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Former CIA spy: Putin using Soviet tactics to confuse US
Fox News ^ | July 29, 2014 | Christopher Snyder

Posted on 07/29/2014 10:14:02 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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Russian President Vladimir Putin does a “good job” confusing the West, as evidenced most recently by the leader’s denial that his country is firing rockets into Ukraine, according to one former top CIA spy.

Fox News National Security Analyst KT McFarland spoke to Jack Devine about U.S. strategy against Russia. Devine is a 32-year veteran of the Central Intelligence Agency, along with being president of The Arkin Group, an international risk consulting and intelligence firm.

He says so far Putin’s regional strategy is working in Russia’s favor.

“Plausible denial does not mean credible denial, so he’s doing all the things that could have been anticipated. He is using agents of influence, using psychological warfare, and he is providing military support and denying it,” Devine told FoxNews.com....

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: obama; putin; russia; ukraine
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A KGB Lieutenant Colonel and FSB head is using "Soviet" tactics? Who saw that coming?
1 posted on 07/29/2014 10:14:02 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There are too many on FR willing to believe Putin. Those of us who have seen this movie before know full well how the Soviets and now the Russians operate. They lie and plant disinformation.


2 posted on 07/29/2014 10:19:42 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

“Believing” or “trusting” Vladimir Putin and not crediting everything said against him by Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and John Kerry are two entirely different things.


3 posted on 07/29/2014 10:23:19 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: kabar
They lie and plant disinformation.

What is the difference then between the Russians and the Democratic Party? I can't tell the difference.

4 posted on 07/29/2014 10:23:28 PM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Our CIA is confused, no doubt...but Putin is manuevering to flip Germany out of NATO by provoking 0bama into making strategic mistakes.

Bugging Merkel’s cell phone comes to mind. Getting a CIA spy cell caught in Germany, as another.

...and this coming Winter, Putin will shut off the natural gas as soon as the weather brings the first freeze.

Germany may have to pick sides: warm...or...spied on.


5 posted on 07/29/2014 10:28:19 PM PDT by Southack (The one thing preppers need from the 1st World? http://tinyurl.com/ktfwljc .)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

You mean like Obama? Like “wag the dog”? How about Alinsky?

Why do I have the feeling that Obama and Putin should very well understand each other?

The heads that Obama has put in place in his regime may be duffers and follow along Marxists, but Val and Bark know their own end game and probably Putin’s.

If only Putin was a Muslim, (sigh) they could all just get along.


6 posted on 07/29/2014 10:30:00 PM PDT by RitaOK ( VIVA CRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Chgogal

The Democratic Party doesn’t murder critical reporters or opposition politicians.


7 posted on 07/29/2014 10:37:35 PM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: kabar

Vladmir Putin is 5,000 miles away from me and poses o threat to my liberty or my constitution. Obama is about 350 miles away from me and threatens both. I could care less about Putin. pravda.


8 posted on 07/29/2014 10:38:39 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: RC one

I’m glad Reagan didn’t think like you and Obama.


9 posted on 07/29/2014 10:46:25 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and John Kerry have been covering for what the Russians have been doing against us. They still want to hang on the narrative that our relations are good and we have a "reset" since those bad old Bush days. Obama agreed to stop the anti-missile installations in Poland and the Czech Republic. He is working on another nuclear reduction. Our military is being reduced substantially.

I don't trust Obama at all when it comes to Russia. Tough talk is cheap and it disguises what has really been going on with Russia. The Manchurian candidate is transforming this country.

President Obama: "On all these issues, but particularly missile defense, this, this can be solved but it’s important for him to give me space."

President Medvedev: "Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you…"

President Obama: "This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility."

President Medvedev: "I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir, and I stand with you."

10 posted on 07/29/2014 10:50:56 PM PDT by kabar
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To: RC one
Vladmir Putin is 5,000 miles away from me and poses o threat to my liberty or my constitution. Obama is about 350 miles away from me and threatens both. I could care less about Putin. pravda.

