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San Antonio police mistake photographer for fleeing drug suspect, beat him silly
Washington Post ^ | July 29, 2014 | Radley Balko

Posted on 07/29/2014 3:29:41 PM PDT by bamahead

Ah, another glorious moment in America’s drug war.

Three San Antonio Police officers are being investigated for possibly using excessive force, after a May 20 incident in west San Antonio left a man with injuries to his face, skull and neck.

Roger Carlos was in the 10600 block of Westover Hills Boulevard taking photos of a building that will soon be home to his wife’s medical practice, when he was approached by three officers around 2:30 p.m.

The officers were identified as an undercover drug task force officer and two SAPD SWAT members.

According to an SAPD incident report released to I-Team, the officers had been pursuing a suspect nearby who was wanted on a felony warrant.

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“All three of them started beating me on the head,” said Carlos, who still showed visible signs of the beating when he spoke with KENS 5 weeks after the incident.

“It was unbelievable. I couldn’t believe it was happening to me.”

Carlos said he was struck about 50 times, even though he complied with the officers’ instructions and did not fight back.

Shortly after being handcuffed and explaining to officers that he owned the property, a fourth officer approached and said the suspect was in custody nearby.


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San Antonio Police Chief William McManus says it was a case of “mistaken identity,” ... “From the report that I’ve read, from the photo that I saw and from your description, I’ve not seen anything at this point that would indicate to me that anything out of order happened.”

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“From the report that I’ve read, from the photo that I saw and from your description, I’ve not seen anything at this point that would indicate to me that anything out of order happened.”
-San Antonio Police Chief William McManus



1 posted on 07/29/2014 3:29:41 PM PDT by bamahead
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2 posted on 07/29/2014 3:30:20 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: bamahead

I think the police dept. just picked up the tab for the building remodel.


3 posted on 07/29/2014 3:33:23 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: bamahead

I agree with the Chief:

When they kicked the as$ of this innocent man, NOTHING out of the ordinary happened.

Mao said guerrillas as like fish, and The People are the ocean. That’s why those commies always tried to stay in tight with the people —so they had hiding places. And that’s what US forces also constantly learn; stay as much as possible on the good side of the townsfolk, cuz they may rat out the guerrillas to you.

OK so if US cops are TOTALLY INDIFFERENT to what the citizens think of them, then…

WHERE are they getting their intel?

Because THEY ARE getting it from SOMEWHERE.

And if you know what STINGRAY is, then you’ll understand why they don’t actually care what you think of them —because they don’t HAVE to care, see?


4 posted on 07/29/2014 3:35:07 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: bamahead

If he has a dog, he’s lucky he didn’t bring it with him.


5 posted on 07/29/2014 3:36:05 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: bamahead

Yes office, until I find you with no one around to come to your aid, lets see how tough you are all alone...


6 posted on 07/29/2014 3:36:09 PM PDT by Rumplemeyer (The GOP should stand its ground - and fix Bayonets)
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To: bamahead

Was he Photographing Obama’s Refugee Camps, if so he was lucky to get away with his life...


7 posted on 07/29/2014 3:38:09 PM PDT by GraceG (No, My Initials are not A.B.)
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To: bamahead
"From the report that I’ve read, from the photo that I saw and from your description, I’ve not seen anything at this point that would indicate to me that anything out of order happened."

A perfect accompaniment to your poster. In a nutshell, that's the sorry-ass state of what passes for law enforcement in America.

8 posted on 07/29/2014 3:43:18 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Rumplemeyer

I think some of these “officers” are looking for private citizens to start giving them a “talking to” when they are alone and away from their buddies...


9 posted on 07/29/2014 3:43:53 PM PDT by Mr. K (Palin/Cruz 2016)
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To: null and void

Unbelievable.


10 posted on 07/29/2014 3:46:35 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: bamahead

Police abuse their authority all the time. And I don’t know what the WaPo is doing reporting this, what their angle is, but, really?

I don’t think San Antonio has a bad rep for this - out of control police business.

This guy is wandering around a very swanky hotel district taking pictures of s building.

Maybe the cops were ridiculous and brutal and way out of order.

But... this guy’s wife is a doctor and he doesn’t know enough post 9 11 not to go around taking pix of buildings.

It’s something we’re trained to not do. wanted to take photos of some visiting airplanes once on base and hub came tearing over, ‘no, don’t do that, the SPs will be all over us’.

