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Rudderless U.S. foreign policy - Obama stands by as tyranny spreads
washingtontimes.com ^ | July 29, 2014 | Ben S. Carson

Posted on 07/29/2014 7:29:45 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

From the Middle East to Eurasia, it often seems that President Obama is reacting to events instead of trying to shape them. Americans have begun to see his collective failures as an indictment on his presidency, and they long for clarity and purpose from their president.

The clear foreign policy that is grounded in American ideas of promoting liberty abroad and preserving our security at home is what is needed now. That is how we became a superpower. Reversing these ideas allows our adversaries to become stronger and impairs our ability to respond to present-day threats.

While Mr. Obama’s foreign-policy adventures have waxed and waned in the eyes of the American public, his indecisiveness in places such as Iraq and Syria has presented an image of weakness on the global stage. We have failed to adequately deal with Russian aggression in Georgia and Ukraine. Recognizing that the United States would soon be changing administrations, Russia invaded Georgia in 2008. ....Russia’s Vladimir Putin sensed our weakness and saw opportunity. Six years later, he annexed Crimea and now pro-Russian forces are trying to take over more land in Ukraine.

What has the Obama administration done in response to this aggression by Russia? Not really much, other than impose toothless sanctions on Russian businessmen close to Mr. Putin (but not the Russian president himself) that have done little to make Russia change course. Is this what Ronald Reagan would have done? Or would he have helped pro-democracy Ukrainians and pressed Europe to look for alternatives to Russian natural gas to preclude being held hostage by Russian energy? Additionally, we need to reinforce our commitments to NATO and get the former components of the Soviet Union involved. Otherwise, Mr. Putin will do this again.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial
KEYWORDS: nationalsecurityfail

1 posted on 07/29/2014 7:29:45 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Well, he’s a tyrant himself, so...


2 posted on 07/29/2014 7:31:09 PM PDT by Flag_This (You can't spell "treason" without the "O".)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Obama’s too busy spreading tyranny at home.


3 posted on 07/29/2014 7:32:30 PM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Not too concerned with the rest of the world...we have enough within our own borders.


4 posted on 07/29/2014 7:32:38 PM PDT by Dallas59
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To: Tailgunner Joe

5 posted on 07/29/2014 7:33:32 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
- Putin/Russia attacking Ukraine

- 0bama helping Central America invade the United States

- ISIS overtaking Iraq

- Hamas attacking Israel

..and that's just for starters

6 posted on 07/29/2014 7:35:10 PM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: Tailgunner Joe

7 posted on 07/29/2014 7:35:15 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Tailgunner Joe

0bama is like a deer in the headlights.


8 posted on 07/29/2014 7:35:35 PM PDT by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed. If you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Caron’s a good guy and I’m sure that it feels great to vent at both 0bama and our old Cold War foe at the same time, but poor Ben is terrible at geopolitics.

If you are unfamiliar with the chess term “stabilizing the board” then you might not realize that Carson’s advice to 0bama on Russia/Ukraine is out of sequence.

That means that it is now bad advice, whereas if that advice had been given *before* Putin seized the Crimea the same advice would have been spot on.

Timing matters. You don’t send in your ground troops and *then* shell your artillery onto the enemies’ trenches. The sequence in which you make geopolitical moves is important.

Sequence matters. You shell the enemy’s trenches first, and *then* send in your troops, for example.

Carson is advising the opposite sequence.

Bad idea...yet few people will understand why “bad advice” today would have been “good advice” to do in January.

Most people do not grasp that sequence matters.


9 posted on 07/29/2014 7:39:11 PM PDT by Southack (The one thing preppers need from the 1st World? http://tinyurl.com/ktfwljc .)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

10 posted on 07/29/2014 7:40:16 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Hence my tag line.


11 posted on 07/29/2014 7:41:50 PM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: SkyDancer

“Deer in the headlights”?? Hardly. All this is architected by the bastard.


12 posted on 07/29/2014 7:44:53 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Southack
Interesting.

Let's say you have amazing intestinal fortitude. Could you have secured MH17 site with the 173rd Airborne and the Royal Dutch Marines? If yes, how? If not, why? Just very curious.

13 posted on 07/29/2014 7:47:28 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"....Obama stands by as tyranny spreads ...."

And that's just in the US.....

14 posted on 07/29/2014 7:49:05 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Tailgunner Joe

He’s not standing by he’s fanning the flames.


15 posted on 07/29/2014 7:51:57 PM PDT by hometoroost
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To: Tailgunner Joe
they long for clarity and purpose from their president.