You must live in a fantasy world. I guess using your logic, China and the forces of militant Islamic fundamentalism pose no threat at all either since they are so far away.

11 posted on 07/29/2014 10:54:04 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

You may not have noticed, but our government is spying on us. Reading every email. Recording every phone call. Paying spies and activists to post disinformation online to “adjust” public opinion.

Sending the IRS after Tea Party members. Sending the EPA to raid guitar factories. Sending Homeland Security to confiscate Land overs. Pitting the Department of the Interior against our ranchers.

A radical could make a case that a nuke exploding in DC would improve U.S. civil rights nationwide.


12 posted on 07/29/2014 10:58:47 PM PDT by Southack (The one thing preppers need from the 1st World? http://tinyurl.com/ktfwljc .)
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To: canuck_conservative

The Breitbart death might raise a question on that. But the main thing is the propaganda machine, with its attendant obfuscation of the facts, the news, the intimidation and manipulation of reporters, etc.


13 posted on 07/29/2014 10:59:15 PM PDT by Migraine (Diversity is great -- until it happens to YOU.)
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To: kabar; ansel12

How exactly is Vladmir Putin threatening your liberty or your constitution?


14 posted on 07/29/2014 10:59:54 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: RC one

Do you remember the threat that Russia was to the entire world, until the early 1990s, and how much of the world they had conquered and absorbed?

Do you really think you can ignore our enemies and expect to defeat them when they literally land on your shores, for one thing, with global power aligned against you, they don’t even have to conquer you to control you.


15 posted on 07/29/2014 11:10:26 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12
Do you really think you can ignore our enemies and expect to defeat them when they literally land on your shores, for one thing, with global power aligned against you, they don’t even have to conquer you to control you.

I'll say it again, Obama is a bigger threat to our liberty, our constitution, our prosperity, and our country than Vladmir Putin. This country elected Barack Obama twice. Elections have consequences.

16 posted on 07/30/2014 12:09:33 AM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: RC one
This country elected Barack Obama twice. Elections have consequences.

So you are just trying to hijack any thread that deals with Russia and Putin to talk about the usual politics.

That's going to be annoying to those of us with an interest in global issues and NATO, and Europe and military and foreign affairs issues.

17 posted on 07/30/2014 12:18:33 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: Southack

In getting information, you must analyze and prioritize what you are looking for. Do you think that a group of a dozen analysts can read through, or care to read through, trillions of e-mails? If you do then you are sadly mistaken. Given the vast numbers invoved, analysis, especially keyword searches, are neccessary to find suspicious material, and even then, you have to argue it out with a fisa court if the e-mail ptoves anything. In the world of computing, you have an easy way for everyone from a terrorist to a simple dissenter easily dodging the government spotlight. Even here at FR, it would be easy to figure out the computer which plenty of us post on this forum and take any meaningful action. Under true tyranny, however, a government doesn’t need to spy on you, or prove some kind if guilt, it can order your imprisonment, torture, or death, and make excuses up after the fact.


18 posted on 07/30/2014 12:22:21 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: Morpheus2009

You haven’t thought through what you are excusing in your post.


19 posted on 07/30/2014 12:25:11 AM PDT by Southack (The one thing preppers need from the 1st World? http://tinyurl.com/ktfwljc .)
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To: ansel12

When you start a thread with “there are too many on FR willing to believe Putin” you are inviting a dialogue along the lines of what we just had so, no, I didn’t hijack anything. And no, we do not trust Putin, we just trust Obama less. You know, Obama, the guy who said to Mitt Romney “the 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because the Cold War’s been over for 20 years”.


20 posted on 07/30/2014 1:38:12 AM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: kabar

Your comments re-written:

There are too many liberals willing to believe Obama. Those of us who have seen this movie before know full well how the Democrats and now the Progressives operate. They lie and plant disinformation.