I don’t know.

An McManus isn’t known for being a jerk as far as I know

Well, I don’t know about this. Plus, could we give SA a break, the overrun border is right there.


11 posted on 07/29/2014 3:46:54 PM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne; bamahead

I mean, everyone believes this guy right off?

If his story is true, and it could be, it happens, but, he’s taken at his word right off?


12 posted on 07/29/2014 3:50:26 PM PDT by stanne
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To: bamahead

I watched around 5 minutes of one of the cop shows yesterday.

They showed two cops restraining a guy. He was obeying their orders like he lay down when they said but he wasn’t doing exactly what they said, at least not for a few seconds. I doubt he really understood what they were saying.

He lay down as soon as they told him to but then propped himself up on his side but was still lying down. After being told several times to lie completely flat he did. Then one cop cuffs him while another puts his boot on the guys neck.

If someone did that to me, there would be a very good chance that he would open his car door and find a rattlesnake in it. If not that, something else.

If this is what they show on TV, just how much worse are they when it is not shown?


13 posted on 07/29/2014 3:53:52 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: Slings and Arrows; null and void
Unbelievable.

Not really.

14 posted on 07/29/2014 3:54:12 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: bamahead

Ain’t no sense in bringing out the SWAT Team if nobody dies or maimed!


15 posted on 07/29/2014 3:54:28 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (Stupid has consequences ... in healthcare it can be a fatal consequence!)
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To: stanne
'And I don’t know what the WaPo is doing reporting this, what their angle is, but, really?'

Because, Mr. Balko is a author of note who covers the police state and the death of civil liberties.

16 posted on 07/29/2014 3:56:18 PM PDT by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: stanne

So we can’t take pictures of buildings????


17 posted on 07/29/2014 3:56:56 PM PDT by Osage Orange (I have strong feelings about gun control. If there's a gun around, I want to be controlling it.)
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To: stanne
he doesn’t know enough post 9 11 not to go around taking pix of buildings.

It’s something we’re trained to not do.

Wow.

18 posted on 07/29/2014 4:00:04 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Theoria

“Rise of the Warrior Cop”.

OK, well, Mr. Balko will have a good story here if after it goes through and we hear at least another rendition of the story, it turns out to be a fact that this guy was brutalized.

Could be. In the meantime, it sells copy.


19 posted on 07/29/2014 4:01:01 PM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne

You can take photos of buildings post 9/11. Of course there could be some buildings in some areas that could attract more attention but that shouldn’t be a factor in this case.

Assuming this all true and there’s no reason to believe it isn’t the cops were 100% out of line.

I guess everyone needs training on how to lay spread eagle
on the ground while you are getting the crap beat out of you.


20 posted on 07/29/2014 4:02:29 PM PDT by skyman
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To: bamahead; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; Impy; GOPsterinMA; randita; Sun; LdSentinal; ...

Incidents like this seem to be on the rise. It’s ominous.


21 posted on 07/29/2014 4:02:53 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (The War on Drugs is Big Government statism)
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To: gaijin

http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/184597-stingray-the-fake-cell-phone-tower-cops-and-providers-use-to-track-your-every-move


22 posted on 07/29/2014 4:02:54 PM PDT by headstamp 2
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To: bamahead

The officers made it home safe and that’s all that matters.


23 posted on 07/29/2014 4:03:14 PM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Obama - "I will stand with the Muslims")
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To: stanne
As opposed to trusting a Narc and two SWAT goons who by the way have not denied anything of the man's account? You go on and keep believing in officer friendly till his boot is on your neck.
24 posted on 07/29/2014 4:03:25 PM PDT by RightOnTheBorder
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To: bamahead

The money Roger Carlos wins from the department should be taken from the police pension fund. Why should the taxpayer foot the bill. Until police feel the pain their actions cause, they will continue to inflict pain on the taxpayers.


25 posted on 07/29/2014 4:04:08 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: Theoria

Saw Balko on Stossel’s show over the weekend.


26 posted on 07/29/2014 4:05:28 PM PDT by headstamp 2
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To: Clintonfatigued

police are failing to do even the most cursory of actual police work, an that is what usually leads to this stuff


27 posted on 07/29/2014 4:09:41 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: stanne

“But... this guy’s wife is a doctor and he doesn’t know enough post 9 11 not to go around taking pix of buildings.”

