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Poll: 69% of Americans think the border kids should stay if itís not safe for them to return home
Hotair ^ | 07/29/2014 | AllahPundit

Posted on 07/29/2014 9:49:48 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

In case you’ve been wondering why Democrats have been pounding the idea so hard that this is a “refugee” crisis at the border, not an “illegal immigration” crisis, here’s what happens when people are asked which statement comes closest to their view:

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In fact, under current U.S. law, the kids don’t qualify as “refugees.” That’s one of the sticking points in the White House’s proposal to send envoys to Honduras and start processing asylum applications there: How can we grant “refugee” status to someone who’s fleeing street gangs, not racial/religious/political persecution? If this result is accurate, the public doesn’t much care. Danger, at least with respect to kids, may be sufficient to move someone from the “illegal” column to the “refugee” category. What the limiting principle on that is for future waves of illegal border crossings, I have no idea.

How much should we trust this data, though? Here’s another result from the same poll that suggests people are … “conflicted,” I guess, is a nice way to put it.

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Sixty-nine percent think the kids should stay if it’s not safe for them to go home and 71 percent completely or mostly agree that we should shelter anyone who’s facing danger in their native country, but 59 percent think we shouldn’t let the kids stay lest it encourage further illegal immigration. Okay then. Also, my pal Karl notes on Twitter that other polls seem to contradict the “let them stay” result here. From Pew:

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The difference there could be a product of how the question is phrased: There’s no mention of “refugees” or, more importantly, the physical danger kids might face if sent home, but the reference to asylum at least suggests it. Or maybe it doesn’t contradict the result above as much as we might think. People are willing to see some refugees deported in the name of expediting the kids’ cases, but maybe they’d still support asylum for most, especially if you stressed that it’s not safe in Central America.

Karl also points to this CNN result:

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CNN got that result even though, when asked whether most of the kids are refugees or illegal immigrants, 51 percent said the former comes closer to their view versus 45 percent who said the latter. That same poll also found a general trend towards security: Whereas in the past most Americans thought legalizing illegals should be the main focus should be on legalizing illegals who are already here, 51 percent now say security should be the focus.

Any theories on how all of this squares? I’m always open to “one poll’s an outlier” but my hunch is that it’s case of public opinion responding to the right terminology. The more sympathetic you make the situation — the kids are “refugees,” they’re uniformly young waifs, they’re leaving because of violence — the better the numbers will be. The truth, that many kids are teenagers or are traveling with moms who say they’re fleeing poverty, not violence, doesn’t play as well.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; bordercrisis; borderkids; illegal; immigration

1 posted on 07/29/2014 9:49:48 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Forget the kids, already ... ms13 has invaded and is recruiting


2 posted on 07/29/2014 9:51:39 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: SeekAndFind

People also vote for their own executioners.


3 posted on 07/29/2014 9:51:58 AM PDT by headstamp 2
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To: SeekAndFind

I thought that the USA was a very dangerous place due to our lax gun laws? That you were more likely to be shot here than any other “advanced” country?

Now it’s a safe haven from violence. How interesting.


4 posted on 07/29/2014 9:52:25 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: All

69% of democrats think....

there...fixed it...


5 posted on 07/29/2014 9:54:18 AM PDT by Boonie
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To: SeekAndFind

It is not safe for America or Americans to allow them to stay. It will give MS13 effective control of a number of American cities and will multiply the drug trade and attendant violence everywhere in the country. The Cartels are right behind them and are using MS13 as a wedge.


6 posted on 07/29/2014 9:55:03 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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To: SeekAndFind; All

IOW, “69% of Americans” approve of breaking Federal Law.


7 posted on 07/29/2014 9:56:27 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: SeekAndFind
To personally guarantee residence, medical care etc. for these children.

How many volunteers?

Could it be claimed, that the number of kind souls would be considerably less than 69%?

