, utilities and first responders are best carried out by cities and counties. Most infrastructure is either local or regional or national. Civil rights, including workers’ rights, should be handled at the federal level, to eliminate local pockets of tyranny and exploitation. Social insurance systems are most efficient and equitable when they are purely national, like Social Security and Medicare, and inefficient and inequitable when they are clumsily divided among the federal government and the states, like unemployment insurance, Medicaid and Obamacare.

So what are state governments particularly good at? Nothing, really. They interfere in local government, cripple the federal government, shake down lobbyists and waste taxpayer money.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism
KEYWORDS: communism; states
So the author wants to take the larger states and break them up; for example the proposal to break up CA into 5 or 6 new states. The author does not like states in general and would prefer a much more centralized system like in France or Britain where most decisions are made in Paris or London. The other reason he hints on net breaking up the big states would ensure Democratic dominance of the Senate.

This is hoot:

When the former republic of Texas was admitted to the Union, it should have been admitted as several states, not one.

The reason Texas was not broken up was because all the potential mini-Texas states would be slave states. Just getting Texas into the Union was hard enough and no way the Northern states would allow the creation of multiple slave states. The author is either ignorant of history or thinks his readers are ignorant, probably the later. Multiple TX states would lock in the Slave Power in the Senate and perhaps enough advantage in the electoral college to prevent a GOP POTUS being elected in 1860.

1 posted on 07/29/2014 5:43:20 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: C19fan

I would love for America to be divided into at least two states. The liberals could get the north and the conservatives the south. I don’t know how much longer we can co-exist.


2 posted on 07/29/2014 5:45:26 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: C19fan
Breaking up all of the too-large states would increase both the accountability and efficiency of the U.S. government.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! <gasp> HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Thank You, I needed that.

3 posted on 07/29/2014 5:46:41 AM PDT by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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To: C19fan
Let's see, there would be Mexifornia, Hollywood, Farmville, Buttsexia, Weedistan, and West Nevada.

Any ones I left out?

4 posted on 07/29/2014 5:50:57 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: C19fan

I can see the water wars when Hollywood goes to battle with West Nevada.


5 posted on 07/29/2014 5:52:17 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Yeah because everybody knows there are no conservatives in the north. /s


6 posted on 07/29/2014 5:55:23 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: C19fan

Leave the states alone and break up the federal government.

99% of the problems in the cities and the states begin and end with the bloated, overbearing, life sucking, parasitic federal government.


7 posted on 07/29/2014 5:56:46 AM PDT by Iron Munro (IRONY)
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To: C19fan; ilovesarah2012; yldstrk; cripplecreek
What gets me in this sentence- Civil rights, including workers’ rights, should be handled at the federal level, to eliminate local pockets of tyranny and exploitation. Social insurance systems are most efficient and equitable when they are purely national

WOW!

That could literally be taken from East German Propaganda. Salon isn't hiding their Communism anymore are they?

8 posted on 07/29/2014 5:57:36 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.- Sarah Palin)
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To: Izzy Dunne
Any ones I left out?

The State of Jefferson.

But I think you probably alluded to it as Weedistan.

9 posted on 07/29/2014 5:58:55 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: ilovesarah2012

I like snow too much.


10 posted on 07/29/2014 5:59:09 AM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: cripplecreek

Yeah really! South Dakota here! RED State!


11 posted on 07/29/2014 6:00:37 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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12 posted on 07/29/2014 6:01:27 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: cripplecreek

I am sure there are but I think they are vastly outnumbered.


13 posted on 07/29/2014 6:03:52 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: C19fan

First error in the article is we are not a democracy, second, all this would do is give us more senators, or little kings as one of the founders referred to them as.

Go back to the state houses elect senators.


14 posted on 07/29/2014 6:04:06 AM PDT by stockpirate (This will stop when conservatives take to the streets, not before.)
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To: C19fan
The reason Texas was not broken up was because all the potential mini-Texas states would be slave states.

The reason Texas wasn't 'broken up' was because it was its own Nation and therefore had control over the terms contained in the Petition of Admittance.

