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Ted Cruz Channels Reagan: 'Mr. Putin, Give Back Crimea'
businessinsider.in ^ | July 30, 2014 | COLIN CAMPBELL

Posted on 07/30/2014 12:14:52 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) echoed Ronald Reagan's famous challenge to former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on Tuesday when he officially called on Russian President Vladimir Putin to return territory Russia annexed earlier this year back to Ukraine.

"Mr. Putin, give back Crimea," Cruz said at the Young America's Foundation in Washington. "Why is it so unimaginable for President Obama to utter those words?"

Cruz, a potential 2016 presidential contender, has made foreign policy hawkishness a key part of his political brand. Speaking before the group of conservative college students Tuesday, he repeatedly accused Obama of being unwilling to aggressively challenge the United States' geopolitical foes.

"We need to stand up and speak out for freedom," said Cruz. "The words that come from the president of the United States matter. President Reagan demonstrated that. One of the saddest things is President Obama doesn't do that."

Cruz cited Ukraine, where Russia took over Crimea and separatists backed by Moscow are continuing to fight the government, as a specific case where the United States should have a bolder foreign policy.

"Ukraine is a good example to use," said Cruz. "I think we should have done several things immediately. Number one, I think we should have gone forward with installing the anti-ballistic missile batteries ... that were scheduled to go into effect and that President Obama canceled in 2009 in an effort to appease Putin."

Cruz suggested Obama's reluctance to more forcefully fight Putin's push into Ukraine was tantamount to "appeasement."

"It's pretty clear that appeasement didn't work," he said.


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“2016 is going to be the second wave of the return of freedom to this country.”

1 posted on 07/30/2014 12:14:52 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Good for him...


2 posted on 07/30/2014 12:15:52 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Think how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are stupider than that.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Dumb remark by Cruz. Reagan is dead and the Cold War is over. Time to deal with the here and now.


3 posted on 07/30/2014 12:19:31 PM PDT by LuvFreeRepublic
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To: LuvFreeRepublic

Cold War is over? The only people I’ve heard saying that are Paultards.


4 posted on 07/30/2014 12:21:41 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Tailgunner Joe

The spirit of Reagan lives in all real conservatives who wish no one any harm and who value freedom. Pro-putin punks can pay homage to a former KGB COL all they want. Real American conservatives know we’ve our own heroes.


5 posted on 07/30/2014 12:22:24 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: 1rudeboy

That’s not fair. Obama said it to Romney when he tried to warn people about Putin. Now, Putinistas have taken up Obama’s fantasy.


6 posted on 07/30/2014 12:23:42 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: 1rudeboy
And Obama. Obama says strains over Ukraine not leading to new Cold War with Russia - July 29, 2014 - "It's not a new Cold War," Obama told reporters.
7 posted on 07/30/2014 12:25:40 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: LuvFreeRepublic

Russia isn’t going to give back the Crimea. It is what it is.


8 posted on 07/30/2014 12:26:19 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

"Pooty Poot, Pooty Poot!"

9 posted on 07/30/2014 12:28:17 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: cripplecreek

Putin didn’t expect the Berlin Wall to come down either.

Putin’s inhuman regime will be shattered to pieces just like the EVIL EMPIRE he loyally served.


10 posted on 07/30/2014 12:28:31 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Be careful. We’ve so-called conservatives on FreeRepublic who pray for Putin and his empire.


11 posted on 07/30/2014 12:30:25 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: elhombrelibre

I’m only voting for Putin if the other two candidates are Lizzie Warren and NJFatboy.


12 posted on 07/30/2014 12:32:24 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: nascarnation

He has his loving admiring prags on here.


13 posted on 07/30/2014 12:34:30 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Dumb remark, Catherine the great established their bases there. The Charge of the light brigade was British in the mid 1800s fighting Russians, one of the great siege battles of WWII was Nazis at Sevastopol in Crimea.
There is no way the Ruskis are going to let Sevastopol become a NATO navy base at the hands of the Kiev putsch.

Everyone is acting like they seized Nova Scotia. Cruz is brighter than this.


