Skip to comments.Pediatricians Have the Right to Ask About Guns
Posted on 07/30/2014 12:46:11 PM PDT by Q-ManRN
As a pediatrician, I have one, straightforward professional obligation: to safeguard and support the health and wellbeing of my patients. In my case, those patients are children, but you could change the age range of the people coming into the office and apply that statement to any medical provider.
Asking about guns in the house is no exception. When I ask parents if there are firearms in the home, and if so how they are secured, it is for the sole purpose of keeping their children safe.
Physicians in Florida are being threatened with a law that, if enacted, will seriously hamper their ability to do their jobs. The Firearms Owners' Privacy Act, passed in 2011, would subject medical providers to fines and a potential loss of licensure for asking patients about gun ownership or recording that information in the medical record if it is not relevant to the patient's medical care or safety.
Gun advocacy groups such as the National Rifle Association have long opposed the AAPs efforts to strengthen gun laws. But the Florida law has no effect on gun ownership or access. Its insidious reach enters into medical offices and chokes off the free-speech rights of the people trying to work there.
As much as the NRA and its ilk want to deny it, having a gun in the home is a risk factor for serious injury or death. Acknowledging that fact is not the same thing as taking the gun away. The Florida law seeks to protect gun owners from even having to be informed about truths theyd prefer to ignore, and seeks to cast medical providers in an unflattering light for having the temerity to question them.
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We went to him to discuss our medical concerns and then he could identify safety issues that were relevant to those concerns. There were an immense number of potential safety issues that we never discussed. For example, getting hit by a train even though there were train tracks near our house. My pediatrician would have known that that job was the responsibility of my parents.
Responsible parents that own firearms are aware that accidents can happen with a firearm just like any number of dangerous objects in their home. They do not need a physician to educate them about that fact. There are already a wealth of resources and options readily available to those parents. And criminals are not going to discuss storing their illegal firearms used in crimes with doctors.
My pediatrician never asked us about firearms because he left his political views at home where they belonged. The current debate over the ownership and use of firearms is taking place in legislatures and courts around our nation. That is where that debate belongs, not in our doctors' offices. Professional speech for healthcare workers is properly limited in order to ensure that they do not interject their personal political desires into their professional relationships.
Dr. Saunders exemplifies why these limits are necessary with political statements like "As much as the NRA and its ilk want to deny it, having a gun in the home is a risk factor for serious injury or death." or "By upholding this disgraceful law, the 11th Circuit Court has demonstrated allegiance to an ideology that favors the Second Amendment..." Do your patients a favor doc and keep your political ideology out of your professional practice.
Never leave your kid unattended with a doc. They could be a member of the Obamacare gun registry mafia. And if they ask you about it, say “None of your business, scum!”
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Axe away pal.
I got nuttin to say.
Any doctor so interrogating me is going to get his feelings hurt.
Does he ask whether they live in a dangerous neighborhood? Whether their school provides security?
Patients have the right to tell you it’s none of your business. And to change doctors.
You do not have a “right” to ask about guns.
In a world where cakemakers are forced to serve gay marriages against their will I don’t want to hear condescending lectures from my doctor.
Excellent post. I’m a physician. If I had to cover all the potential risks to life and limb with my patients I would never get around to addressing problems that really matter, especially when Obamacare will necessitate I spend about 5 minutes with each patient and get paid for only 90 seconds of that visit.
We have multiple generations and lots of children in them in my family that have owned firearms and to date not one accidental death or injury has occurred.
My kids are never alone with their doctor so the question will be handled by me and dependent on the mood I am in.
While in Colorado (Fort Carson) my daughter (16) had a doctors appointment. I figured she was old enough to tell the doc what was wrong so I waited in the outer room. A nurse came to get me and said that since she was under 18 I was required to go with her. After a few minutes of the doc (COL)talking to her he asked me to leave the room. I questioned him on why I was required to be there and then asked to leave. He said it is a privacy issue. I told him that everything about her was my business.
I ranted for a few minutes on government usurping my rights regarding my own child. He said he understood my concerns and again asked me to step out. NEVER let the government have control of your children! EVER!
I told my kids to say “no”. Nothing else. Because they’re right, my guns sank with my boat.
My daughter has had her own gun since she was 6 with never so mush as an accidental misfire when practicing. She is safer with a gun than a 25 year old woman with a crazed boyfriend or estranged husband is without.
You’re far to polite in your response to the Doc.
But after my 4 letter word rant to the socialist, marxist scum.. I’d pick my kid up and walk out the door never to be seen by him/her again.
Yo “Doc”. Do you also ask about the kids riding in motor vehicles, playing on slides or “monkey bars”? How about if there are any “recreational drugs” in the home? Or hot dogs that kids can choke on or peanut butter that can cause a serious allergic reaction. Then there are those big screen TVs that can fall over and crush the child. And what about...
As much as the Liberals and their ilk want to deny it, having a sharpened pencil in the home is a risk factor for serious injury or death.....
Had any doctor ever asked such a question, my kid would have had a different pediatrician before close of business that day.
You’re right, Doc. You have every right to ask. And I have every right to refuse to tell you, to tell you to mind your own business, or to just plain lie.
My doctor talked to me about gun ownership the last time I saw him. He’d just picked up a nice Mauser in 7x57. We talk motorcycles a lot also.
Teach your kids to say “you will have to ask my dad”
“Gee, doc, I’d hate to hurt your feelings by telling you what I think about you for asking that question, so let’s just pretend you didn’t.”
So ... do you ask about bleach, motor oil, radiator coolant, windex, buy spray, transmission fluid, etc? Hmmm do you?