21 posted on 07/30/2014 2:25:57 AM PDT by maddog55
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To: Southack
They did. They're with us. They applied enhance sanctions on Putin yesterday. It's going to cost them a lot of money. Given the choice between effete, decadent democracy and old fashion Russian chauvinism, led by a strutting, shirtless, former commie turned ultra-nationalist dictator, they chose the world they know best.
22 posted on 07/30/2014 2:43:57 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: Chgogal

The Democrat Party never ran the Gulag or belonged to the secret police that made it possible, like Putin. It’s probalby a meaningless distinction for you.


23 posted on 07/30/2014 2:46:03 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: Southack

Yes, I have. Sounds like I am talking to a sore loser who makes up excuses for why people don’t buy his ideas. Where’s the nearest concentration camp now? Why hasn’t Alex Jones been dragged out of his home and executed by the Illuminati agents? Why hasn’t Alex Jones or some other conspiracy loon been poisoned to death? In Russia, it has happened recently.


24 posted on 07/30/2014 3:19:50 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: RC one
How exactly is Vladmir Putin threatening your liberty or your constitution?

Especially when compared to Zero and his minions.

Take a close look at the 'Get Russia' crowd and you'll see it full of authoritarians of a different stripe desperate to hold onto power.

25 posted on 07/30/2014 4:27:09 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Southack
You may not have noticed, but our government is spying on us. Reading every email. Recording every phone call. Paying spies and activists to post disinformation online to “adjust” public opinion.

This has been going on a long time ever since the days of J. Edgar Hoover. After 9/11, the environment and the technology made it possible to widen the net and be even more intrusive. Obama is just part of the problem of a government bureaucracy that has become too powerful and remains unchecked.

Sending the IRS after Tea Party members. Sending the EPA to raid guitar factories. Sending Homeland Security to confiscate Land overs. Pitting the Department of the Interior against our ranchers.

Public employee unions have become partisan arms of the Democrats who support Big Government and more benefits for public employees. In turn the public employee unions are major contributors to the Democrats. The career bureaucrats don't have to be directed by the Dems to do these things. They do them because they support the same goals and objectives. We need to seriously look at curtailing the power of the permanent bureaucracy. It will be very difficult to do given its partisan nature. The Pendleton Civil Service Reform Act has been subverted.

A radical could make a case that a nuke exploding in DC would improve U.S. civil rights nationwide.

We get the government we deserve.

26 posted on 07/30/2014 5:47:46 AM PDT by kabar
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To: RC one

Putin is an external threat to our strategic national interests. Obama represents a threat to our liberty and Constitutional government. It is not an either/or proposition. Both are threats to this country.


27 posted on 07/30/2014 6:51:34 AM PDT by kabar
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To: RC one

That is childish

Global threats and the eternal threat of Russia and it’s reemergence under Putin, is a topic that stands on it’s own, regardless of who is president.

So far you indicate no interest or knowledge in foreign affairs or history or military matters, and want to bring the thread into a discussion of the 2012 election, Mitt Romney and who is president.

We didn’t suspend discussions of Russia and the USSR during the Carter years.

The next thread may be about China and it’s blue water navy, and it’s building an attack military.

Your ignorance is revealed when you indicate that you think resistance can start years after the war is lost.


28 posted on 07/30/2014 7:23:38 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When is the CIA going to do something useful, like tell us who Obama really is?

Or, that Obama actually works for Putin?

You know, the whole “I’ll have more flexibility after the election” thing.....


29 posted on 07/30/2014 7:32:55 AM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: elhombrelibre

Germany chose us now...when it’s summer.

“Now” isn’t in question. After the first Winter freeze when Putin shuts off their heating gas...that’s a better question.

Will they choose us...or...being warm?


30 posted on 07/30/2014 8:29:36 AM PDT by Southack (The one thing preppers need from the 1st World? http://tinyurl.com/ktfwljc .)
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To: kabar
Putin is an external threat to our strategic national interests

He's a threat to dollar hegemony and, therefore, a threat to our welfare/warfare/debt state.

31 posted on 07/30/2014 10:52:57 AM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: RC one

China is a much bigger threat to our dollar hegemony. Russia has the world’s 8th largest economy behind Brazil and just ahead of Italy. It has the 77th highest per capita GDP just behind Antigua and Barbuda and ahead of Croatia.


