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After shaky start, Ukraine turns eastern offensive around
AFP ^ | Oleksandr Savochenko

Posted on 07/30/2014 6:36:01 AM PDT by elhombrelibre

When Ukraine's military offensive to oust pro-Russian rebels from the restive east began in mid-April with humiliated soldiers meekly surrendering their armoured vehicles it looked doomed to failure.

But after more than three months of brutal fighting that has claimed some 1,100 lives, a sudden advance by battle-hardened government forces in recent weeks has seen them snatch back a string of key towns and left the once confident insurgents scrambling.

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1 posted on 07/30/2014 6:36:01 AM PDT by elhombrelibre
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To: elhombrelibre

Putin certainly didn’t expect to be beaten by the Ukrainian army. He can be thankful that the old USSR never faced the US in a war.


2 posted on 07/30/2014 6:45:04 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: txrefugee

You’re going to upset his fan club.


3 posted on 07/30/2014 6:45:32 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Obama’s World


4 posted on 07/30/2014 6:45:46 AM PDT by mgist (.)
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To: elhombrelibre
"Russian President Vladimir Putin might be looking for a way out in the wake of tougher international sanctions and the downing of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17."

With international ire on MH17 giving Ukrainian forces a "carte blanche" to deal with the separatists...

People ask who would benefit from this airliner shoot-down. Not the Russians. Ironically after the shoot-down planes were diverted from the conflict area to over Russian territory.

5 posted on 07/30/2014 6:51:10 AM PDT by McGruff (I don't trust the Russians but I don't trust the Ukrainians either.)
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To: elhombrelibre
This was one of the expected outcomes.

If the Ukraine politicians maintained the will to fight, the military would eventually recover and start defeating the rebels.

Other good news from the article is in the captions of the pictures. Russian separatist sending their families to Russia. Not a good morale move for them.

6 posted on 07/30/2014 6:52:48 AM PDT by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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To: McGruff

I believe the plane was not shot down on purpose. Putin’s cretins bragged about shooting down a military aircraft. The didn’t brag about shooting a civilian one.


7 posted on 07/30/2014 6:53:25 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: fireforeffect

They all should go to Russia; they seem to love Putinism. Let them live under it instead of forcing others into it.


8 posted on 07/30/2014 6:55:14 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre
Putin’s cretins bragged about shooting down a military aircraft.

According to some unverified tapes put out by the Ukrainian government. They wouldn't lie would they.

9 posted on 07/30/2014 7:01:51 AM PDT by McGruff (I don't trust the Russians but I don't trust the Ukrainians either.)
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To: elhombrelibre

“I believe the plane was not shot down on purpose.”

So no rocket was launched, right? After all if you don’t want to shoot down a plane you don’t fire rockets at it, right? The truth of the matter is, and maybe this is what you were trying to say, the plane was most deliberately targeted and fired upon and downed - just as the rebels wanted. It just turned out to be the wrong kind of plane. It was deliberately shot down (hence, they DELIBERATELY fired a rocket at it), but it turned out to be the wrong kind of plane than what they anticipated.


10 posted on 07/30/2014 7:11:08 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
A technical and semantic point is that the rebels fired a missile. Rockets are not guided. Missiles are guided. You're exactly right that I meant that their intent was to shoot down a military aircraft. They hit a civilian plane instead. They then bragged about it. Then, they denied they shot it. Then, they claimed someone else shot it. Had they known they were going to hit a civilian plane I'm sure they'd not have bragged about it. I'm also sure that they would have not wanted the political wrath that their unprofessional actions have brought to their benighted cause of Putinism (a lowbrow form of Russian chauvinism).

One of the points that Putinistas try to make is that only the Ukrainians benefit from this shoot down. Of course, if that were true, why won’t Putin’s proxies cooperate in exposing the crash site to investigators so the truth can be proven? And then you run up against the white trash Putinista actions of these vicious thugs with their looting of the crash site. You get one of them preening on the web with the makeup from a victim. You get the ghoulish treatment of the airplane victims that expose the soulless nature of the Putin proxies.