14 posted on 07/30/2014 12:35:17 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino
There is no way the Ruskis are going to let Sevastopol become a NATO navy base at the hands of the Kiev putsch. Everyone is acting like they seized Nova Scotia. Cruz is brighter than this.

Cruz gets it. The retards still depicting the Ukrainians as Nazis who conducted a "putsch" are traitors and know-nothings.

15 posted on 07/30/2014 12:40:56 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: DesertRhino
Cruz is brighter than this

I'm not confident about Ted Cruz in foreign affairs. Historically, asking Russia to give up Crimea doesn't make sense if the goal really is to negotiate a settlement in Ukraine.

Is he latching onto this issue to avoid saying everyone who entered the US illegally this summer should be given a one-way ticket home...no exceptions. How about a bold move like the US should set up a DMZ militarizing and securing 10 miles of Northern Mexico?

Ted Cruz hasn't spoken out about abolishing the Federal Reserve, either....another mistake? I'm not 100% in the Ted Cruz camp anymore.

16 posted on 07/30/2014 12:42:13 PM PDT by grania
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To: 1rudeboy
"Mr. Putin, give back Crimea," Cruz said at the Young America's Foundation in Washington. "Why is it so unimaginable for President Obama to utter those words?"

Because Crimea was part of Russia before California was part of the U.S.

The idea that border changes initiated by the Soviet Premier are something that the U.S. should go to the barricades for over 20 years after the Soviet Union disintegrated is laughable.

Cruz should know better, but this doesn't surprise me at all.

17 posted on 07/30/2014 12:44:35 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

I know, I know. They are the heirs of Madison and Jefferson. That’s why they are pounding urban areas of Donetsk with arty and heavy ballistic missiles. And calling anyone who resists that coup a “terrorist”. Just exactly like Nazis did. That’s why they have torchlight parades.

Sorry, but they are indeed national socialist, and most of their army is western Ukrainian and mobilized Svoboda, and has a full allegiance to the Banderists. Scratch a coupist, find a Nazi.

But go ahead, follow Obama, the EU, Kerry, McCain, the MSM, Ashton, and Soros. Opposing communism doesn’t make Nazis ok, never sport.


18 posted on 07/30/2014 12:47:40 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Gunslingr3

Mexico was part of the U.S., when?


19 posted on 07/30/2014 12:47:55 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: DesertRhino
You forgot Monsanto. Everything leads to Monsanto.
/tinfoil
20 posted on 07/30/2014 12:49:13 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: grania
CRUZ/BLACKBURN BILL WOULD END OBAMA'S AMNESTIES
21 posted on 07/30/2014 12:51:43 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: grania

Solid points, I’m with you. I like Cruz, but he’s turning into a politician. How any serious leader in the USA right now can discuss -anything- but millions of third world illiterates (most are even illiterate,,,IN SPANISH) flooding in escapes me.

Second is the immediate, existential danger of the moslem world running wild. And Cruz is in a lather about Crimea. Lawyers never cease to amaze.


22 posted on 07/30/2014 12:54:14 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: grania

Solid points, I’m with you. I like Cruz, but he’s turning into a politician. How any serious leader in the USA right now can discuss -anything- but millions of third world illiterates (most are even illiterate,,,IN SPANISH) flooding in escapes me.

Second is the immediate, existential danger of the moslem world running wild. And Cruz is in a lather about Crimea. Lawyers never cease to amaze.


23 posted on 07/30/2014 12:54:18 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Ted Cruz: The second coming of Ronald W. Reagan after the second coming of Jimmy Carter.


24 posted on 07/30/2014 12:56:52 PM PDT by ExCTCitizen (I'm ExCTCitizen and I approve this reply. If it does offend Libs, I'm NOT sorry...)
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Territorial gain through the use of force was supposed to have been outlawed by the UN wasn’t it??


25 posted on 07/30/2014 12:58:12 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: LuvFreeRepublic

You forgot to add “Onward to Empire!” and “All Hail The Tsar!”


26 posted on 07/30/2014 12:59:19 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Gunslingr3

“Because Crimea was part of Russia before California was part of the U.S.”