32 posted on 07/30/2014 1:38:37 PM PDT by kabar
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To: RC one

What’s the saying, “An incompetent within your own house is far more dangerous than ten competent enemies without.”


33 posted on 07/30/2014 1:57:31 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: RC one

It’s not even just about the dollar, China is in that passage as well. Russia and the U.S. combined have more than 90 percent of all nuclear weapons Russia. Even though Russia is a thuggish regime, they aren’t beyond the threat of trying to take us down with them via nuclear war if they feel desperate enough to do so.


34 posted on 07/30/2014 2:02:47 PM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: kabar

Russia is however the largest oil producing nation on earth and since dollar hegemony is inextricably linked to petroleum trading thanks to the petrodollar arrangement, Russia is in a unique position to threaten dollar hegemony simply by trading oil and other fossil fuels for currencies other than dollars which they are doing and which, IMHO, is what actually underlies Obama’s ramped up anti-Putin/pro-Ukranian rhetoric. Many political figures have attempted to trade their oil for currencies other than dollars over the past decade or and they’re all conveniently dead now. Putin is a tougher nut however.


35 posted on 07/30/2014 2:09:27 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

One more reason to believer Obama is tied in with Communists.. He often chooses to say the exact opposite of the truth... It’s a lie tactic that works with people who believe in ‘authority figures’... and Catholics in general.


36 posted on 07/30/2014 2:11:42 PM PDT by GOPJ (Liberal elites want immigrants as servants providing cheap labor, drugs, and competition for jobs.)
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To: Morpheus2009

I don’t think Russia is the one feeling desperate. See post 35 in this thread.


37 posted on 07/30/2014 2:15:21 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: RC one
Russia is however the largest oil producing nation on earth and since dollar hegemony is inextricably linked to petroleum trading thanks to the petrodollar arrangement, Russia is in a unique position to threaten dollar hegemony simply by trading oil and other fossil fuels for currencies other than dollars which they are doing and which, IMHO, is what actually underlies Obama’s ramped up anti-Putin/pro-Ukranian rhetoric

Russia is the second largest exporter of oil behind Saudi Arabia

Saudi Arabia is the largest producer of oil followed by the US and Russia. The US will soon surpass Saudi Arabia as the world's biggest producer of oil.

The U.S. will remain the world’s biggest oil producer this year after overtaking Saudi Arabia and Russia as extraction of energy from shale rock spurs the nation’s economic recovery, Bank of America Corp. said.

U.S. production of crude oil, along with liquids separated from natural gas, surpassed all other countries this year with daily output exceeding 11 million barrels in the first quarter, the bank said in a report today. The country became the world’s largest natural gas producer in 2010. The International Energy Agency said in June that the U.S. was the biggest producer of oil and natural gas liquids.

Many political figures have attempted to trade their oil for currencies other than dollars over the past decade or and they’re all conveniently dead now. Putin is a tougher nut however.

As much as we deride the state of our economy, it is still the place that most of the globe considers to be the safest place. And it is the largest economy that can absorb huge investments. I am not saying the dollar is invincible, but there is no other alternative yet.

38 posted on 07/30/2014 2:28:44 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
Wiki data is for 2013. Your data is for 2012. Russia was the largest oil producing nation on earth in 2013. according to wiki.
39 posted on 07/30/2014 2:56:43 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: RC one
Wiki doesn't always get it right. I gave you a 2014 link that says otherwise. Regardless, what is most important is who is the biggest exporter. The Saudis are still number one.

The Russians are locked into oil revenue as there major source of income. They are subject to the ups and downs of the oil market. They are a gas station masquerading as a country. They are also a country rife with corruption.

May 2014--Russian oil output, the world's largest, slipped by 0.2 percent to 10.54 million barrels per day in April, declining for the fourth month in a row as production from new fields failed to offset a slowdown from mature deposits.

