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California vs. Texas: Which model is shape of the future?
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Posted on 07/29/2014 2:31:02 PM PDT by TigerClaws

After six decades of doing business in California, Toyota is moving its North American headquarters to Texas. That means 3,000 of the carmaker's jobs will be leaving Torrance and going to Plano, perhaps convincing California officials they should stop Texas Gov. Rick Perry at the border the next time he attempts to come to the Golden State for another raid on businesses.

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Sadly the liberal Californians bring their misguided politics with them to Texas and continue to vote Democrat. Truly it's a mental disease to both leave a dying state because of liberalism and yet cling to that same ideology that enslaved the place the left.

This is not dissimilar to the Muslims coming to the U.S. who don't cast away the chains of the religion that created the hell hole they left.

1 posted on 07/29/2014 2:31:02 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: TigerClaws

Obama is letting in enough Latinos that for the most part vote Dem into Arizona and Texas. That is the plan.


2 posted on 07/29/2014 2:32:56 PM PDT by mfish13 (Elections have Consequences.)
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To: TigerClaws

With freight trains full of illegals driving into Texas, escorted by DHS, they’ll have no problem getting that dirt cheap illegal labor!

A win win...


3 posted on 07/29/2014 2:35:40 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: mfish13

Bingo!


4 posted on 07/29/2014 2:36:00 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: TigerClaws
Your criticism misses the mark.

CA went from a swing state to solid democrat for the same reasons Texas is turning from red into a swing state - foreign immigration. Thanks to decades of media lies the world believe the GOP is the party of white racists, as do the vast majority of those entering the cow ntry from the third world.

5 posted on 07/29/2014 2:37:31 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: TigerClaws

California IS Texas’ future if Texans aren’t careful.


6 posted on 07/29/2014 2:38:08 PM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: TigerClaws

American Judeo-Christianity, communism or islam. There is no third possibility.


7 posted on 07/29/2014 2:41:16 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: skeeter

Not exactly, California was never as “truly” conservative as Texas, it was merely republican, and Texas isn’t becoming a “swing state” judging from election results.


8 posted on 07/29/2014 2:42:34 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: TigerClaws

All I can say is that, in either case, teach your kids Spanish.


9 posted on 07/29/2014 2:52:29 PM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: skeeter
Clearly foreigners from third world countries, voting for the same thing that destroyed the countries they came from has a lot to do with California's situation, but you can't overlook the fact California is home to a third of the Nation's welfare recipients. We attract takers, and export producers.

On a side note, I went to the Orange County Fair last weekend, and there was a really nice looking information display promoting Texas. I didn't go into it, but no other state was present.

10 posted on 07/29/2014 2:53:18 PM PDT by Yogafist
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To: TigerClaws

California is more like the whole US though, which is sad


11 posted on 07/29/2014 2:54:28 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: demshateGod
Texas has no choice. They will become California when the Latino majority is old enough to vote.
12 posted on 07/29/2014 2:54:59 PM PDT by Dagnabitt (Amnesty is Treason. Its agents are Traitors.)
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To: TigerClaws

Depends if we’re talking about an Uncle Sam future or an Aldous Huxley future.


13 posted on 07/29/2014 2:55:34 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Little Ray

I wish I could speak Spanish. Here in Texas I’m surrounded in my neighborhood and city. It’s hard for an old person to learn a new language.


14 posted on 07/29/2014 3:08:29 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: TigerClaws

With Obama’s impending legalization of at least 5 million illegals on the near horizon, California is the nation’s future.


15 posted on 07/29/2014 3:08:32 PM PDT by ScottinVA (If it doesn't include border security, it isn't "reform." It's called "amnesty.")
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To: TigerClaws

I expect one of these days to see California put up a concrete wall around its borders to keep the inhabitants from escaping its Socialist paradise.


16 posted on 07/29/2014 3:09:34 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: TigerClaws

On the future of Industry on the coast:

“Nothing but the dead and dying in California!”


17 posted on 07/29/2014 3:12:14 PM PDT by PATRIOT1876
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To: mfish13
Obama is letting in enough Latinos that for the most part vote Dem into Arizona and Texas. That is the plan.

