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Pro-Russian rebels have booby-trapped MH17 crash site with landmines ...
The Daily Mail Online ^ | July 30, 2014 | Jill Reilly

Posted on 07/30/2014 11:12:03 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

claim Ukraine one day ahead of talks with Russia over access to the scene

Pro-Russian rebels have booby-trapped MH17 crash site with landmines, according to Ukraine's National Security and Defense Council, making it impossible for international investigators to access the scene of the crash.

Ukrainian military spokesman Andriy Lysenko said the rebels were digging in for battle near the crash site: 'They have brought a large number of heavy artillery there and mined approaches to this area. This makes impossible the work of international experts trying to start work to establish the reasons behind the Boeing 777 crash.'

The fighting in eastern Ukraine prevented representatives of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe reaching the crash site on Tuesday for the third successive day.

The news came hours after Belarus announced it will host talks between Ukraine, Russia and the OSCE security and rights organisation on the crisis.

President Alexander Lukashenko's office did not state when the discussions would take place but Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko asked Lukashenko to host them on Thursday and to focus on securing access to the site where a Malaysian airliner was brought down in east Ukraine.

'Decisions are being made on a political level on ensuring safety on the site,' Michael Bociurkiw, a spokesman for the OSCE in Ukraine said on Wednesday.

An OSCE convoy had earlier on Wednesday been stopped by rebels about 10 km (six miles) outside the city of Donetsk because of fighting further along the route, but OSCE officials later denied it had been trying to reach the crash site....

There was no indication pro-Russian separatists fighting Ukraine's army would attend the talks, although Lukashenko's office said 'all interested sides' were invited.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: mh17; ukraine

1 posted on 07/30/2014 11:12:03 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Okay

Now that’s just plain stupid.

If euwope doesn’t get into it with Russia then ....Efff em


2 posted on 07/30/2014 11:14:18 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Uncle Chip
Pro-Russian rebels have booby-trapped MH17 crash site with landmines ...

A little late, but it will certainly cut down on looting of the passengers' belongings.

3 posted on 07/30/2014 11:14:54 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (I want 0bama to make history - First to be IMPEACHED and REMOVED!)
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To: Uncle Chip

Putin’s proxies at their moral best...


4 posted on 07/30/2014 11:15:46 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

I’m thinking that about a dozen signs saying “Mine Zone” posted along the perimeter would have been sufficient —


5 posted on 07/30/2014 11:18:57 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: The Sons of Liberty

The land mines are being put in place by the looters.


6 posted on 07/30/2014 11:20:58 AM PDT by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: Uncle Chip

How does one say “Mine zone” in Spanish and pictorially?


7 posted on 07/30/2014 11:21:41 AM PDT by Ingtar (The NSA - "We're the only part of government who actually listens to the people.")
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To: Uncle Chip

I think everything was picked clean before the fires were put out. The only people it would effect now are “accident investigators” and we could save them some time - it was no accident.


9 posted on 07/30/2014 11:22:02 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (I want 0bama to make history - First to be IMPEACHED and REMOVED!)
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To: McGruff

Could you please check the title to make sure that I have it right —


10 posted on 07/30/2014 11:22:08 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
The area is populated with barbarians apparently.Maybe nuking the area would be a good idea.
11 posted on 07/30/2014 11:22:48 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Uncle Chip

Good news to our natural gas and propane industry in America, THAT IS, if the EU buys from us and the EPA gets off their backs.


12 posted on 07/30/2014 11:23:41 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (No realli, moose bytes can be quite nasti!!)
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To: Uncle Chip

If true, why? It’s incredibly bad PR, forgetting about the humanitarian/moral side.


13 posted on 07/30/2014 11:24:00 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

Post of the day!


14 posted on 07/30/2014 11:24:02 AM PDT by lormand (Inside every liberal is a dung slinging monkey)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

I saw where they opened up a Goodwill clothing store over there from just the clothes alone.

I expect a cosmetic store next.


15 posted on 07/30/2014 11:25:21 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: lormand

...and summarily zapped by the thread moderator!