8 posted on 07/29/2014 9:56:56 AM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: SeekAndFind

The American public can be unthinking suckers at times. They get a question like “do you want to send toddlers back to be executed by Central American drug gangs?” and the answer is “no.” But no one thinks about the premise behind the question or whether it has any basis in reality. They don’t think it through. Then they bitch and whine when epidemics break out as a result of diseases these people bring in, or the school systems are overloaded with kids who don’t share Middle Class US values, or because the Welfare rolls swell up and government spending goes through the roof.


9 posted on 07/29/2014 9:57:52 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s the teddy bear and soccer ball narrative that sticks.
Where is your compassion?


10 posted on 07/29/2014 9:58:16 AM PDT by Zuse (I am disrupted! I am offended! I am insulted! I am outraged!)
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To: SeekAndFind
69% are touchy feely and haven't a clue as to the consequences or strain on local govts-schools, welfare, hospitals, etc.

They didn't just flunk logic 101, they never heard of logic.

Give these children medical care and food, and when they are able to travel,sent them home. They are only 12 to 14% of the influx, anyway. So if there are 90000 children, how many MS-13 gang age teens and adults are there?

vaudine

11 posted on 07/29/2014 10:02:02 AM PDT by vaudine
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To: SeekAndFind

If it’s a CNN poll then it is contrived and has no validity.


12 posted on 07/29/2014 10:02:07 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Peter Libra
Whoops!.Should read.

To personally guarantee residence, medical care etc. for JUST ONE of these children.

13 posted on 07/29/2014 10:02:14 AM PDT by Peter Libra
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To: Zuse

Compassion?

Shove them all back across the border, at gunpoint if necessary.

If they die, too bad; their parents/government made a poor choice.

I don’t give a shit about them, their kids, their culture or their country. We owe them NOTHING.


14 posted on 07/29/2014 10:04:27 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: SeekAndFind

.....and I’m sure they’re willing to put them up in their homes, right next to their daughters’ rooms.


15 posted on 07/29/2014 10:05:14 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Peter Libra

When has the WH ever told the truth uring this administration except when he promised “change”?


16 posted on 07/29/2014 10:05:14 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Graewoulf

Well, there you have it. We no longer have an moral argument for paying taxes, obeying federal regulations, refraining from burning our neighbors’ house down because we can. We are a country of the powerful, not a country of laws.


17 posted on 07/29/2014 10:07:13 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Zuse



18 posted on 07/29/2014 10:07:58 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill ...)
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To: SeekAndFind

democrat propaganda shoots America through the heart once more. What better way to kill America than with a shot to the heart of America?


19 posted on 07/29/2014 10:07:59 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, if these kids aren’t safe in their home countries, turn them loose in Chicago on a weekend. Bet they’ll be begging to go back home.


20 posted on 07/29/2014 10:08:26 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: SeekAndFind

Since the safety issue, is a canard ship them out. Now.


21 posted on 07/29/2014 10:10:02 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes EVERYTHING)
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To: SeekAndFind

It just goes to show.. apply the right imagery and propaganda, and you can get Americans to agree to their own destruction.


22 posted on 07/29/2014 10:10:17 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If it doesn't include border security, it isn't "reform." It's called "amnesty.")
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To: demshateGod

I say we find some G4S drivers and pay them several thousands of dollars each to deliver them to the neighborhoods of the pro-Amnesty politicians neighborhoods. I’m sure Nanccy Pelosi, Ianne Feinstein, Barbara Boxer, Harry Reid, Jeb Bush, et al won’t mind.


23 posted on 07/29/2014 10:10:35 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: RJS1950

I was thinking about that in regards to the bombing of Gaza. If the Palis don’t care about their kids, why should Israel care more about them? Israel should care more about Israeli kids. Americans should care more about their kids. If the scum in Central America are willing to sacrifice their kids to become members of our welfare state, why should we offer more compassion than their own parents and thereby exceed the compassion we have for our own kids?


24 posted on 07/29/2014 10:10:56 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Mob rule?

