Posted on 07/29/2014 9:49:48 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
In case you’ve been wondering why Democrats have been pounding the idea so hard that this is a “refugee” crisis at the border, not an “illegal immigration” crisis, here’s what happens when people are asked which statement comes closest to their view:
In fact, under current U.S. law, the kids don’t qualify as “refugees.” That’s one of the sticking points in the White House’s proposal to send envoys to Honduras and start processing asylum applications there: How can we grant “refugee” status to someone who’s fleeing street gangs, not racial/religious/political persecution? If this result is accurate, the public doesn’t much care. Danger, at least with respect to kids, may be sufficient to move someone from the “illegal” column to the “refugee” category. What the limiting principle on that is for future waves of illegal border crossings, I have no idea.
How much should we trust this data, though? Here’s another result from the same poll that suggests people are … “conflicted,” I guess, is a nice way to put it.
Sixty-nine percent think the kids should stay if it’s not safe for them to go home and 71 percent completely or mostly agree that we should shelter anyone who’s facing danger in their native country, but 59 percent think we shouldn’t let the kids stay lest it encourage further illegal immigration. Okay then. Also, my pal Karl notes on Twitter that other polls seem to contradict the “let them stay” result here. From Pew:
The difference there could be a product of how the question is phrased: There’s no mention of “refugees” or, more importantly, the physical danger kids might face if sent home, but the reference to asylum at least suggests it. Or maybe it doesn’t contradict the result above as much as we might think. People are willing to see some refugees deported in the name of expediting the kids’ cases, but maybe they’d still support asylum for most, especially if you stressed that it’s not safe in Central America.
Karl also points to this CNN result:
CNN got that result even though, when asked whether most of the kids are refugees or illegal immigrants, 51 percent said the former comes closer to their view versus 45 percent who said the latter. That same poll also found a general trend towards security: Whereas in the past most Americans thought legalizing illegals should be the main focus should be on legalizing illegals who are already here, 51 percent now say security should be the focus.
Any theories on how all of this squares? I’m always open to “one poll’s an outlier” but my hunch is that it’s case of public opinion responding to the right terminology. The more sympathetic you make the situation — the kids are “refugees,” they’re uniformly young waifs, they’re leaving because of violence — the better the numbers will be. The truth, that many kids are teenagers or are traveling with moms who say they’re fleeing poverty, not violence, doesn’t play as well.
Forget the kids, already ... ms13 has invaded and is recruiting
People also vote for their own executioners.
I thought that the USA was a very dangerous place due to our lax gun laws? That you were more likely to be shot here than any other “advanced” country?
Now it’s a safe haven from violence. How interesting.
69% of democrats think....
there...fixed it...
It is not safe for America or Americans to allow them to stay. It will give MS13 effective control of a number of American cities and will multiply the drug trade and attendant violence everywhere in the country. The Cartels are right behind them and are using MS13 as a wedge.
IOW, “69% of Americans” approve of breaking Federal Law.
How many volunteers?
Could it be claimed, that the number of kind souls would be considerably less than 69%?
The American public can be unthinking suckers at times. They get a question like “do you want to send toddlers back to be executed by Central American drug gangs?” and the answer is “no.” But no one thinks about the premise behind the question or whether it has any basis in reality. They don’t think it through. Then they bitch and whine when epidemics break out as a result of diseases these people bring in, or the school systems are overloaded with kids who don’t share Middle Class US values, or because the Welfare rolls swell up and government spending goes through the roof.
It’s the teddy bear and soccer ball narrative that sticks.
Where is your compassion?
They didn't just flunk logic 101, they never heard of logic.
Give these children medical care and food, and when they are able to travel,sent them home. They are only 12 to 14% of the influx, anyway. So if there are 90000 children, how many MS-13 gang age teens and adults are there?
vaudine
If it’s a CNN poll then it is contrived and has no validity.
To personally guarantee residence, medical care etc. for JUST ONE of these children.
Compassion?
Shove them all back across the border, at gunpoint if necessary.
If they die, too bad; their parents/government made a poor choice.
I don’t give a shit about them, their kids, their culture or their country. We owe them NOTHING.
.....and I’m sure they’re willing to put them up in their homes, right next to their daughters’ rooms.
When has the WH ever told the truth uring this administration except when he promised “change”?
Well, there you have it. We no longer have an moral argument for paying taxes, obeying federal regulations, refraining from burning our neighbors’ house down because we can. We are a country of the powerful, not a country of laws.
democrat propaganda shoots America through the heart once more. What better way to kill America than with a shot to the heart of America?
Well, if these kids aren’t safe in their home countries, turn them loose in Chicago on a weekend. Bet they’ll be begging to go back home.
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