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Tesla's Battery Factory Could be Great for a Bankrupt California
Business Insider ^ | 07/29/2014 | Matthee Debord

Posted on 07/29/2014 7:51:31 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Based on reports that have emerged over the past few weeks, it looks like California is back in the running as a location for Tesla's Gigfactory — a massive facility that will build the advanced lithium-ion batteries needed to get the electric carmaker to the next level.

Nevada, Texas, New Mexico — these were the states that appeared to be in a better position to become the Gigafactory's home than California.

But there's been some chatter about Elon Musk and his company potentially taking over an old U.S. Navy facility near San Francisco. And now, according to the Los Angeles Times' Marc Lifsher, the Northern California city of Stockton could also be a candidate.

It's "shaping up as a leading in-state contender," Lifsher wrote.

The arrival of a $5-billion new-economy manufacturing hub, along with its projected 6,000-plus jobs, would be just what the doctor ordered for Stockton. The city, about an hour's drive northeast of Tesla's Fremont, Calif. assembly line, went bankrupt in 2012.


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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: batteryfactory; california; manufacturing; tesla

1 posted on 07/29/2014 7:51:31 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
..... an old U.S. Navy facility near San Francisco...

Moffett Federal Airfield? The old Moffett field? The blimp hangars?

Have they consulted the Google brothers?

2 posted on 07/29/2014 7:54:34 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: SeekAndFind

Ya, but what about the carbon footprint of this place? Will liberals allow it?


3 posted on 07/29/2014 7:55:34 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (s)
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To: SeekAndFind

And CA will bankrupt Tesla Battery Factory.


4 posted on 07/29/2014 7:57:01 AM PDT by tennmountainman (True conservatives don't like being rained on by their own party!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Elon, you’re making a huge mistake....................


5 posted on 07/29/2014 7:57:04 AM PDT by Red Badger (If you compromise with evil, you just get more evil..........................)
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To: SeekAndFind

The pollutants left behind manufacturing will never be allowed to be disposed of in Cali so why build there?


6 posted on 07/29/2014 8:01:30 AM PDT by DCmarcher-976453
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To: SeekAndFind

The recent rumor is that its almost certainly in Nevada. They’ve started breaking ground there already. Nevada plant is close to their CA plant and lithium mines. Right to Work and low taxes and regulation. They likely put the other sites in other states on the back burner for future expansion if needed


7 posted on 07/29/2014 8:04:03 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: SeekAndFind

But what fish, bird, bug, plant or Native American religious site will be irreparably harmed? The EPA will surely find a way to get their two cents worth in.


8 posted on 07/29/2014 8:05:29 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Good luck getting thru the environmental permit/code maze.


9 posted on 07/29/2014 8:06:34 AM PDT by moovova
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To: SeekAndFind

A bankrupt idea for a bankrupt state.


10 posted on 07/29/2014 8:15:06 AM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: SeekAndFind

crony capitalism, the policy of failed states where everyone is punished but the favored few.


11 posted on 07/29/2014 8:17:49 AM PDT by dila813
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12 posted on 07/29/2014 8:21:02 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Red Badger
Elon, you’re making a huge mistake....................

"Elon, Hank Rearden's on line two!" lol

13 posted on 07/29/2014 8:23:04 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Mississippi!)
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To: SeekAndFind

So why don’t they just use their previous plant?


14 posted on 07/29/2014 8:29:52 AM PDT by Grams A (The Sun will rise in the East in the morning and God is still on his throne.)
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To: Red Badger

The TSLA manufacturing plant is already in California. So is Space X and Solar City.


15 posted on 07/29/2014 8:36:15 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Grams A

Tesla manufactures the Model S in Fremont, California, in an assembly plant formerly operated by NUMMI, a defunct joint venture of Toyota and General Motors, now called Tesla Factory. Tesla purchased a stake in the site in May 2010 for US$42 million, and opened the facility in October 2010.

The fact that they are considering sites in OTHER STATES just shows you how prohibitive manufacturing in California has become.


16 posted on 07/29/2014 8:36:52 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (If at first you don't succeed, put it out for beta test.)
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To: Grams A

http://www.teslamotors.com/sites/default/files/blog_attachments/gigafactory.pdf


17 posted on 07/29/2014 8:36:59 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Wyatt's Torch

He must Love paying taxes to irresponsible wastrels.
California was once a pretty nice place to live, I was born there.
Not now, and maybe not ever again.
At some point the California legislature will take everything he has for the good of the ‘people’............................


18 posted on 07/29/2014 8:49:48 AM PDT by Red Badger (If you compromise with evil, you just get more evil..........................)
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To: SeekAndFind
$85K for a car that,with a stiff tailwind,might be able to go 200 miles on a charge and then must stop for hours for another charge? Gimme a break.For much less than half that I have a diesel that can go 700 miles (at 70mph) between “charges” and then can stop at any one of 30,000 “recharging” stations for a 5 minute “recharge”.Then I'm off for another 700 miles.
19 posted on 07/29/2014 9:02:53 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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To: Red Badger

If it happens, it will be a crony capitalist deal on the most favorable terms imaginable.
Tesla wouldn’t even exist without the phony electric car credits mandated by California.
Manufacturers that don’t sell electric cars pay Musk for the privilege to sell regular cars in Cali.