The democrats are conducting the sociopolitical version of terraforming.

18 posted on 07/29/2014 3:13:16 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Dagnabitt

You are comparing apples to oranges and drawing a straight line, Texas and California are’t the same, and never have been.

Texas lives and passes laws and controls it’s culture and education system as though it does have a choice, and it shows in the effect that immigration has been allowed to have on the two different states.

California and Texas had two different base populations when immigration exploded on them, even when voting republican, California was famous for being socially liberal and not socially conservative or Evangelical.


20 posted on 07/29/2014 3:17:28 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12

California clearly was a swing state before Simpson Mazzoli was passed. Conservative Texas will follow if current demographic trends hold up.


21 posted on 07/29/2014 3:19:05 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: TigerClaws

.... Liberals/Progressives do not have the capability to understand the concept of cause and effect ..... they are driven purely by emotion and feelings.


22 posted on 07/29/2014 3:20:32 PM PDT by R_Kangel ( "A Nation of Sheep ..... Will Beget ..... a Nation Ruled by Wolves.")
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To: TigerClaws

Chevron’s headquarters is in San Ramon, CA (Bay Area) and they are moving most, but not all of their corp functions to Texas. Things like IT, purchasing, HR, finance etc.

Giving the finger to Sacramento they are...


23 posted on 07/29/2014 3:23:15 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: skeeter

You can tell yourself that Texans and Californians are the same, but they aren’t and that has already been proven, according to you Texas should have already turned blue, yet it is becoming more conservative.

Texas is not passive, and not already half there as California was, before the 1965 Immigration Act kicked in by the 1970s.

I didn’t say that California didn’t used to be republican, I said that is all they were republican, they were not conservative, they were already famous for being social liberals and non-Evangelical.


24 posted on 07/29/2014 3:29:45 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12
I never said California was as conservative as Texas, nor did I say Californians and Texans were the same.

What I said was both states are subject to basically the same demographic changes which will result in the same basic political trends.

Go ahead & deny it if you want, but its seems clear to most everyone else.

25 posted on 07/29/2014 3:31:55 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: TigerClaws

Surprisingly balanced article for an author that works for the LA Slimes.


26 posted on 07/29/2014 3:35:07 PM PDT by upchuck (It's a shame nobama truly doesn't care about any of this. Our country, our future, he doesn't care.)
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To: ansel12

If Texas wants to save itself from the train wreck that is California, they need to start cutting every form of non-retirement entitlement in order to drive the non-working class parasites out of the state to the more generous states, like California.

This is a two-fer. It saves Texas from being overwhelmed by the gimme class and speeds the demise of states like California, since the leeches will migrate to where they can get more gimmee’s...


27 posted on 07/29/2014 3:36:28 PM PDT by CarmichaelPatriot
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To: skeeter

Something that people need to realize, is that the degree of conservatism makes a difference.

That is why Texas is not already like California.

Texas fights for Texas, and fights for it’s voters, and fights for things like teaching Texas pride in it’s schools and maintaining a more conservative, Christian friendly state

Right now Texas already proves that it isn’t California as it moves right instead of left, after decades of immigration and having the same percentage of Hispanics as California.

It will continue to fight for it’s future, and to convert immigrants and have a stronger divide between conservatism and the democrat party, something that California didn’t have.


28 posted on 07/29/2014 3:42:13 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: CarmichaelPatriot

I don’t know what it is like today, but for generations, Texas was famous for lousy welfare, while I witnessed people moving to California for the welfare, as long ago as the 1960s.


29 posted on 07/29/2014 3:44:02 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: TigerClaws

Many are forecasting that Texas will follow California in demographic trends, namely Hispanic population growth.

One thing that no one seems to be talking about though is the conservatism of Texas Hispanics.

I suspect Hispanic Texans are more conservative than Hispanic Californians.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Hispanic Texans voted for barack in lower numbers compared to Hispanic Californians.

Texas attracts conservative people, and this may include conservative Hispanics.


