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U.S. Economy Rebounds In Spring With GDP Expanding At 4 Percent Rate
NPR ^ | 07/30/2014 | EYDER PERALTA

Posted on 07/30/2014 6:58:07 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

The Commerce Department had some good news about the U.S. economy today: Rebounding from a quarter of negative growth, Commerce said the country's gross domestic product expanded at a 4 percent annual rate during the second quarter.

"The increase in real GDP in the second quarter primarily reflected positive contributions from personal consumption expenditures (PCE), private inventory investment, exports, nonresidential fixed investment, state and local government spending, and residential fixed investment," Commerce said in a statement.

As The Wall Street Journal sees it, the positive news is fueling hopes "for sustained growth in the second half of 2014." The paper adds:

"The solid gains come on the heels of a first quarter when the economy shrank at a 2.1% pace. While still the worst quarter of the current recovery, the figure reflects an upward revision from a previously estimated 2.9% contraction. The economy only grew at about a 1% pace for the first half of 2014.

"Annual revisions, also released Wednesday, showed the economy also expanded at a 4% pace in the second half of 2013, the best six-month stretch in 10 years.


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1 posted on 07/30/2014 6:58:07 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Great news, until it’s revised downwards 3 points at a later date.


2 posted on 07/30/2014 6:59:58 AM PDT by Obadiah (None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.)
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To: SeekAndFind

LOL, well, if anybody was wondering if the ‘Rats were going to fabricate another talking point for the mid-terms, here it is


3 posted on 07/30/2014 7:00:18 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: SeekAndFind

Riiiiiiiight.


4 posted on 07/30/2014 7:00:23 AM PDT by SpirituTuo
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To: Obadiah

... until it’s revised downwards....

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You beat me to it ..... exactly what I was thinking. :-)


5 posted on 07/30/2014 7:02:17 AM PDT by Qiviut ( One of the most delightful things about a garden is the anticipation it provides. (W.E. Johns)
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To: SeekAndFind

The economy is stronger than even Obama’s ability to screw things up. If this keeps up through election day, it’s all over.


6 posted on 07/30/2014 7:02:29 AM PDT by paristexas
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To: Obadiah
Exactly.

You'd think the Commerce Dept & media would try a new scam every once in awhile.

7 posted on 07/30/2014 7:02:58 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: SeekAndFind

There’s a pot of derivatives at the end of the rainbow, I tells ya.


8 posted on 07/30/2014 7:03:49 AM PDT by Stentor (Maybe the Goldman Sachs thing is just a coincidence. /S)
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To: SeekAndFind

Down 2.9% in one quarter, up 4% the next. Are they going to attribute this to “good weather”?

Things do not swing this wildly without flawed or false data. These books are so cooked one must wear asbestos gloves to read them.


9 posted on 07/30/2014 7:04:27 AM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: SeekAndFind

National Propaganda Radio quoting “statistics” provided by the Commerce Dept.

I just know that I m going to find a job in the next 10 years or so, maybe longer, but we have finally turned the corner and happy days are here again.

I am so happy about this I think I am about to go into labor and give birth to an Obama in the toilet bowl...

I am registered for the blessed event at Charmin if you should wish to give a gift to me.


10 posted on 07/30/2014 7:06:01 AM PDT by the anti-mahdi
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To: SeekAndFind

FReepers claiming the numbers are rigged (and last quartr was spot on): EXPECTED!

(BTW I said after last quarter that 2QGDP would be >3% :-)

As for professional analysis, here is Stone McCarthy:

Stone & McCarthy (Princeton) - This update contains our first impressions of the release of the U.S. GDP data. A full analysis will be available later as a separate update.
The BEA’s advance estimate of real GDP growth for Q2 2014 GDP growth was reported at 4.0% SAAR. The Q2 growth rate follows a 2.1% drop in real GDP in Q1 (previously -2.9%). The Q2 results were much stronger than expected. Consumer spending was firm, particularly for durable goods.

Non-residential fixed investment and exports also contributed to the gain.

Note: Previously reported data have been revised. The data incorporated in today’s report reflects the regular annual revision of the national income and product accounts (NIPAs), beginning with the estimates for the first quarter of 1999. Annual revisions, which are usually released in July, incorporate source data that are more complete, more detailed, and otherwise more reliable than those previously available.

Our estimate of 2.3% GDP growth compared with the median consensus of 3.0%. Market estimates ranged from 1.9% to 5.2%.

The FOMC is likely to regard the second quarter rise as a rebound from the soft first quarter. In the near-term it should not change the Committee’s overall outlook for winding down the asset purchase program, or advance the timing of the first hike in the fed funds rate.