20 posted on 07/29/2014 9:06:51 AM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: moovova
“Good luck getting thru the environmental permit/code maze.”

Sorry, you are confused. Here in California if you label anything green (or marijuana) the normal EPA Nazi's don't care. You could be poring hydrochloric acid into the water supply of a community or erecting hundreds of endangered bird species killing windmills but if you call yourself “green” or “natural”, well then my friend, you get a pass

21 posted on 07/29/2014 9:18:11 AM PDT by Cyman (We have to pass it to see what's in it= definition of stool sample)
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To: Grams A
So why don’t they just use their previous plant?

They outgrew it with the rise in demand for their product.

22 posted on 07/29/2014 9:18:20 AM PDT by PlasticMan
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To: SeekAndFind
will build the advanced lithium-ion batteries

Sounds scary to me. The enviros will never allow it.

23 posted on 07/29/2014 9:41:38 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: Gay State Conservative

“$85K for a car that,with a stiff tailwind,might be able to go 200 miles on a charge and then must stop for hours for another charge? Gimme a break.For much less than half that I have a diesel that can go 700 miles (at 70mph) between “charges” and then can stop at any one of 30,000 “recharging” stations for a 5 minute “recharge”.Then I’m off for another 700 miles. “

On one level, I am with you. My driving needs mandate a range and refueling time that the Tesla doesn’t meet. That said, here in the Bay Area, Teslas are all over the place, because for the hoy paloy that buy them, they offer luxury transportation to and from the office. They are replacing the BMW’s and Merc’s here for a lot of execs. I live in an East Bay “bedroom community,”and I could drive downtown right now and see at least one or two of them on the streets, and that’s when the menfolk have already driven theirs to SF or the Silicon Valley to work. BTW, the fit and finish on the Tesla is as good as or better than any car you can buy today and they are all aluminum. When will you see the US automakers switch to aluminum to save weight? Probably never!


24 posted on 07/29/2014 9:54:11 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: SeekAndFind

Imagine the massive pollution these batteries will cause.
See Canada city of Sudbury wasteland that has a battery company polluting everything.

Toyota Prius pollution.
http://www.greenhybrid.com/discuss/f22/toyota-factory-turns-landscape-arid-wasteland-11994/

How hybrid cars pollute
http://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/everyday-myths/does-hybrid-car-production-waste-offset-hybrid-benefits1.htm

Hummer beats a hybrid when it comes to ‘going green.
http://www.kimatv.com/news/local/7636701.html


25 posted on 07/29/2014 9:58:15 AM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: Gay State Conservative
Considering that 98% of commutes are less than 25 miles, the 200 mile standard is a red herring:


26 posted on 07/29/2014 11:02:42 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: nascarnation

States do favorable tax deals all the time to attract industry. Alabama did for Boeing and Mercedes. South Carolina did for BMW. Georgia did for Kia.


27 posted on 07/29/2014 11:05:49 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Wyatt's Torch

Tax abatments for industry is one thing.
Fake electric car credits and cap and trade is something else.


28 posted on 07/29/2014 11:07:34 AM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: nascarnation

Pretty sure they are real credits... As with all tax credits, they are done to drive behavior. Mortgage tax credit, child care tax credit, energy efficient electric water heaters, windows, etc. etc. etc. Nothing new here.


29 posted on 07/29/2014 11:41:15 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: SeekAndFind

Is that in Nine Mile Point, CA?


30 posted on 07/29/2014 11:45:58 AM PDT by McGruff (Was George Bush a Putinista?)
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To: Wyatt's Torch
Considering that 98% of commutes are less than 25 miles, the 200 mile standard is a red herring:

My comments may not apply to some but they certainly apply to me.At least 90% of my miles are driven at 70mph and my typical trip (which I make often) is 70 miles.However,it's not unusual for me to drive I-90/I-91 and I-95 to NYC...a trip of about 200 miles.

To me buying an $85K car mainly for a 10 mile round trip to the office is silly.

31 posted on 07/29/2014 12:08:25 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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To: Wyatt's Torch

Who collected the data for that slick chart?

And how was it collected? Data recorders or surveys?


32 posted on 07/29/2014 12:14:41 PM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Wyatt's Torch

I agree if that’s the way Californians want to have their laws, so be it.

But $130 million of Tesla’s income in 2013 was “greenmail” payments from other companies that sell non-electric vehicles in California.


33 posted on 07/29/2014 12:16:30 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: Covenantor

From Census Bureau Travel and Demographics Study


34 posted on 07/29/2014 12:18:30 PM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Cyman

I never looked at it like that...but, that sounds par for the course out there. Such a pretty state, too.


35 posted on 07/29/2014 2:27:14 PM PDT by moovova
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To: Wyatt's Torch

Thanks. Can I then assume the data are derived from survey questions, yes?


36 posted on 07/29/2014 4:37:12 PM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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