30 posted on 07/29/2014 4:00:25 PM PDT by Vision Thing (obama wants his suicidal worshipers to become suicidal bombers.)
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To: Vision Thing

They also forget that Texas and California have EXACTLY the same percentage of Hispanics.


31 posted on 07/29/2014 4:03:08 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: TigerClaws

With millions of illegals walking into Texas, your big worry is California. LOL

Keep it up. Take your eyes off the real problem Give us a call in California in a decade when you’re just like us.

How do you think California got this way? Federal inaction on illegal immigration hit us first, as our border were breached in mass. Now it’s your turn.

We’ll see how this turns out for you with federal dollars and growing state programs out of self-defense gang up on those who truly want this to stop.

Good luck.


32 posted on 07/29/2014 4:46:37 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Think how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are stupider than that.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Apparently their illegals aren’t like our illegals.


33 posted on 07/29/2014 4:49:49 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter; DoughtyOne
Apparently their illegals aren’t like our illegals.

Actually they aren't, and they are not moving into the same receptive liberal greenhouse that California is and was, and Texas and California already have the same exact percentage of Hispanics.

I don't know why you guys seem to think that Texas isn't on the same border as California.

34 posted on 07/29/2014 5:08:06 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: skeeter

LOL, well someone is going to get an education...


35 posted on 07/29/2014 5:09:51 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Think how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are stupider than that.)
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Then Ansel, guess what, you have the same damned problem we do. You’re schools are overrun by the children of illegals. Some of your schools are 90% the children of illegal immigrants. They kids state and federal tax dollars. Their parents are a drain on the system.

As these segments grow, guess who they vote for. This will soon be out of your hands.

Your comments about segments are just a hoot. Do you have any idea how many off the book people we have in California?

Yes it’s the same border, but certain sections of the border are favored for illegal crossings. For many years it was California. Then it moved to Arizona and New Mexico. Now Texas seems to be the favored spot.

Enjoy my friend. Watch as vast regions of your area turn into Mexico. It’s going to happen. Until there is enforcement, this segment will explode.

As it does, guess which direction your self-governing body goes.


36 posted on 07/29/2014 5:15:47 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Think how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are stupider than that.)
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To: DoughtyOne

You are comparing apples to oranges and drawing a straight line, Texas and California are’t the same, and never have been.

Texas lives and passes laws and controls it’s culture and education system as though it does have a choice, and it shows in the effect that immigration has been allowed to have on the two different states.

California and Texas had two different base populations when immigration exploded on them, even when voting republican, California was famous for being socially liberal and not socially conservative or Evangelical.

That is why they are not both blue already.


37 posted on 07/29/2014 5:18:31 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: TigerClaws

In Texas, Jarrett and her puppet are just “punishing their enemies”.


38 posted on 07/29/2014 5:22:20 PM PDT by motor_racer (Who will bell the cat?)
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To: ansel12

So Texas doesn’t allow the children of illegal immigrants to attend school. Wow. How did you get away with that? How did you get the federal government to back off enforced attendance for matching federal funds?

How did you get the federal government to suspend their programs for housing, health care, and aid to families with dependent children?

How did your hospitals avoid having to eat the costs of their emergency room and general care costs for illegal immigrants?

Do you realize how much of this is out of your state’s hands? This is taking place, and you don’t even know it.


39 posted on 07/29/2014 5:25:07 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Think how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are stupider than that.)
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To: DoughtyOne

The problem with your ignoring the facts is, Texas is a clearly a red state, and California’s natural liberalism made it a pushover for turning blue.

Until you look at how the two states can have the same percentage of Hispanics, and be so totally different, by looking back into who the core population is then you won’t be able to understand why Texas and California are so opposite in 2014.

Fifty years ago California was famous for it’s social liberalism and being moderate, Texas was famous for it’s social conservatism and being right wing, and after 50 years of the two different populations dealing with immigration problems from Mexico, that difference explains a lot.


40 posted on 07/29/2014 5:33:39 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12

Thanks Ansel, then illegal immigration is not problem at all for Texas. LMAO Thank you for that testimonial.