Hell, it was Russian before KENTUCKY was a state.


27 posted on 07/30/2014 1:00:23 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: Gunslingr3

Crimea is part of Ukraine now. This is not about the age of Charlemagne


28 posted on 07/30/2014 1:03:47 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: DesertRhino

Jeepers, does that mean Russia has a claim on Kentucky?


29 posted on 07/30/2014 1:04:33 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Hey Azzwipe. I made a fact based observation. I didn’t call you or anyone with a different take on it a retard or a traitor.

And since when is it treason to not defend anything over in Ukraine? LOL I don’t remember pledging allegiance to Ukraine, indivisible, with jackboots, and skinheads for all.


30 posted on 07/30/2014 1:05:15 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino
Sen. Cruz: Israel’s Iron Dome Protects our Ally, Protects Us - July 30, 2014 - "Even as the fighting in Gaza grabs the headlines, we have to keep our eyes on the far more serious danger of a nuclear Iran. The threat of a nuclear-armed Iran would make Hamas and their rockets seem like child's play and our support for Iron Dome should be understood in the context of support for the continued development of these systems, which not only protect our friend and ally Israel but they protect us. There is a reason why Hamas and Iran refer to Israel as the little Satan and the United States as the great Satan. Because their intention with both is the same terror, the same murder, the same death and destruction."
31 posted on 07/30/2014 1:07:22 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: DesertRhino
I know, I know. They are the heirs of Madison and Jefferson. That’s why they are pounding urban areas of Donetsk with arty and heavy ballistic missiles. And calling anyone who resists that coup a “terrorist”. Just exactly like Nazis did. That’s why they have torchlight parades.

The only alleged use of a ballistic missile was in a rural area on enemy targets. As for artillery, I am unsure about this, but I do know that the Russkies are shooting and taking up positions next to apartment buildings, schools, hospitals, things of that nature. Furthermore, the civilians themselves say that the Russkies are shooting artillery and grads randomly at their own cities. Why? Because the separatists do not have very much support in the East and South and, furthermore, they can blame it on the Ukrainians and maybe get more recruits.

"Ukrainska Pravda reports that between 20-30 people were killed today in Gorlovka when the centre of the town was struck by Grad rockets. One of the shells reportedly struck and exploded not far from the central maternity hospital. The rockets were reportedly fired from the outskirts of the town. Some local reports claimed they were fired by separatist militants." http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-liveblog-day-160-the-battle-for-the-donbass-intensifies/ Sorry, but they are indeed national socialist, and most of their army is western Ukrainian and mobilized Svoboda, and has a full allegiance to the Banderists. Scratch a coupist, find a Nazi.

This is also false. While there are Right Sector militia fighting in the war, it is a lie that "most of their army" are all Nazis. Most of their army is the same army they've had since Yanukovych.

Right Sector and Svoboda only received 1 to 2 percent of the vote in the Presidential election. The government you call "Nazis" even has Jews in it.

But go ahead, follow Obama, the EU, Kerry, McCain, the MSM, Ashton, and Soros.

The stupidity of this statement is that you are happily believing everything Russian media and PaulBot/Alex Jones fringe websites without any problem. If you are going to claim that I am "following Obama" because I oppose Russia, then you must eschew Russkie media in order to avoid being described as "following Putin.

32 posted on 07/30/2014 1:08:12 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: grania

Giving back Ukrainian territory can’t be part of the settlement?


33 posted on 07/30/2014 1:08:35 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Gunslingr3

“The idea that border changes initiated by the Soviet Premier are something that the U.S. should go to the barricades for over 20 years after the Soviet Union disintegrated is laughable.”

Do you feel the same about Finland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Georgia, etc?

Some have joined NATO and some more were planning to. IOW they don’t want to be part of the “Soviet Union” any more now, than they did 70 years ago.


34 posted on 07/30/2014 1:09:35 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: DesertRhino; grania; KC_Lion
How any serious leader in the USA right now can discuss -anything- but millions of third world illiterates

He should only talk about one thing? And if he did that, who would ever take him seriously as a "leader"?