11 posted on 07/30/2014 7:21:40 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: McGruff

I mean you believe Putin about all of his crimes and empire building. It’s not like you’re a objective critical thinker.


12 posted on 07/30/2014 7:22:46 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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13 posted on 07/30/2014 7:24:43 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: elhombrelibre
“It’s not like you’re a objective critical thinker”

We all can't be like you.

That was sarcasm if you didn't get it.

14 posted on 07/30/2014 7:27:54 AM PDT by McGruff (I don't trust the Russians but I don't trust the Ukrainians either.)
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To: McGruff

We live in a world where nothing is what it seems. What is Obama’s relationship with Putin? They pretend to be at odds over the Ukraine, Obama is definitely with Soros, who is supposedly against Russia. Putin is a gangster, if he wanted, he could take Soros out. Unless there is truth to Soros being an Rothschild lackey.

Putin treats Obama with indifference. Russia is also with duplicitous Iran, so is Qatar. Obama’s “sanctions” left off some major names in the Russian mafia, which implies posturing by Obama. Known Russian gangsters can still come and go freely into the US. We have Hezbollah, Al Qaeda and the Russian mafia all over this hemisphere. Obama is bringing the terrorists in the front door. Are they all in collusion?

2011 Al-Qaeda reported in Honduras

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2145/al-qaeda-honduras
US. Government Warns Honduras of Possible Al-Qaeda Infiltration

http://www.hispanicallyspeakingnews.com/latino-daily-news/details/us.-government-warns-honduras-of-possible-al-qaeda-infiltration/7906/
Obama shut down the NDIC in 2012, the itelligence agency dedicated to tracking terrorism funded by drug trafficking.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/tag/national-drug-intelligence-center/

“Mexican cartel violence is at an all-time high along the increasingly porous southern border yet the Obama Administration has shut down a critical intelligence agency dedicated to identifying, tracking and severing the nexus between drug trafficking and terrorism.”

The last report from the NDIC in 2012 had dire warnings about growing problems on the border that were “tantamount to living in a war zone”.

Obama closed NDIC in 2012, and said Holder’s DEA was going to be taking over the NDIC work. The DEA has no reports since 2012.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/14/doj-shuts-down-national-drug-intelligence-center-no-2012-reports-released-video/?utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F

State Department Reports Hezbollah Increasing Drug and Terrorism in South America 2013

http://interamericansecuritywatch.com/exporting-terror-in-americas-backyard/

“There has indeed been a “marked resurgence” of Iranian state sponsorship of terrorism over the past 18 months. But as the new Nisman report drives home, here’s an even more disturbing fact — Iran has run intelligence networks in the United States’ backyard to “sponsor, foster and execute terrorist attacks” for decades.”

“Criminal plans” by Iran could be under way in Brazil, Colombia, Chile, Paraguay, Uruguay Suriname and Trinidad and Tobago, the report said.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/03/world/americas/iran-latin-america/
Mexican Cartels Buying Afghan Heroin

http://www.banderasnews.com/1101/nr-afghanheroin.htm

2013 Dirty doctors, Russian mafia fueling legal Rx drug and heroin abuse in N.J., investigation finds.
http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/07/nj_state_commission_of_investigation_prescription_drug_heroin_abuse.html

Interesting how a bio-terror weapon is flooding the black market and the FED hardly blinks. The possibility of street dealers cutting their own heroin with Fentanyl is zero.