This is the longest streak of declining monthly output for years and is a negative signal for the state budget, half of whose revenues come from sales of oil and gas.

40 posted on 07/30/2014 3:17:51 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

none of this is especially important. Regardless of whether they are number 1,2, or 3, they are still in a position to threaten dollar hegemony and I have to conclude that Obama’s anti-Putin rhetoric reflects this realization especially in light of the extremes we have gone to in the past to prevent lesser OPEC nations from trading their petroleum products for currencies other than dollars.


41 posted on 07/30/2014 3:23:42 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: kabar

“There are too many on FR willing to believe Putin”

True...even one is too many for me, but the support seems to be waning.

I thing initially, the support from a lot of them came as a (anti-Obama) play that made sense to them. After all, Putin seems to care about his borders, curtails most all social movements like the “Gay” business, Certainly does not allow the Muslims to gain much power.

So to some of them, Putin is good role model, but unfortunately for them, they don’t see that he a authoritarian fascist akin to the Mussolini government.

They also don’t seem to understand that he’s a product of the times after the fall of Communism and the USSR.

For all those reasons and more they should temper their enthusiasm as it applies to Putin and Russia where once again they are creating a Sino-Russian, as opposed to the Sino-Soviet pact against the US. It’s a sign that nothing has changed but the “name and description”.

Just goes to show you how people allow themselves to be manipulated, simply to oppose Obama.


42 posted on 07/30/2014 3:29:58 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: RC one
We will just agree to disagree. Russia is no threat to the dollar's current position as the global currency.

especially in light of the extremes we have gone to in the past to prevent lesser OPEC nations from trading their petroleum products for currencies other than dollars.

Really? Do you have any source for that assertion?

43 posted on 07/30/2014 3:52:20 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Cold Heat

I agree. Most of the support for Putin has to do with the way he stands up to Obama and usually wins. We don’t have Reps doing something similar. Still, Obama may lose to Putin, but the reality is that America loses as well. I take no satisfaction from Obama’s humiliation by Putin.


44 posted on 07/30/2014 3:55:05 PM PDT by kabar
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To: RC one
EIA says that US is No 1, Saudi Arabia @2, and Russia #3 in oil production for 2013.
45 posted on 07/30/2014 4:10:04 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Nor I.

I want him to lose, in terms of his plan to remake the US into another Marxist crud hole. I certainly don’t want the Russians and their Chinese geopolitical partners to score a major victory in the US.

Unfortunately, while we debate this side issue, they are, I believe, scoring that victory as we speak, with the tacit approval of Obama and his ilk.

We are being destabilized and it’s not all because of Obama, but it’s Obama’s weaknesses that they are most definitely exploiting right now.

If I were them, I would do it too...If the goal was to reduce us to a broke, insignificant former global power in the same way as The Brits, Italy (Rome), France, the Portuguese, and the Greeks. and I suppose I should add Nazi Germany.

Once it’s even half done, they can do as they please, as can anyone else.


46 posted on 07/30/2014 4:11:12 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Why is anyone surprised?


47 posted on 07/30/2014 4:20:38 PM PDT by McGruff (I don't trust the Russians but I don't trust the Ukrainians either.)
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To: kabar

It’s a straw man argument. It doesn’t matter who is first, second, or third when the overall difference in production is negligible. What’s more, Russia is allied with other OPEC nations, like Iran who are also interested in killing the petrodollar or, at the very least, holding it hostage.


48 posted on 07/30/2014 6:36:39 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: kabar
Really? Do you have any source for that assertion?

You're very naive, aren't you?

49 posted on 07/30/2014 6:41:02 PM PDT by RC one (Militarized law enforcement is just a nice way of saying martial law enforcement.)
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To: RC one
Russia is not allied with OPEC. And Saudi Arabia is the one country that really runs OPEC. It calls the tune and wants to keep the dollar as the global currency. I spent 5 years in the Kingdom, which is a significant trading partner with the US.

There are 80,000 Saudi students in the US.

50 posted on 07/30/2014 7:54:08 PM PDT by kabar
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