Since when are we not allowed to take pictures of buildings? 911? Give me a break. If it is in public, I can photograph it.


28 posted on 07/29/2014 4:11:28 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: Mastador1
I think the police dept. taxpayers just picked up the tab for the building remodel.

There. I fixed it.

29 posted on 07/29/2014 4:11:32 PM PDT by Gritty (Obama's governing as president of a Latin American republic, where only the president matters-MSteyn)
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To: stanne

I didn’t see a sarcasm tag, so I have to ask:

Are you high?

What you posted:

“This guy is wandering around a very swanky hotel district taking pictures of s building.

Maybe the cops were ridiculous and brutal and way out of order.

But... this guy’s wife is a doctor and he doesn’t know enough post 9 11 not to go around taking pix of buildings.

It’s something we’re trained to not do. wanted to take photos of some visiting airplanes once on base and hub came tearing over, ‘no, don’t do that, the SPs will be all over us’.

I don’t know.

An McManus isn’t known for being a jerk as far as I know”

It was 2:30 in the afternoon. What’s the charge? Operating a camera while being latino? What do you think Real Estate people do all day long? Take pictures of buildings.

You are high, right? You macking on some Doritos and pullin’ on some big old blunt full of Mendocino Red?


30 posted on 07/29/2014 4:11:36 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs (.)
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To: bamahead

Chris Rock, : how not to get your A$$ kicked by the police.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2plo4FOgIU


31 posted on 07/29/2014 4:13:01 PM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, deport all illegal aliens, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

I realize that the hatred for cops here runs deep, so I’ll get much more flamed, even saying maybe this guy’s story is totally true, and if so, we’re really screwed, but something smells to me...

After 9 11 the nation was well aware that taking pictures of buildings was suspicious behavior, so, THat’s what came to my mind.

The guys who blew up the trade center studied it, and even planted a bomb in the basement in 1993.

Perhaps there are many here who don’t recall this, but it’s indelible in my mind. If I want to take photos of a building, I would certainly tell te manager. And why not.

This is from a basic google:

From RT:
“Tags
Crime, DHS, Police, Security, Terrorism, USA
The next time a tourist snaps a picture of the famous Hollywood sign, their photo won’t be the only item added to the annals. The LAPD considers photography a suspicious activity, and trying to take certain shots may add a page to your personal file.

A memo released last month by Police Chief Charlie Bucks re-categorizes certain behaviors — including photo shoots in public spots — to constitute suspicious activity, which is enough to have cops file a report, open an investigation and forward any further information about a suspect to the federal authorities — all over just an itchy shutter finger.”


32 posted on 07/29/2014 4:13:49 PM PDT by stanne
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To: skyman

This is what you said: “Assuming this all true and there’s no reason to believe it isn’t the cops were 100% out of line.”

Here’s what I said:

“Police abuse their authority all the time...
Maybe the cops were ridiculous and brutal and way out of order”

I needed correction?

Why?


33 posted on 07/29/2014 4:17:16 PM PDT by stanne
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To: bamahead

“Carlos said he was struck about 50 times, even though he complied with the officers’ instructions and did not fight back. “

Well, if you don’t want this crap happening in your community, elect a pro-2nd amendment, Constitutional sheriff in your county. With a constitutional sheriff, you can:

1. Investigate political, left-wing police commissioners appointed by a commie mayor.

2. Throw leftist police chiefs out of your community.

3. Buy surplus military equipment.

4. Investigate and imprison left wing commies in your local government.

5. Tell Rambo federal police thugs to stay out of your county - or else.

6. Organize an armed 2,000 man auxiliary deputy force for “emergencies.”

I live under the protection of a constitutional sheriff. So should you.


34 posted on 07/29/2014 4:17:23 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: stanne

“Carlos said he was struck about 50 times, even though he complied with the officers’ instructions and did not fight back.

Shortly after being handcuffed and explaining to officers that he owned the property, a fourth officer approached and said the suspect was in custody nearby. “

Yeah, I think I’ll believe him. It doesn’t appear to me that they had any reason to beat him. He wasn’t breaking any laws when they pounced.


35 posted on 07/29/2014 4:18:07 PM PDT by AmericanHunter
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To: bamahead

If you aren’t doing anything wrong...You don’t have anything to worry about...


36 posted on 07/29/2014 4:18:35 PM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: stanne

I belong to a photography forum and not long after 9/11 there were a bunch of incidents where cops stopped people who were simply taking photographs.