Afghans cash crop is thriving under the current protection of the US military.
Heroin production hits record levels in Afghanistan - study
http://rt.com/news/156128-afghanistan-drugs-usa-heroin/

Drug War? American Troops Are Protecting Afghan Opium. U.S. Occupation Leads to All-Time High Heroin Production
http://www.globalresearch.ca/drug-war-american-troops-are-protecting-afghan-opium-u-s-occupation-leads-to-all-time-high-heroin-production/5358053

Killer batch of white heroin responsible for at least 100 deaths across the country... and rising.The killer dope is a 50/50 blend of heroin and fentanyl

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2549944/Killer-heroin-fentanyl-epidemic-responsible-100-deaths-country-rising-half-month.html#ixzz38sx8FJNy

2002 Fentanyl used as weapon by Terrorists in Russia
http://www.haaretz.com/news/russia-says-theater-siege-gas-based-on-fentanyl-1.29898

Also interesting is that Fentanyl is linked as an assassination weapon to Israel’s Mossad. The Pharmaceutical company that produces Fentanyl was sued September 2008. Cephalon paid $425 million to the federal government to settle four whistleblower lawsuits and a criminal charge alleging Cephalon had marketed Actiq, Gabitril and Provigil for “off-label” (unapproved) uses. Fentanyl is approximately 100 times more potent than morphine, and can not be traced in the body after 6 hours.

In 2011 an Israeli company, Teva purchased Cephalon the makers of pharmaceutical Fentanyl. So “Fentanyl” is produced in Israel.

Soros Fund Management is one of Teva’s top Institutional Holders.

1997 Israel’s Mossad was accused of using Fentanyl in assassinations.”The damage to Israel’s vaunted spy service has been particularly acute. Not only was Israel forced to disclose information about what it said was a new assassination technique — believed to be based on a synthetic opiate called Fentanyl — but more importantly, for several years the Mossad spy agency had been quietly allowed to keep an office in Amman, and now Jordan has thrown it out.”

http://www.nytimes.com/1997/10/15/world/the-daring-attack-that-blew-up-in-israel-s-face.html

Meanwhile in Obama’s America...
Heroin Becomes Cheaper and More Available July 2014
http://www.statesmanjournal.com/longform/news/crime/2014/07/20/heroin-becomes-cheaper-available/12906981/

“The horrific toll of America’s heroin ‘epidemic”
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26672422
America’s Heroin Epidemic -BBC 2014

Pretty sure the criminals are running the show, and truth is better than fiction.


15 posted on 07/30/2014 7:30:59 AM PDT by mgist (.)
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To: elhombrelibre
One of the points that Putinistas try to make is that only the Ukrainians benefit from this shoot down. Of course, if that were true, why won’t Putin’s proxies cooperate in exposing the crash site to investigators so the truth can be proven?

That would require a level of cognitive ability not available to those who simply repeat what they read or hear on RT.

16 posted on 07/30/2014 7:49:01 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

RT isn’t the only controlled media out there.


17 posted on 07/30/2014 8:01:12 AM PDT by mgist (.)
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To: mgist

So what? You have a point?


18 posted on 07/30/2014 8:25:47 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: fireforeffect

Even worse on moral is hearing of an advanced weapons crew and one of their leaders being disappeared.

When moral folds soldiers eventually break and flee. Russia has been bumbling this internationally and has been outed for direct artillery fires into Ukraine. They’ve lost their will to pursue this. The rebels may now realize this.


19 posted on 07/30/2014 8:27:35 AM PDT by Justa
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To: elhombrelibre

ok,
So the dumbasses mistook a civilian jetliner.
Like the dems say, never let a tragedy go unused.
And the world is using this as a reason to turn against puttie pooh.


20 posted on 07/30/2014 8:30:29 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
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To: McGruff

Actually, you could be more like me. You could choose to think like a conservative, God-fearing Christian instead of crass Putin-worshiping lowbrow.