16 posted on 07/30/2014 11:30:57 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alteration: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

“If true, why? It’s incredibly bad PR, forgetting about the humanitarian/moral side.”

I hear ya. I suppose PR goes out the window when you are trying to avoid a war crimes trial. Or something.


17 posted on 07/30/2014 11:31:18 AM PDT by Noamie
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To: Noamie

both sides have propagandists at work


18 posted on 07/30/2014 11:31:53 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

The locals went over the area like locusts before the fires even burned out.


19 posted on 07/30/2014 11:33:39 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Uncle Chip

Can anyone tell me what an “investigator” could possibly find anyway? Sa-11, captured from the Ukranians by the rebels mistakenly fired on a passenger plane that was trying to save fuel by cutting across a war zone,in my opinion. Is that it? Airplane fall down go boom. All killed. What other factoid is even possible.


20 posted on 07/30/2014 11:35:11 AM PDT by rlapuma
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To: Uncle Chip
Nothing to see hide here, move along..., move along...
21 posted on 07/30/2014 11:36:17 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Think how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are stupider than that.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Organization for Security and Cooperation,,, yeah, they always investigate planes that go down. They have nothing to do with FAA investigation work.


22 posted on 07/30/2014 11:37:05 AM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Farmer Dean
The locals went over the area like locusts before the fires even burned out.

When I was stationed in [West] Germany in the late 70's, it was interesting to see how fast an abandoned car on the side of the road would get stripped - sometimes down to the frame, so I suspect the MH17 crash site was like an anthill that had been kicked over.

23 posted on 07/30/2014 11:37:20 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (I want 0bama to make history - First to be IMPEACHED and REMOVED!)
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To: rlapuma
Can anyone tell me what an “investigator” could possibly find anyway? Sa-11, captured from the Ukranians by the rebels Russian insurgents mistakenly (mistakenly on purpose) fired on a passenger plane that was trying to save fuel by cutting across a war zone also immediately claimed to have shot down a plane and phone called their controllers in Moscow to explain the mistake....,in my opinion. Is that it? Airplane fall down go boom. All killed. What other factoid is even possible.
24 posted on 07/30/2014 11:38:07 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Vendome

It may not be that simple.

American Intelligence Officers Who Battled the Soviet Union for Decades Slam the Flimsy “Intelligence” Against Russia

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/07/obama-release-ukraine-evidence.html


25 posted on 07/30/2014 11:40:51 AM PDT by zek157
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To: Uncle Chip
No you don't have the title right. It's actually

Pro-Russian rebels have booby-trapped MH17 crash site with landmines, claim Ukraine one day ahead of talks with Russia over access to the scene

The keyword is claim.

They've make alot of claims that people like you then run with as fact. Isn't that one of Alinsky's rules.

26 posted on 07/30/2014 11:46:29 AM PDT by McGruff (I don't trust the Russians but I don't trust the Ukrainians either.)
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To: McGruff

You do know that you only get so many letters for the title, don’t you???

Sure you do —

So I put the rest of the title at the top of the article in bold.

Is that okay???

Anyway — it’s just a title — the part about mining the shootdown site is in the article.

Did I miss anything???


27 posted on 07/30/2014 11:50:45 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: zek157
If they played the game they'd probably still be Intelligence Officers instead of former Intelligence Officers.

Photos with borders drawn in wherever convenient aren't a mistake, that's deliberate. We'll see what the photos of the Ukraine Army launching SS-21s at Donetsk look like and where they draw the lines on them.

You know, they're sort of slow in releasing those even though the Pentagon already said they knew those missiles had been fired by the Ukraine Army. You guess they'll show the border with Russia as being halfway to Kiev? If so, will they tell the Ukraine Army to leave Russia rather than admit the photos are fake?

This is so silly it's gotten transparent. Now what ISIS and Hamas actions are in the open rather than in the buildup stage the Europeans and Ukraine will make nice with Russia and negotiate all sorts of things that no one thought they would. King Barry will say it was due to sanctions and everyone will cheer His Majesty King Barry as a tough international player just in time for the elections.

It's all been about misdirection since day one.

28 posted on 07/30/2014 12:07:07 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin
It's all been about misdirection since day one.