It is clear that Ø's purpose is to advance a global Caliphate.

16 posted on 07/29/2014 7:52:23 PM PDT by lightman (O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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To: Chgogal

You can do lots of things, but the *cost* in labor, money, time, equipment, and lives increases based upon (among other things) the length of your supply lines versus the length of your opponent’s.

MH17 was quite close to Russian supply bases, and quite far from U.S. supply bases...and with only 1 American on board, MH17 was a minor U.S. “interest” compared to those of Russia.

Which is to point out that volunteering to over-extend your military for a trivial national interest is generally considered to be unwise.


17 posted on 07/29/2014 7:52:32 PM PDT by Southack (The one thing preppers need from the 1st World? http://tinyurl.com/ktfwljc .)
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To: Southack

Carson correctly points out that if we don’t act now, Putin will take even more territory. We need to take the initiative and force Putin to react to our moves.


18 posted on 07/29/2014 7:56:12 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: hometoroost

> He’s not standing by he’s fanning the flames.

Hell he started the fire then threw gasoline on it...


19 posted on 07/29/2014 7:58:06 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Life doesn’t work like that. IF it mattered to stop Putin from taking more territory, you would have needed to act *prior* to Putin taking Crimea.

Instead, acting *after* Putin took the Crimea puts the U.S. “behind the curve” in military terms. Being behind the curve means that you have to make predictable, costly, or desperate moves...and your likelihood of success is small.

Right now, it is too late for Ukraine/Crimea. However, we could act now to shore up Poland and Germany.

Acting now for Ukraine/Crimea *instead* of shoring up Poland/Germany means that you could lose far more than (parts of) the Ukraine.

You have to stabilize the board at this point. Ground is lost because we got behind the curve. Getting more behind the curve will cost us more countries.

You’ll lose Poland and Germany if you waste efforts on the Ukraine at this point.


20 posted on 07/29/2014 8:05:44 PM PDT by Southack (The one thing preppers need from the 1st World? http://tinyurl.com/ktfwljc .)
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21 posted on 07/29/2014 8:07:02 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Southack

Putin took Crimea, but it’s not too late to stop him from taking the rest of Eastern Ukraine. If we fail to act now, it will be too late.

What you are saying is like saying in the 1950’s it’s too late to save West Berlin, we should just let the Soviets have it. It’s like saying in the 1940’s, it’s too late to save France, just let Hitler keep it.


22 posted on 07/29/2014 8:14:50 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe; MeshugeMikey; All

Not so!

Nobel Laurette B. Hussein Obama, aka Barry Soetoro, has achieved what only Harry Truman had achieved: ANOTHER COLD WAR.

THE OBAMA COLD WAR will be a lot safer, as no boots will be issued to Soldiers, Jet Fuel will be rationed to all but Air Force One, and there will be safe usage of Obamadrones, painted Putting-Green, (TM), of course.


23 posted on 07/29/2014 8:16:27 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Graewoulf

Barry’s directors and writers have done one bang up job to this point...

when it all crumbles around him.....we shall see who gets the last laugh.


24 posted on 07/29/2014 8:22:55 PM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill ...)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

I think stunned like the Norwegian parrot.


25 posted on 07/29/2014 8:26:38 PM PDT by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspaper you are uninformed. If you do read the newspaper you are misinformed)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Obama is an STD to Uncle Sam and Lady Liberty..

...Obamaeria...


26 posted on 07/29/2014 8:28:03 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe

Ø is but a symptom of the disease that killed this republic.

WE can not survive an illiterate electorate that has the power to vote. Until that changes, we swirl down the drain.


27 posted on 07/29/2014 8:49:30 PM PDT by bicyclerepair (The zombies here elected alcee hastings. TERM LIMITS ... TERM LIMITS)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

This is Dr Ben Carson. maybe a presidential candidate weighing in on world affairs. he seems to have national issues well in hand.