Real PCE was strong, rising 2.5% in Q2 versus 1.2% in Q1. In particular, PCE for goods rose by 6.2% SAAR versus 1.0% in Q1. However, PCE for services was 0.7%, down from +1.3% in Q1. The contribution to GDP from PCE was 1.38% versus our estimate of 1.1%.

Nonresidential fixed investment rose 5.5% versus +1.6% in Q1. Particularly, spending on structures rose 5.3%, up from +2.9% in Q1.

The contribution to GDP from inventories was +1.0% versus -1.7% in Q1 and 0.02% in Q4. We were expecting inventories to contribute 1.0% to GDP.

Net exports made a negative contribution of 0.10% to GDP which was as we expected.

The GDP price index rose at a 2.0% SAAR versus 1.3% in Q2 and 1.5% in Q1 2014


11 posted on 07/30/2014 7:07:06 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: SeekAndFind
Here is GDP original and revisions by component:


12 posted on 07/30/2014 7:08:09 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: LostInBayport

Everyone knew 1Q was screwed up (way too low which is why most estimates were ~3%). Everyone saying 2Q is wrong (way too high). At the end of the day the economy is growing 1.5-2.0% per year. Right where we have been the last few years.


13 posted on 07/30/2014 7:10:10 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: SeekAndFind

I can recall when the 1st QTR figures came out (minus 2.9%) there was a prediction from one of the blogs that the 2nd QTR figures would jump up due to the removal of the Obamacare data in the 1st QTR.


14 posted on 07/30/2014 7:15:02 AM PDT by kabar
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To: SeekAndFind

While still the worst quarter of the current recovery, the figure reflects an upward revision from a previously estimated 2.9% contraction. The economy only grew at about a 1% pace for the first half of 2014.

The “Summer of Recovery 6.0.” How many trillions of dollars of debt are behind this “recovery?”


16 posted on 07/30/2014 7:17:38 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: LostInBayport
There were some wild swings back in the early 80's but this does not feel like an 80's economy to me.


18 posted on 07/30/2014 7:18:34 AM PDT by jpsb (Believe nothing until it has been officially denied)
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19 posted on 07/30/2014 7:21:25 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: SeekAndFind
Here Is The Reason For The Total Collapse In Q1 GDP Submitted by Tyler Durden on 06/25/2014

Remember back in April, when the first GDP estimate was released (a gargantuan by comparison 0.1% hence revised to a depression equivalent -2.9%), we wrote: "If It Wasn't For Obamacare, Q1 GDP Would Be Negative." Well, now that GDP is not only negative, but the worst it has been in five years, we are once again proven right. But not only because GDP was indeed negative, but because the real reason for today's epic collapse in GDP was, you guessed it, Obamacare. Here is the chart we posted in April, showing the contribution of Obamacare, aka Healthcare Services spending. It was, in a word, an all time high.

Turns out this number was based on.... nothing.

Because as the next chart below shows, between the second and final revision of Q1 GDP something dramatic happened: instead of contributing $40 billion to real GDP in Q1, Obamacare magically ended up subtracting $6.4 billion from GDP. This, in turn, resulted in a collapse in Personal Consumption Expenditures as a percentage of GDP to just 0.7%, the lowest since 2009!

Don't worry though: this is actually great news! Because the brilliant propaganda minds at the Dept of Commerce figured out something banks also realized with the stub "kitchen sink" quarter in November 2008. Namely, since Q1 is a total loss in GDP terms, let's just remove Obamacare spending as a contributor to Q1 GDP and just shove it in Q2.

Stated otherwise, some $40 billion in PCE that was supposed to boost Q1 GDP will now be added to Q2-Q4.

And now, we all await as the US department of truth says, with a straight face, that in Q2 the US GDP "grew" by over 5% (no really: you'll see).

20 posted on 07/30/2014 7:23:18 AM PDT by kabar
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To: SeekAndFind

See ,Obama said the Illegals would be good for the country ,BARF


21 posted on 07/30/2014 7:23:50 AM PDT by molson209 (Blank)
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To: SeekAndFind

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA . . .


22 posted on 07/30/2014 7:26:25 AM PDT by rhubarbk (It's official, I'm suffering from Obama fatigue!)
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To: jpsb

That’s 1Q12 estimate... That was later revised to +2.3%

He was referring to 1Q14 - Advance estimate was +0.1%, later revised to the -2.9%. Today revised to -2.1%

The revisions schedule is published and is as follows:

August 28th - 2Q14 1st revision
September 26th - 2Q14 2nd revision
October 30th - 2Q14 3rd revision and 3Q14 Advance

Oh and I definitely agree on your 80’s economy comment. 1.5-2.0% growth is significantly behind the Reagan recovery. And from arguably a much worse recession.