21 posted on 07/30/2014 9:05:51 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: 1rudeboy
It's as if these folks never read about the Gulag or the 70 years worth of crimes of the Soviet communist party. So they cannot understand just how cruel, sick and depraved Putin was a party member and KGB Colonel. Nor do they understand that Putin wasn't just a party member in the secret police; he was a second generation secret policeman. He's been a deceptive fraud as long as he's had a public life. Putin's opposition to Obama is merely opportunism. His commitment to rebuilding the Russian/Soviet empire is heartfelt. Their commitment to Putin is at best naïve.
22 posted on 07/30/2014 9:14:15 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre

You might want to remove Pro-freedom from your tagline. You aren’t in this case.


23 posted on 07/30/2014 9:39:20 AM PDT by McGruff (I don't trust the Russians but I don't trust the Ukrainians either.)
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To: McGruff

And you might want to write about your bedwetting problem and how it impacts your love of Putin.


24 posted on 07/30/2014 9:57:53 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre
". . . God-fearing Christian instead of crass Putin-worshiping lowbrow.

Now someone isn't a God fearing Christian just because they don't believe what the US and European media are spoon feeding them?

So, then, the media believes in supporting "marrying" queers to one another and unless you support that too you're not a "God Fearing Christian".

Great, since you're four square behind the US media worldview, does little el have two daddies by any chance?

You're doing exactly what every stinkin' liberal democrat scumbag does when anyone disagrees with them; cranking up the name calling and outright lies until people just give up on a given site as a worthwhile place to actually discuss anything.

25 posted on 07/30/2014 10:13:32 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: McGruff

forgot to ping you on my previous comment.


26 posted on 07/30/2014 10:14:16 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin

Let me see if I can follow you: if I believe the U.S. version of events, I am in favor of homosexual marriage? Is that why I need to “discuss” Russian propaganda?


27 posted on 07/30/2014 10:20:54 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Rashputin
Are you obsessed with fags and queers? If you are, tell me how that's germane to the subject at hand. I know Puitn's a champion of this subject.

If I tell you two and two is four, and you say that's a queer answer, I'll know you've come to grips with your inability to think about facts. I'm against the Gay agenda. My opposition to the Gay agenda won't drive me into the pro-Putin gangster statesman agenda.

28 posted on 07/30/2014 10:21:51 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: 1rudeboy

Tell little el’s other daddy hi.


29 posted on 07/30/2014 10:28:44 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: txrefugee
In 1945, the US could not defeat the USSR. Germany couldn't do it, and Patton was all mouth.

You should thank Russia for defeating Hitler, or we would have suffered double.

30 posted on 07/30/2014 10:28:44 AM PDT by duckln
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To: elhombrelibre

Thank you for proving my point.


31 posted on 07/30/2014 10:29:10 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin

Piss off, commie.


32 posted on 07/30/2014 10:29:38 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Waaaa, Waaaa

ROTFLOL

Say, how about those SS-21s the Ukraine Army is firing into Donetsk? Accurate? Big enough to take out a whole apartment building in a single blow?

Yes sir, tell us again how Kiev cares about civilian casualties.

33 posted on 07/30/2014 10:33:58 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: elhombrelibre
My opposition to the Gay agenda won't drive me into the pro-Putin gangster statesman agenda.

How about his standing with Egypt and Syria against the Muslim Brotherhood. Would that do it?

34 posted on 07/30/2014 10:35:57 AM PDT by duckln
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To: Rashputin
Yes sir, tell us again how Kiev cares about civilian casualties.

When did I ever do that? Seriously, do you ever stop making crap up? First, I support homos . . . now, I believe in bloodless war.

35 posted on 07/30/2014 10:39:05 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: elhombrelibre

You stay classy elhombrelibre.


36 posted on 07/30/2014 10:43:23 AM PDT by McGruff (I don't trust the Russians but I don't trust the Ukrainians either.)
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To: McGruff

Thanks, McGruff, I didn’t expect that from you.


37 posted on 07/30/2014 10:53:40 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: 1rudeboy
"First, I support homos . . . "

I bet you feel better now that you're out of the closet.

"now, I believe in bloodless war."