28 posted on 07/29/2014 9:10:26 PM PDT by kvanbrunt2 (civil law: commanding what is right and prohibiting what is wrong Blackstone Commentaries I p44)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Very good PBS Frontline program this week on the history of the Iraqi war - Bush and the crew take their lumps, but Obama looks totally incompetent - for instance Bush worked closely with Al Maliki, even holding regular TV “tutorials” with him to help guide his policies while heading Iraq - although Maliki showed tendencies to want to purge sunnis during that period, they were held in check - from the time Obama took over he never met with Maliki, even insisting that the Iraq ruling council formalize an informal understanding that no Americans remaining in country would be held criminally responsible for actions attributable to war, something Obama knew was unlikely - this gave Obama the rationalization to pull all our troops out of the country at the end of 2011 as per agreement reached by Bush and thus treating Iraq as a “normal” and “sovereign” nation, something commentators on the program all agreed was far from actuality. The day after our troops left, Maliki had the sunni vice-premier arrested and began a major purge of sunni influence in the country, including even the “Sons of Iraq”, the sunni militia which Petraeus had bought off to help pacify the country during the “Surge” - so out of touch was our government with the Iraq government that we had no idea that the Iraq army would collapse when ISIS invaded in the spring - Obama threw away what had been gained in the country because of what the program makes evident was his dislike for the war and Bush’s policy and his desire to simply walk away and be done with it....


29 posted on 07/29/2014 9:12:06 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Southack
I fully understand your reasoning. Here is mine.

1. The Netherlands, Britain and Germany are NATO members.
2. The downing of a commercial plane by Russia i.e. Ukrainian Rebels/Terrorists is not a trivial matter especially if it sets a precedence.
3. It is America who stands for human decency, human dignity and we did nothing. Period. Very sad. (See and hear speech at 1:40-1:50; 2:30-4:43; and finally 5:45-6:43 minutes into Mr. Timmerman's speech)
4. Below is the Dutch Foreign Minister Timmerman's address to the UN Security Council. It is Churchillian and only 6:43 minutes long. It is worth a listen just to hear a Statesman in action. You will appreciate his ability to persuade. It is quite moving.

http://elitedaily.com/news/politics/dutch-foreign-minister-gives-emotional-address-un-security-council/678266/

30 posted on 07/29/2014 10:06:30 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: Southack

We lost Poland when Obama rescinded missile defense. Hopefully we will elect a POTUS who understand the world as it is not as interpreted by a rabid left wing ideologue.


31 posted on 07/29/2014 10:10:48 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: Tailgunner Joe; Southack
Touche, Tailgunner Joe. Talk about supply lines, Southhack. ; )
32 posted on 07/29/2014 10:14:05 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: Intolerant in NJ
What is the name of the show? I may be able to catch it “On Demand”. TY in advance.
33 posted on 07/29/2014 10:16:58 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: Intolerant in NJ
Obama is a rabid ideologue. There is nothing we can do about it for 2 years and five months and 28 days.
34 posted on 07/29/2014 10:19:39 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: Chgogal

When someone mentions Hitler, they’ve already lost the debate.


35 posted on 07/29/2014 10:23:37 PM PDT by Southack (The one thing preppers need from the 1st World? http://tinyurl.com/ktfwljc .)
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To: Southack
Who mentioned Hitler?
36 posted on 07/29/2014 10:27:27 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: Chgogal

Post 22.


37 posted on 07/29/2014 10:29:07 PM PDT by Southack (The one thing preppers need from the 1st World? http://tinyurl.com/ktfwljc .)
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To: Southack
Oh please!!!

I was talking about the West Berlin Airlift for heaven's sake. Forget it. No need to listen to Timmerman or respond to me. You are not worthy of such a statesman. You are too puny to appreciate his speech.

Eff you and good bye A$$hole. I am pissed so stay far away from me.

38 posted on 07/29/2014 10:31:34 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: Chgogal

Weak.


39 posted on 07/29/2014 10:33:35 PM PDT by Southack (The one thing preppers need from the 1st World? http://tinyurl.com/ktfwljc .)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

he wants it to spread, crises to exploit. it’s deliberate.


40 posted on 07/29/2014 11:25:23 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: Tzimisce

Obama’s too busy spreading tranny at home.

Well, that and other things...


41 posted on 07/29/2014 11:29:12 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

E erything Clow Prince nobama does is intentional. For many, this is difficult accept.


42 posted on 07/29/2014 11:45:11 PM PDT by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Putin took Crimea, but it’s not too late to stop him from taking the rest of Eastern Ukraine. If we fail to act now, it will be too late.

How is this the U.S. of A's problem? Isn't this what the U.N is for?

Why do we allow ourselves to get dragged into every other country's problems? We worry about them, but no one/media/talking heads pushes the government to do something about our country being overtaken.

43 posted on 07/30/2014 5:02:21 AM PDT by beachn4fun (Guns are not the problem. People are. Forget the magazine...check your attitude.)
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To: Chgogal

Name of show= PBS Frontline - “Losing Iraq”.....


44 posted on 07/30/2014 4:36:15 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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