23 posted on 07/30/2014 7:27:11 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: LostInBayport

I’m wondering if government expenditures on bammycare subsidies are now included in the GDP.


24 posted on 07/30/2014 7:33:37 AM PDT by lacrew
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To: lacrew

I think that is the case. I listen to Tom Sullivan on Fox Radio, and a while back he warned that the two quarters before the midterms were going to show explosive growth due to the Obamacare subsidies. I think the first quarter numbers displayed such a drop for that reason - they shifted the subsidies and took a hit early so they could reap the benefit later.

At least that’s what I understood.


25 posted on 07/30/2014 7:44:36 AM PDT by LostInBayport (When there are more people riding in the cart than there are pulling it, the cart stops moving...)
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To: SeekAndFind
From BI:

The Recovery Doesn't Look As Good After A Revision Buried In Today's GDP Report

REUTERS/Eric Thayer

A home that was damaged by Hurricane Sandy, is seen in Union Beach, New Jersey November 12, 2012. The current economic recovery is still just so-so.

As part of today's initial GDP report from the Bureau of Economic Analysis, the BEA also revised GDP for 2011 to 2013 down to 2.0% from 2.2%.

For the period spanning the fourth quarter of 2010 through the first quarter of this year, real GDP growth remained 1.8%, the same rate as previously published.

From the BEA:

The percent change in real GDP was revised down 0.2 percentage point for 2011, was revised down 0.5 percentage point for 2012, and was revised up 0.3 percentage point for 2013.

For 2011, the largest contributors to the downward revision to the percent change in real GDP were a downward revision to personal consumption expenditures (PCE) and an upward revision to imports.

For 2012, the largest contributors to the downward revision were downward revisions to PCE and to state and local government spending.

For 2013, the largest contributors to the upward revision were upward revisions to PCE and to state and local government spending; these revisions were partly offset by a downward revision to private inventory investment."

In its report following the GDP report, The Wall Street Journal said that the recovery that began in 2009 is the weakest since World War II.

This chart shows how GDP growth has been inconsistent since the financial crisis.

This table from the BEA shows quarterly GDP through 2011 and annually going back to 2010.

The latest GDP report also included annual GDP revisions going back to 1999, seen in this table from the GDP.


26 posted on 07/30/2014 8:01:12 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: lacrew

Short answer, not a material impact: http://www.businessinsider.com/healthcare-spending-estimates-gdp-data-2014-7

Article also helps demonstrate how difficult it is to measure GDP. People on here want to rip the BEA for their “revisions” but given the data they have to work with and the timeframe it’s pretty amazing they get the info out at all. My company has yet to report our last quarter results and we are a $1.2 billion company with 5,000 employees. Significantly less complex than a $16 Trillion economy of 350 million people...


27 posted on 07/30/2014 8:05:01 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: SeekAndFind
Happy Days Are Here Again!
28 posted on 07/30/2014 8:12:48 AM PDT by Gritty (Obama's governing as president of a Latin American republic, where only the president matters-MSteyn)
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To: SeekAndFind

If we average the last two quarters, growth is 0.5%. Big whoop.


29 posted on 07/30/2014 8:22:47 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: SeekAndFind

How did they “cook the books?”


30 posted on 07/30/2014 8:54:28 AM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished. It will just take a while before everyone realizes it.)
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To: SeekAndFind

DJIA likes that good news. /sarc


31 posted on 07/30/2014 8:57:04 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: SeekAndFind

So.... How are these illegals counted in the calculations?

THEY AREN’T except to say that the government spending that goes in to their welfare counts toward the GDP.


32 posted on 07/30/2014 8:57:05 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: paristexas
If this keeps up through election day, it’s all over.

Only have one more such report.

33 posted on 07/30/2014 8:58:45 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: SeekAndFind

It must be Fake Number Wednesday, later to be followed by Revision News Dump Friday.


34 posted on 07/30/2014 9:04:58 AM PDT by fwdude (The last time the GOP ran an "extremist," Reagan won 44 states.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I wonder if they are going to publish the recipe on cooking the the books.


35 posted on 07/30/2014 9:05:48 AM PDT by WilliamRobert (We are doomed if good men stand by and do nothing.)
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To: Obadiah; Wyatt's Torch; SeekAndFind; Excellence
52% of the GDP in the past year has been due to growth in inventories. I am sure the Commerce Dept threw in 1% point for Game of Thrones premiering in Q2.