Ted Cruz made an endorsement today

The crisis at America’s border is a defining issue in the coming election, especially in Arizona. I’m supporting Doug Ducey for Arizona governor because he is the best candidate to help secure the border, protect the people, and enforce the law. He has the most serious and credible plan to address the border crisis.

I guess since he thinks the border crisis is the DEFINING ISSUE of the coming election, it's still not good enough. You think he should talk about nothing else?

35 posted on 07/30/2014 1:10:18 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

And tell me about how you ever earned the right to call anyone a traitor. You don’t pack the gear. You know exactly what I mean ,,,


36 posted on 07/30/2014 1:10:30 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: DesertRhino
Hey Azzwipe. I made a fact based observation. I didn’t call you or anyone with a different take on it a retard or a traitor.

Your retardness and treason is not dependent on any previous insults you have told me. It is dependent on your stupid and treasonous opinions.

And since when is it treason to not defend anything over in Ukraine? LOL I don’t remember pledging allegiance to Ukraine, indivisible, with jackboots, and skinheads for all.

I call you treasonous because you are Pro-Moscow, a regime that is highly anti-American, supports communist states and movements, supports Iran's nuclear program, and publishes a media that is virulently hateful to the United States and our people.

It is very clear: If you are willing to vomit up Russian media talking points and defend Putin, you are siding with the enemy.

37 posted on 07/30/2014 1:11:38 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"Mr. Putin, give back Crimea," Cruz said at the Young America's Foundation in Washington. "Why is it so unimaginable for President Obama to utter those words?"

Is Ted serious? All Obama does is throw words around. And when he doesn't back them up, he comes in for ridicule. And evicting Putin from Crimea isn't something Obama or the US are in any position to do. When the words aren't backed up with action, they'll look hollow and worthless. So obviously, it's not something the president is going to say anytime soon.

"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!" is a rhetorical exhortation. Nobody's going to be surprised or angry or very disappointed if Gorbachev doesn't tear down the wall immediately. "Mr. Putin, give back Crimea!" looks a lot more like a demand. Putin will ignore it and score points from his supporters, and the person who says the line will look ridiculous -- or more ridiculous. And there may be a limit to how ridiculous Obama can afford to look look (maybe ... though his supporters don't seem to notice much).

I guess Ted's idea is that we need decisive, confident, and forceful leadership now. Okay, point taken, but leadership is more a matter of action than of striking more dramatic poses. Reagan wasn't great because he bequeathed a lot of rhetorical tropes to Ted's generation, but because he was able to respond to crises with right actions rather than just fine words.

38 posted on 07/30/2014 1:13:47 PM PDT by x
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To: DesertRhino

cruz-whipping-tonight-against-boehner-border-bill

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3185128/posts

You might want to pay attention. Otherwise you’ll be surprised and disappointed instead of just disappointed in the successes Cruz has in the months ahead


39 posted on 07/30/2014 1:21:14 PM PDT by stanne
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To: 1rudeboy

I think it means Texas is part of Mexico

Anyway, they all belong to the dinosaurs.


40 posted on 07/30/2014 1:22:54 PM PDT by stanne
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Tell us what you did,,,. You must have served, right? And im anti Ukraine, and pro truth. Not pro Russia. You and a few other Chickenhawks here are horny for a shooting war. (of course, never personally though) So you are the actual traitor.

For bonus points; you believe Ukraine is in a shooting war with Russia, so see if you can think of why it is an unusually bad idea to unexpectedly launch a few heavyweight ballistic missiles in the Nuclear capable class. There is a reason we didn’t conduct unannounced Polaris test launches 100 miles off the Russian coast back in the day.

Always fun to risk a nuclear war to drop a couple of 1000 lb warheads on target. Ukes are a bright bunch. We have tested a method of using ICBMs in this way. But its pretty much been nixed, too dangerous to risk making someone think we have launched a nuclear attack.


41 posted on 07/30/2014 1:25:39 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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To: GeronL
I don't think Ted Cruz should be talking about Ukraine. He should stick to issues that affect the US directly. The Ukraine situation has a lot to do with EU/globalist expansion and their bankers extending their reach there. Since his wife works for a globalist bank, he's already a bit questionable on those global banking issues.