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As far as 'breaking up' States in general, goes-

Schemes to subvert the liberties of a great community require time to mature them for execution. An army, so large as seriously to menace those liberties, could only be formed by progressive augmentations; which would suppose, not merely a temporary combination between the legislature and executive, but a continued conspiracy for a series of time. Is it probable that such a combination would exist at all? Is it probable that it would be persevered in, and transmitted along through all the successive variations in a representative body, which biennial elections would naturally produce in both houses? Is it presumable, that every man, the instant he took his seat in the national Senate or House of Representatives, would commence a traitor to his constituents and to his country? Can it be supposed that there would not be found one man, discerning enough to detect so atrocious a conspiracy, or bold or honest enough to apprise his constituents of their danger? If such presumptions can fairly be made, there ought at once to be an end of all delegated authority. The people should resolve to recall all the powers they have heretofore parted with out of their own hands, and to divide themselves into as many States as there are counties, in order that they may be able to manage their own concerns in person.

Alexander Hamilton Federalist #26

(emphasis mine)

15 posted on 07/29/2014 6:05:37 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: C19fan
Dam. I thought Texas was seceding or something.
16 posted on 07/29/2014 6:09:45 AM PDT by McGruff (Ukrainian rebels just want to be free to choose their own destiny. Do you support Freedom?)
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To: C19fan

Hmmm...didn’t Russia say this would happen...

Russian analyst predicts decline and breakup of U.S.
19:31 24/11/2008
http://en.ria.ru/world/20081124/118512713.html

Professor Igor Panarin said in an interview with the respected daily Izvestia published on Monday: “The dollar is not secured by anything. The country’s foreign debt has grown like an avalanche, even though in the early 1980s there was no debt. By 1998, when I first made my prediction, it had exceeded $2 trillion. Now it is more than 11 trillion. This is a pyramid that can only collapse.”

The paper said Panarin’s dire predictions for the U.S. economy, initially made at an international conference in Australia 10 years ago at a time when the economy appeared strong, have been given more credence by this year’s events.

When asked when the U.S. economy would collapse, Panarin said: “It is already collapsing. Due to the financial crisis, three of the largest and oldest five banks on Wall Street have already ceased to exist, and two are barely surviving. Their losses are the biggest in history. Now what we will see is a change in the regulatory system on a global financial scale: America will no longer be the world’s financial regulator.”

When asked who would replace the U.S. in regulating world markets, he said: “Two countries could assume this role: China, with its vast reserves, and Russia, which could play the role of a regulator in Eurasia.”

Asked why he expected the U.S. to break up into separate parts, he said: “A whole range of reasons. Firstly, the financial problems in the U.S. will get worse. Millions of citizens there have lost their savings. Prices and unemployment are on the rise. General Motors and Ford are on the verge of collapse, and this means that whole cities will be left without work. Governors are already insistently demanding money from the federal center. Dissatisfaction is growing, and at the moment it is only being held back by the elections and the hope that Obama can work miracles. But by spring, it will be clear that there are no miracles.”

He also cited the “vulnerable political setup”, “lack of unified national laws”, and “divisions among the elite, which have become clear in these crisis conditions.”

He predicted that the U.S. will break up into six parts - the Pacific coast, with its growing Chinese population; the South, with its Hispanics; Texas, where independence movements are on the rise; the Atlantic coast, with its distinct and separate mentality; five of the poorer central states with their large Native American populations; and the northern states, where the influence from Canada is strong.

He even suggested that “we could claim Alaska - it was only granted on lease, after all.”


17 posted on 07/29/2014 6:10:20 AM PDT by EBH (And the head wound was healed, and Gog became man.)
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To: C19fan

Yeah, sure right. Think 100 states, each with their own state legislatures, laws, regulations, and bureacracies to enforce them. That would make Government grow, vs. shrink. That being said, if any state is a candidate for breakup, CA is—followed by NY and IL.


18 posted on 07/29/2014 6:17:10 AM PDT by rbg81
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To: stockpirate

Repeal the 16th and 17th Amendmends. We did it for prohibition.


19 posted on 07/29/2014 6:25:11 AM PDT by DownInFlames
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To: C19fan

If we are going to start dividing things up lets just start with making the united states two or more countries.

The united states is already much like the former soviet union in that the central Government has almost complete control of the States which is of course contrary to the constitution.

If we want central power and a dictator we do not have to do anything, that is what we already have.


20 posted on 07/29/2014 6:29:18 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: Iron Munro

99% of the problems in the cities and the states begin and end with the bloated, overbearing, life sucking, parasitic federal government.>>>>>>

True.


21 posted on 07/29/2014 6:31:35 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: Izzy Dunne

How would you divide Hollywood and Buttsexia?


22 posted on 07/29/2014 6:51:26 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: ilovesarah2012
I am sure there are but I think they are vastly outnumbered.

That must be why Michigan has a GOP super majority state government including an elected GOP SOS and elected GOP AG, passed an unpassable RTW law etc. Terri Land is back on top in the polls for the senate seat as well.