The end result was basically that the courts gave the cops a legal barb wire enema. No, taking photos of buildings, trees, family or just street photography is not suspicious activity.

If that police chief said that it is he is going to get a lesson pretty soon.

I suspect what he really said is that some types of photography can be suspicious, such as taking photos of people in the rest room, up girls skirts etc.


37 posted on 07/29/2014 4:28:45 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: Ken H

“In a nutshell, that’s the sorry-ass state of what passes for law enforcement in America.”

Just wonder when there’s going to be a breakout of vigilante justice on cops who do this stuff? We are very close to the tipping point. Don’t like dead anybody, but the time is coming.


38 posted on 07/29/2014 4:31:27 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: stanne

Do you slosh when you walk?


39 posted on 07/29/2014 4:32:14 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: Clintonfatigued

Throw a swat uniform on a guy who envisions him self as a special forces team member and this is what you get. Put 3-4 of these loons together and turn them loose on society with a boss who sees no evil and your town is going to pay a boatload of settlements.


40 posted on 07/29/2014 4:32:17 PM PDT by reefdiver (Be the Best you can be Whatever you Dream to be)
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To: stanne

No, here’s what you said: “Police abuse their authority all the time. And I don’t know what the WaPo is doing reporting this, what their angle is, but, really?

I don’t think San Antonio has a bad rep for this - out of control police business.

This guy is wandering around a very swanky hotel district taking pictures of s building.

Maybe the cops were ridiculous and brutal and way out of order.

But... this guy’s wife is a doctor and he doesn’t know enough post 9 11 not to go around taking pix of buildings.

It’s something we’re trained to not do. wanted to take photos of some visiting airplanes once on base and hub came tearing over, ‘no, don’t do that, the SPs will be all over us’.

I don’t know.

An McManus isn’t known for being a jerk as far as I know

Well, I don’t know about this. Plus, could we give SA a break, the overrun border is right there.”


41 posted on 07/29/2014 4:33:58 PM PDT by AmericanHunter
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To: AmericanHunter

That’s what I said.

Did it need correcting? And if so, why, exactly?


42 posted on 07/29/2014 4:41:24 PM PDT by stanne
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To: stanne

McManus is a jerk. Former police chief of Minneapolis, MN.


43 posted on 07/29/2014 4:41:45 PM PDT by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)
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To: stanne

No, taking pictures is not suspicious behavior. This nation really has been brainwashed. That this is allowed shows just how far we have gone. Evidently the LAPD is the enemy of American citizens, you know, the ones they work for, and who pay them.

Absolutely ridiculous.


44 posted on 07/29/2014 4:42:42 PM PDT by KEVLAR (Liberty or Death)
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To: bamahead

Was his first name Ozzy?


45 posted on 07/29/2014 4:43:23 PM PDT by bgill
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To: stanne

You claim that:
“ he doesn’t know enough post 9 11 not to go around taking pix of buildings.”
There is nothing illegal about taking pix of buildings.
“It’s something we’re trained to not do”
I don’t need training on my constitutionally protected activities, thank you.


46 posted on 07/29/2014 4:52:44 PM PDT by AmericanHunter
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To: bamahead; NFHale; Clintonfatigued; sickoflibs; GOPsterinMA; fieldmarshaldj; BillyBoy
San Antonio Police Chief William McManus says it was a case of “mistaken identity,” .

So if it had been the suspect they were looking it for it would have been ok? You should lose your job along with your thugs, Willy. He's a gun grabber too, piece of s**t.

47 posted on 07/29/2014 4:53:35 PM PDT by Impy (Think for yourself)
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To: stanne
Obama just said that the world has never been safer.

Why should anyone care if someone takes a picture of a small office building? It's not like it's a famous landmark or anything.

-PJ

48 posted on 07/29/2014 4:54:00 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: bamahead

Notice how he switches it to being about drugs, rather than the police.


49 posted on 07/29/2014 4:58:18 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: AmericanHunter

Again, “Maybe the cops were ridiculous and brutal and way out of order.”

As I said.

This is an office building. The property is privately owned. He is not constitutionally protected to trespass, taking photos of the building.

He IS constitutionally protected from illegal search and seizure and certainly protected from assault and battery.

This might go very badly for the SAPD, and I hope it does if the guy’s story is true.


50 posted on 07/29/2014 5:00:38 PM PDT by stanne
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