We have laws. They want us to rule by media run polls

67% vs 11% in a poll published yesterday want the kids to go

So. Let’s focus on the rule of law or go through proper channels to change

And anyone answering the poll must be asked to take on assimilating clothing educating feeding and sheltering at least one. And for life, like any other parenting responsibility


25 posted on 07/29/2014 10:11:25 AM PDT by stanne
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To: Zuse

How do we become responsible for the children of another country? Do these people actually think that this is a good idea. If so when does it stop and who is going to care for them? I don’t see these idiots coming forward to accept the children into their home,


26 posted on 07/29/2014 10:11:32 AM PDT by JayAr36 (o)
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To: demshateGod

Lock and Load, my FRiend, Lock and Load - - - .


27 posted on 07/29/2014 10:12:09 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Using government justice dept statistics for their demographic, extrapolate the number of robberies, break ins, murders and drunk driving deaths likely to be committed by these “children” and then ask Americans the same question.


28 posted on 07/29/2014 10:12:10 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: ScottinVA

It just goes to show if you manufacture fake poll results or take the poll in an all Hispanic or minority neighborhood you can always tell people what they should think...


29 posted on 07/29/2014 10:13:06 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: SeekAndFind

Assimilators vs. Agitators. The latter need kicked out, and that includes some who are already citizens. The last thing we need is another Community Organizer, let alone a raftload.


30 posted on 07/29/2014 10:13:27 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (Even the compassion of the wicked is cruel.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Slave labor is here. Put them to work cleaning up Detroit and building a better fence. No voting until proper recourse made for those who have entered our land “on a bad foot” (illegally).


31 posted on 07/29/2014 10:16:06 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (Even the compassion of the wicked is cruel.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Just get ready for a whole lot more of this. Bolivia just lowered its child labor age to 10. Every Libtard in the US is gonna be on a mission...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/bolivia/10945253/Bolivia-sanctions-child-labour-as-young-as-10.html


32 posted on 07/29/2014 10:16:31 AM PDT by ameribbean expat
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To: SeekAndFind

What if there is a flotilla of refugees from any other country in the world. If they make it to our shores are they welcome? Lots of starving people from African and middle eastern countries. Maybe 100 boat loads of 3-4,000 each could survive the journey. (With Obama help of course).


33 posted on 07/29/2014 10:22:48 AM PDT by sanjuanbob
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To: SeekAndFind
"If US Authorities determine that it is not safe to return home"

What's the betting line that this will equal 100% of the little Husseins (aka bastards)?

34 posted on 07/29/2014 10:27:46 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (I want 0bama to make history - First to be IMPEACHED and REMOVED!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Every child should stay, as long as those families who believe so are willing to send one of THEIR children to take his place! That will put a QUICK end to it!


35 posted on 07/29/2014 10:32:59 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: SeekAndFind

We really need to break apart into two countries.


36 posted on 07/29/2014 10:54:55 AM PDT by freedomson (Tagline comment removed by moderator)
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To: SeekAndFind

It is safe for them to go home, this is a made up crisis, right out of the Oval Office. Nobody is walking 1400 miles from Honduras to Texas. Nobody!
Your tax dollars are paying for train rides, busses, and charted airlines.
They are coming because of advertisements in newspapers, radio and posters are promising a free ride in America,
They are not escaping violence. The violence comes from the gangs along the way, beatings, robberies and rape.
This is Obamas doing and it must be stopped, somehow.


37 posted on 07/29/2014 11:08:30 AM PDT by reefdiver (Be the Best you can be Whatever you Dream to be)
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To: SeekAndFind

Where did they find the people to poll? At a Demotard convention?


38 posted on 07/29/2014 11:26:58 AM PDT by EinNYC
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To: SeekAndFind

69% of which Americans? Nobody asked me, though admittedly their phones and heads would no doubt explode from my response if the ever did.


39 posted on 07/29/2014 12:08:23 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ask the right question, “Should they be sent back if the children are teenagers connected with gangs that have robbed, raped and murdered?”

80% of the “children” are teenagers.


40 posted on 07/29/2014 3:39:08 PM PDT by Titus-Maximus (It doesn't matter who votes for whom, it only matters who counts the votes - Joe Stalin)
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