So I ask about civilian casualties and that's your response. Good, now we have the fact that Kiev is unconcerned with slaughtering civilians right up front. Those of us who actually think things through rather than regurgitating the media machine lies already knew that, but, it's nice of you to admit that killing civilians is part and parcel of Kiev policy.

So, how do you like having your own logic and BS tactics applied to you?

38 posted on 07/30/2014 10:54:12 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin

What is your point? You admire Putin and want Russia’s neighbors’ to be subjugated by him, right, Rash Putin?


39 posted on 07/30/2014 10:57:31 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: Rashputin

I honestly think, despite your hand-wringing about civilian casualties, that you wouldn’t care one whit about them if they were caused by the Russians, or their fellow-travelers.


40 posted on 07/30/2014 11:14:52 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: elhombrelibre; Rasputin

Can you believe this BS? Some friggin’ Russian numbnut asks me about civilian casualties, and now I’m in favor of them.


41 posted on 07/30/2014 11:18:10 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy; Rashputin

Well, Rash-Putinista is deeply committed to Putin the man; he cannot bare anyone saying bad things about Putin and his proxies. You combing Rasputin with Putin and that’s what you get. I have to wonder about the dunderhead in Russia who thought that’d be swell name for a Putin agent posting on US webpages.


42 posted on 07/30/2014 11:26:31 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre
Put your little head back on mamma media and suck down some more. You'll feel better real soon.

Oh, and one thing I've posted from RT? Go ahead, lie.

43 posted on 07/30/2014 11:31:02 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: txrefugee

Only a matter of time until Russia sends in it’s forces for real.


44 posted on 07/30/2014 11:34:00 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: 1rudeboy
You nitwits keep playin' the media fiddle for your buddy Obama while the US burns.

You're doing whatever cause it is you think you're helping a lot more harm than good around FR.

45 posted on 07/30/2014 11:37:51 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin
So now I'm an Obama supporter? Seriously, take your fake "outrage" and stuff it. Just STFU.
46 posted on 07/30/2014 11:40:26 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Rashputin

“Mama media?” Did they teach you that at the Russian language school? What type of weird vernacular or slang did they teach a dull goober like you? Your clumsy efforts to prop up Putin are bad enough, now real Americans are supposed to figure out your own misconceptions of our language. Go back to whatever Russian slum you’re from.


47 posted on 07/30/2014 11:43:11 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: 1rudeboy
I say "civilian", you change the subject to "bloodless war" to which I respond with a completely logical deduction from your answering my question with that dodge of a response and now you're upset?

Well, you certainly do look even more absurd and witless than usual so that must be the cause

I notice you don't like anyone dishing out to you the exact same logic you apply to others. Why is that? Something in your training manual or do the Obama media loving types pick that up naturally?

And yes, you are by design or accident a rabid Obama supporter in this instance.

Have a nice day

48 posted on 07/30/2014 11:48:44 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin

I really wonder if this is how it works on Russian message-boards. People just making crap up and arguing with the images in their own heads


49 posted on 07/30/2014 11:55:04 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: McGruff; elhombrelibre
According to some unverified tapes put out by the Ukrainian government. They wouldn't lie would they.

You keep putting out this false information. The confessions of Strelkov do not initially come from any tapes. Strelkov confessed on social media and to Russian media, which picked up the story of a "downed" cargo plane and were the first on scene. This is separate entirely from the tapes, which also confirm their involvement. Furthermore, those tapes are not "unverified." Bezler admitted that they were real, though he claimed he was "taken out of context." In so doing, as I like to remind you (you should be reading this post twice now), he admits to taking orders and reporting straight to the Russian GRU with whom he was in contact with.

Therefore, every time you say "unverified tapes," you are lying doubly. First, by ignoring the social media confessions. Secondly, by ignoring Bezler's confession on the tapes' authenticity.

50 posted on 07/30/2014 12:34:34 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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