This number will be revised downward.

36 posted on 07/30/2014 9:14:03 AM PDT by Perdogg (I'm on a no Carb diet- NO Christie Ayotte Romney or Bush)
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To: Wyatt's Torch

Gary Shilling says the number is closer to 1%. There has been a very flat Core Capex.


37 posted on 07/30/2014 9:15:40 AM PDT by Perdogg (I'm on a no Carb diet- NO Christie Ayotte Romney or Bush)
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To: Wyatt's Torch

We are in a very weak recovery that is far from widespread. Many don’t feel any recovery. The current administration has mismanaged their policies and deserves little or no credit- only the dynamism of the economy generates any growth at all.

That said, people need to look at reality and stop being so political about the stats. The market yawned at the report, but too many conservatives fear any growth for fear of political (novermer elections) implications. Don’t fear one quarter results. Sure the media will try to portray this as the recovery the admin has been touting for 5 years. But after cying wolf for 5 years, their credibilty is very low with most. The real numbers don’t matter to the media anyway. They twist the numbers to fit their narrative.


38 posted on 07/30/2014 9:40:42 AM PDT by quimby
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To: SeekAndFind

BS propaganda from NPR.


39 posted on 07/30/2014 9:54:38 AM PDT by rockinqsranch ((Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.))
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To: quimby

Great post. Dead on. Not to mention that GDP is perhaps the most worthless econ stat around. It’s backward looking. Industrial Production is a far better indicator of economic health.


40 posted on 07/30/2014 10:00:28 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Perdogg

yeah 1.5-2% is probably about right for this economy. Been sluggish for several years and won’t improve much past that with Obama in office. Too anti-business.


41 posted on 07/30/2014 10:01:52 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: SeekAndFind

OK freepers! Its time to go out and spend, spend, spend to stimulate the economy and make Obama look good, good, good.


42 posted on 07/30/2014 10:40:16 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: SeekAndFind

Bump for an excellent thread


43 posted on 07/30/2014 11:20:27 AM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: the anti-mahdi

Up a little-—down a little-—the Grand Kenyan’s apologists do their dammdest to make it sound like it’s not ZERO. But anyway as soon as you know whether you’ll need pink or blue Charmin I’ll be happy to chip in for a couple squares. I think I know where to order the pre-center-hole punched kind which you’ll need while you ponder anything coming out of DC.


44 posted on 07/30/2014 12:38:03 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: quimby

GDP is a faulty measure, ever since it was manipulated by LBJ. GNP was always a better measure, but GDP is used for political reasons.


45 posted on 07/30/2014 3:12:00 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: kabar
"Namely, since Q1 is a total loss in GDP terms, let's just remove Obamacare spending as a contributor to Q1 GDP and just shove it in Q2."

But will it offset the downturn in production due to the unforeseen hit from Russian sanctions...?

46 posted on 07/30/2014 3:20:34 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; Conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: SeekAndFind
"The solid gains come on the heels of a first quarter when the economy shrank at a 2.1% pace. While still the worst quarter of the current recovery, the figure reflects an upward revision from a previously estimated 2.9% contraction. The economy only grew at about a 1% pace for the first half of 2014."

So which was the truth, and which was a lie?


47 posted on 07/30/2014 3:38:53 PM PDT by familyop ("Dry land is not just our destination, it is our destiny!" - -Deacon character, "Waterworld")
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To: SeekAndFind
"The increase in real GDP in the second quarter primarily reflected positive contributions from personal consumption expenditures (PCE), private inventory investment, exports, nonresidential fixed investment, state and local government spending, and residential fixed investment,"

That's funny!


48 posted on 07/30/2014 3:42:07 PM PDT by familyop ("Dry land is not just our destination, it is our destiny!" - -Deacon character, "Waterworld")
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To: SeekAndFind

The economy is doing so great, that convenience store retailers should raise the price of gas.

;-)

And BTW, the price of WTI crude oil is down near $99 per barrel. Those retailers should be making a killing this tourism summer.


49 posted on 07/30/2014 3:47:04 PM PDT by familyop ("Dry land is not just our destination, it is our destiny!" - -Deacon character, "Waterworld")
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To: Sam Gamgee

Thanks for the info. Never new why when gnp used to be universal. Figures it would be political- kinda like the changes in inflation measurement.


50 posted on 07/30/2014 4:47:22 PM PDT by quimby
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