The simple fact is that if we don't fight for the whole country, we WILL lose the whole country.

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23 posted on 07/29/2014 6:53:20 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: defconw

Yep. It amazes me that conservatives whine about Obama tossing our allies overboard but will turn around and suggest doing the same to millions of allies based on geography.


24 posted on 07/29/2014 6:56:37 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: cripplecreek

Most of this country is RED. It’s the cities that are BLUE, so therefore I think we need to break up the cities. They are just large cesspools any way, by and large.


25 posted on 07/29/2014 6:58:31 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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To: Vigilanteman
How would you divide Hollywood and Buttsexia?

Yeah, that's a tough one. I was thinking San Fransicko would be the capital of Buttsexia, and Los Angeles the capital of Hollywood.

If you have a better idea, lay it on me.

26 posted on 07/29/2014 7:29:47 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: C19fan

The states are the last remaining check on the Feds power, and, even though it has been much diminished by the 16 & 17 amendments, Rick Perry’s call- out of the National Guard, reminds the Feds that it could be resurrected and used against them. Solution: dismantle states completely so that the fed reigns supreme.

This is a trial balloon.


27 posted on 07/29/2014 7:31:52 AM PDT by Red Boots
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To: C19fan
Adding more states by breaking up larger ones would create a situation similar to France with it departments which are little more than divisions of the central government and all decisions are really made in Paris.
28 posted on 07/29/2014 7:52:29 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: DownInFlames

Bingo. The 17th needs to go.


29 posted on 07/29/2014 7:58:15 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: C19fan

What we need is a peaceful separation from the DC bandits. NE proglodytes run the show and none of us share their common goal to enslave the rest of us. Let the blue states or counties unite and form their own country and the red states do likewise. We would be free of the sniveling liberals, the moochers, the queers, and the control freaks.


30 posted on 07/29/2014 8:11:53 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Neoliberalnot

I think there is a fundamental limit to the amount of people who can be governed by OUR system of government effectively. I think that number is around 100 million.

We have 300+ million people right now...

I think we need to split america into three countries...

Pacifica, Atlantica, and Heartland.


31 posted on 07/29/2014 8:18:40 AM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

I would rather see liberal cities walled off from the other areas of the USA. Just think, build a wall around them like the body does to isolate a boil or pustule since that is what some of these DEM controlled cities are.


32 posted on 07/29/2014 8:21:52 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

And it certainly wouldn’t hurt to have more than 1 representative to every 700,000+ population. We stopped adding them in 1911. Why?


33 posted on 07/29/2014 8:38:59 AM PDT by tenger (It's a good thing we don't get all the government we pay for. -Will Rogers)
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To: ilovesarah2012

“So what are state governments particularly good at? Nothing, really. They interfere in local government, cripple the federal government, shake down lobbyists and waste taxpayer money.”

He says crippling the federal govt like that’s a bad thing. LOL!


34 posted on 07/29/2014 8:40:16 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: C19fan

35 posted on 07/29/2014 8:50:02 AM PDT by Dalberg-Acton
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To: cripplecreek

Obama was reelected. That says it all.


36 posted on 07/29/2014 1:20:24 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: C19fan
Breaking up all of the too-large states would increase both the accountability and efficiency of the U.S. government.

This author has it backwards. It's the states to which the federal government should be accountable, not the other way around.

The states were to be the governing bodies of day-to-day laws and civil society. The federal government was only created to oversee interstate issues, the common defense, and foreign affairs on behalf of all the states.

So what are state governments particularly good at? Nothing, really. They interfere in local government, cripple the federal government, shake down lobbyists and waste taxpayer money.

That's because the federal government usurped the natural role of the state governments. Since the passing of the 17th amendment, the states no longer have any control over the federal government.

The federal government takes taxes from the states, then passes unfunded mandates back onto the states, and then makes the states come begging for money from the federal government, money which should have never left the states in the first place.

-PJ

37 posted on 07/29/2014 1:28:39 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
The federal government takes taxes from the states, then passes unfunded mandates back onto the states, and then makes the states come begging for money from the federal government, money which should have never left the states in the first place.

Exactly. The feds use our money to exert control. For instance, Obama will only give Michigan $250 million for infrastructure on this end of the international trade crossing bridge if our governor gives $100 million of it to union pension funds. Its something we could easily fund on our own if it weren't for all the money taken by the feds in the first place.
38 posted on 07/29/2014 1:49:07 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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