A bigger concern could justifiably be that while the US has ignored Central and Southern America, chaos has taken over in Central America. Russian and Chinese influence are increasing south of our border.

US citizens are real sick of the mess that's been made of the world. We're frightened for the future we face in the US.

If Ted Cruz is going to be the next president, what's the point of starting on a sour note by having already taking sides in an issue that isn't ours? Leave it to Germany to sort it out.

42 posted on 07/30/2014 1:36:51 PM PDT by grania
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To: DesertRhino
Tell us what you did,,,. You must have served, right?

Does one have to be a member of the military to call the PaulBots/Alex Jones freaks traitors? They are anti-American, and thus are no friends of mine.

And im anti Ukraine, and pro truth. Not pro Russia.

Then why are you vomiting up trash from Russian media? If you are not Pro-Russian, then you should stop repeating what you hear from Russian state controlled media, and then claiming you are "pro-Truth." You are pro-useful idiot, maybe, but not truth.

You and a few other Chickenhawks here are horny for a shooting war.

Says who? This is just the insult the Putinistas always give, because their media tells them that they are in a conflict with dark and nefarious forces who want to wage war against Russia. Give me one quote from any FReeper here and a link who has said "let's have a shooting war with Russia," or anything like it.

For bonus points; you believe Ukraine is in a shooting war with Russia,

You don't? Even if you want to play stupid and say that the separatists, who are from Russia and are led by Russians, aren't officially backed, we still have photographs of Russian soldiers on Russian soil shooting at Ukraine. It is not a matter of opinion or a product of "Soros" brainwashing.

Always fun to risk a nuclear war to drop a couple of 1000 lb warheads on target.

The Ukrainians have no nuclear missiles. They were taken from them under the false promise by Clinton and the Russkies that they would not be subject to invasion by the Reds, which is currently occuring.

43 posted on 07/30/2014 1:38:50 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: DesertRhino

Omama is your man, the antiReagan.


44 posted on 07/30/2014 1:40:41 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: grania

Germany and the United States are allies in NATO, the 28 nation military alliance formed to protect us from Russia’s hunger for conquest, murder, and empire.

If Cruz wants to be President, he better be like Reagan, and not like your weak Obama, who seems afraid of Russia.


45 posted on 07/30/2014 1:46:22 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12
If Cruz wants to be President, he'll need to realize that the US needs a president who puts the US first. Most US citizens are fed up with the unintended consequences of our meddling. There's no reason we should still have NATO obligations. Besides that, Ukraine isn't in NATO!

I want a President who is talking about putting US troops on the US border and dealing with OUR problems. If Cruz is so concerned about returning land, how about returning Guantanamo to Cuba? (sarcasm)

46 posted on 07/30/2014 2:27:19 PM PDT by grania
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To: grania
If Cruz wants to be President, he'll need to realize that the US needs a president who puts the US first.

That is accurate and what I said, be strong like Reagan, to prevent the left and you from rebuilding what Reagan and we, defeated at great cost in treasure and lives.

Preventing Russia from bringing back the possibility of the end of mankind through their Cold War and the threat of global annihilation and fighting their war against the free nations through causing death and destruction around the globe is not "meddling".

47 posted on 07/30/2014 2:33:07 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: grania
There's no reason we should still have NATO obligations.

Here is the extreme stupidity of the Paulbots and the reason why they should have no access to power. This is a recipe for suicide on par with disarming our Nukes like Obama wants.

48 posted on 07/30/2014 2:35:26 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans; ansel12

In the grand scheme of things, both of you seem to have an inflated sense of the importance of Ukraine to world civilization. As far as Crimea goes, it’s been a Russian base even when technically part of Ukraine, and it wasn’t a problem. JMHO


49 posted on 07/30/2014 2:42:29 PM PDT by grania
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To: grania

How confused you are, it isn’t the importance of Ukraine, it is the importance of Russia.

Cruz can see past his nose, you can’t.


50 posted on 07/30/2014 2:46:16 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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