41 posted on 07/29/2014 5:36:29 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Think how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are stupider than that.)
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To: DoughtyOne

There is no benefit in you making up lies and fake positions and being childish.


42 posted on 07/29/2014 5:44:41 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12
Ansel, DO's point concerning federal economic & social incentives - the same ones available here in CA - is a good one - and I haven't seen you answer it.

Illegals are flooding into your state - I doubt that a few years in a Texas school will suddenly have all of these immigrants remembering the Alamo.

IMO blood has proven thicker than water where the contemporary politics of race are concerned. You're whistling past the graveyard - if something is not done Texas will indeed be lost.

43 posted on 07/29/2014 5:50:11 PM PDT by skeeter
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Ansel, you are refusing to admit you have a serious problem. The issues I have listed to you are out of your states control. You are aimply mis-informed.

You can deflect all you like. It doesn’t change what is taking place in your state.

Calling me a liar isn’t going to change it.

Your state tax dollars are being drained to pay for the education of illegal immigrant children. That means less tax dollars are available for the children of citizens.

Your hospitals are under extreme fiscal pressure due to the services they provide to people who don’t pay.

If you wish to deny this is taking place, that’s okay. Everyone knows it is. You are folling nobody but yourself here.


44 posted on 07/29/2014 5:50:46 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Think how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are stupider than that.)
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To: ansel12

The former.


45 posted on 07/29/2014 5:56:20 PM PDT by bicyclerepair (The zombies here elected alcee hastings. TERM LIMITS ... TERM LIMITS)
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To: TigerClaws

What scares me is that Californians leave for other states (like Colo) and turn them blue. AND the immigrants replacing those who leave are MORE liberal than the ones who left.


46 posted on 07/29/2014 5:59:17 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: DoughtyOne; skeeter

I’m not refusing anything, except your direct comparison.

Texas and California have the exact same percentage of Hispanics, and only a five point difference in whites, yet California has long been blue and doesn’t have a single statewide elected republican, and Texas is the complete opposite.

The GOP hasn’t won California since the 1980s, even when the white population was over 57%, yet Texas is in a totally different place, it is the opposite to California, and that needs to be studied.

Anyone can say get on a thread called “California vs. Texas: Which model is shape of the future?” and simply, immigration will make them the same, when the reality is that it hasn’t so far, and the importance of these threads is to examine why, what really killed California so easily DECADES AGO and why does Texas just get more red?

You can’t fight something if you don’t even know that weapons and the ability to fight exists.


47 posted on 07/29/2014 6:00:58 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12

http://www.fairus.org/DocServer/research-pub/TexasCostStudy_2014.pdfk

LMAO


48 posted on 07/29/2014 6:10:11 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Think how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are stupider than that.)
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To: DoughtyOne

I get the impression that you are more on an anti-Texas agenda than anything related to immigration and conservative answers to it, and to saving a state, with or without immigration problems.

It’s easy to see why California so easily drifted into becoming a totally blue state.


49 posted on 07/29/2014 6:16:51 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12

Funny thing is, I never said Texas was like California. What I addressed was Texas exposure to the negative impacts of illegal immigration and what it portended for your future.

And all you did was deny deny deny deny...

Read up on the subject. Do a google search and study up on what Illegal Immigration is costing your state.

When it finally dawns on you, that it doesn’t matter which party is in control, you’ll realize that Texas is losing $12 billion plus in revenue each year being paid out to cover the cost of illegal immigration.

It is also costing the federal government a boat-load of funding. That costs each of us partner. Another funny aspect of this, or perhaps better described as just strange, is the avoidance other states residents exhibit.

Years ago when I said illegal immigration was going to cost my state dearly, folks in other states thought it was just California’s own fault. Now that we see other states paying tens of billions of dollars on illegal immigrants, they still try to shift the talk to California.

Your state is paying out over $12 billion annually. None the less, there you sit telling me you have no problems with illegal immigration.

How much would be a problem then? $20 billion annually? $30, $50... you tell me.


50 posted on 07/29/2014 6:18:02 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Think how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are stupider than that.)
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