I've been parroting the same.

I'm keen to focus on the election, not this, or the border (let alone impeachment), BS...

29 posted on 07/30/2014 12:18:55 PM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
"...and summarily zapped by the thread moderator!"

Was it a copyright infringement? out of context violation? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

30 posted on 07/30/2014 12:56:22 PM PDT by lormand (Inside every liberal is a dung slinging monkey)
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To: logi_cal869
I think some of the people hot to trot about Ukraine are focusing on the election. Any way they can pit Conservatives against one another is worth their time and effort.

They don't help "their cause", they just drive people away from discussion on FR by making FR look no different than the dozens of democrat fascist sites where anyone with a differing opinion is shouted down with name calling and BS evasions.

Why doesn't matter since they're repeating the the media and Obama party line while out of the other side of their mouths claim they know the media and Obama are liars that can never be trusted.

Regards

31 posted on 07/30/2014 12:57:20 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: lormand
Maybe something to do with THIS guy? I'm not sure...


32 posted on 07/30/2014 1:06:20 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alteration: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: lormand

Too much “booby” not enough trap!


33 posted on 07/30/2014 1:07:34 PM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alteration: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: Rashputin

...”they just drive people away from discussion on FR by making FR look no different than the dozens of democrat fascist sites where anyone with a differing opinion is shouted down with name calling and BS evasions....... they’re repeating the the media and Obama party line while out of the other side of their mouths claim they know the media and Obama are liars that can never be trusted.”

Nicely put and true...thanks.


34 posted on 07/30/2014 2:14:19 PM PDT by caww
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To: Pearls Before Swine

....”the humanitarian/moral side”....

I imagine ‘all’ in that war-zone loosing life, and seeing life lost are pretty much focused on just staying alive.

I’ve not seen a war zone, (unless there’s an agreeable ceasefire all abide with and those are almost nonexistant), where a war stops to “investigate” deaths of any kind.

We forget that this war is not being fought as we might.....so those fighting it are going to go at it very differently in that part of the world...especially since most of the fighters are mostly of Russian descent one way or another, even though called Ukrainians....and they fight to win.


35 posted on 07/30/2014 2:25:58 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

I understand what you’re saying, but the crash site didn’t strike me as strategic military ground, so I didn’t see what the purpose is in mining it.


36 posted on 07/30/2014 2:29:18 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Ukraine army was pinned down there at the time of the crash....I suspect they want to retain any ground they gain...so mining the area shouldn’t surprise any.

Further, how would any of us armchair folks really know what’s happening on the ground? Propaganda is so thick you can’t cut it with a knife now.


37 posted on 07/30/2014 2:43:13 PM PDT by caww
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To: lormand
Was it a copyright infringement? out of context violation? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

According to Google, it was of the kind of booby traps that come in pairs. See this illustrated blog post on booby-trapping enemy arms caches (photo #16).

38 posted on 07/30/2014 2:44:12 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: caww

Good points, I’ll admit.


39 posted on 07/30/2014 2:45:14 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Pearls Before Swine
". . . so I didn’t see what the purpose is in mining it."

Given that there's nothing left to loot I agree unless they're afraid someone would cart parts of the aircraft off to sell as scrap. Since I doubt there's much of a market in the present circumstances, the chance of that seems to be between slim to none.

40 posted on 07/30/2014 2:53:59 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin
I think some of the people hot to trot about Ukraine are focusing on the election. Any way they can pit Conservatives against one another is worth their time and effort.

Agreed. They don't help "their cause", they just drive people away from discussion on FR by making FR look no different than the dozens of democrat fascist sites where anyone with a differing opinion is shouted down with name calling and BS evasions.

Agreed. Why doesn't matter since they're repeating the the media and Obama party line while out of the other side of their mouths claim they know the media and Obama are liars that can never be trusted.

And...agreed.

Chess, not 'checkers'...these are classic tactics they're using against us. What was it that Patton said of Rommel in the movie?

I think Rules for Radicals should be required reading for conservatives.

41 posted on 08/01/2014 8:14:43 AM PDT by logi_cal869
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