Or having electricity in the home of a bathtub or good lord knows what ever your fear du jour is
The doctor may ask the question and the patient may refuse to answer...Free speech works TWO ways....
Children that I am financially and legally responsible for have no privacy.
Illegal aliens won’t be asked question about their legal status, so they can be free to report crime.
Gun owners will not be free from being questioned about their gun ownership, so they can be free to seek health care.
Equal rights! LOL
Not the Doctor's job. That's the job of parents. An MD provides medical assistance. His claims are ridiculous on their face.
What to advise children about gun questions from physicians or at schools is not an easy thing. It’s not good to teach them to lie, and if they say it’s none of your business, they are being disrespectful towards adults.
Perhaps the best thing for a child to say is, “That’s none of my business.”
This response is neither lying nor disrespectful. It is, in fact, entirely true, because it is not the children’s business to be caught between their parents and government busybodies.
It it also a lesson to the questioners, because it’s none of their business, either.
With the advent of the electronic medical record, never tell your doctor anything you do not want the government to know. All the hospital and doctors offices medical records will connected to a data base that will be opened by any government entity for “national security” reasons. The government has destroyed doctor patient confidentiality.
Just tell them, “Why don’t you break in tonight and see.”
We set up a NFA gun trust and put all Title I and Title II firearms in Appendix A and B.
This is a legal entity that "holds" the firearms as property and assets.
If ever a Doc is dumb enough to ask us about firearms, we can honestly and ethically say "We do not personnally own any firearms".
If they probe any further, stop them with this question: "What is the name, address, and phone number of your malpractice insurance"?
Insist on getting the information for the purposes of inquiring about their firearm profeciency, NRA training, CCW training, police or military service.
If they cannot produce those credentials, then they may be giving professional advice outside of their licensed expertise.
Doctors can lose their licenses for that. All doctors fear an inquiry from their medical malpractice or state medical board.
Stick to your guns, be polite, and try to deflect the question from ever entering the conversation.
FACTS TO PONDER :
(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.
(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are120,000.
(Calculation) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.
Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health Human Services
Now think about this:
(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000.
(Yes, that’s 80 million..)
(B) The number of accidental gun death per year, all age groups, is 1,500.
(Calculation) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is .000188.
Statistics courtesy of FBI
So, statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.
Remember, ‘Guns don’t kill people, doctors do.’
FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR.
From: Truth or fiction.com
As my children age in the this time of jerks among us I teach my kids the correct amount of disrespect to give to an adult that garnishes it. Respect is earned, not awarded.
I’m not sure if people realize this, but at least some information you give your doctor goes into a big database.
There’s an insurance exchange, where any disease you have is reported so that insurers can tap into it and realize if you are a risk or not.
If physicians are contributing to this database, what’s to say they don’t report out gun ownership also.
When asked, I simply say no. I don’t own guns.
Don’t think a casual relationship with your physician will protect you. If a spouse can turn on you, is it out of the question for a physician to turn on you?
Keep your wits about you.
And the patient has the right to refuse to answer.
That said, I talk about guns with my Doc all the time, mostly because one or the other of us will have bought a new one between visits.
I still believe in children speaking respectfully to adults. That doesn’t mean they have to obey every adult, just keep their mouths under control.
Since many more people killed by vehicles every year than by guns, it stands to reason that doctors would be better advised to ask about vehicles ownership and if everyone is properly trained in vehicle saftey.
Ask him immediately if he's a homosexual pedophile. That should shut him up. If he asks again, attack again.
Never play their games. Always hit them back twice as hard as they hit you.
The point is that the doctor should not be asking at all. If parents have a question or concern about firearms, they can choose to speak with their doctor. That solves the issue altogether.
Viennacon said “Never leave your kid unattended with a doc. They could be a member of the Obamacare gun registry mafia. And if they ask you about it, say ‘None of your business, scum!’”
Agreed as a conversation starts, but I also instill in my kids when someone crosses a line and many of those lessons revolve around our constitution and those that are shredding it.
That's nice Doc. Since our time together in the exam room will likely be short, howzabout you just deal with the problem(s) that caused me to visit you in the first place, mmmkay? You're not my overseer, you're a physician. Do what I'm paying you to do - diagnose and treat physical problems.
I remind the “good doctor” that the NRA is an organization devoted to safety whereas the Amer Acad of Pediatrics seems increasingly interested in political advocacy and less and less interested in childrens’ health.
I’ve never had a pediatrician ask me about guns.
But in fairness I have had them ask me about car safety. Specifically child car seats, location in the vehicle, whether they were installed by me or the police/fire dept.
BS. None of these "professionals" need to inquire about individual ownership if safety were truly their motivation.
They could simply offer their safety tips without knowing who owns what. That would be mildly annoying, but if they aren't probing for personal info, then there's no threat of ulterior motives.
After all, a non gun owner parent might have relatives with firearms, so visiting grandma or bitter clinger Uncle Bob would be "risky". A a non gun owner parent might buy a gun long before he or she brings the little tyke in for another appointment, so looky there, more parents flying right under this doctor's gun radar. Etc.
So, if this guy is truly concerned about the children, he would give his generic gun safety spiel to all parents without the probing questions, but...
Do they ask whether they have a swimming pool? Do they ask whether they have a gas grill? Do they ask whether they have a fireplace? Do they ask whether they have stairs? Do they ask whether they keep a gasoline can in the garage? Do they ask whether they have candles?
If they are only asking about a firearm, then the motive is other than “to keep the children safe”, IMHO.
have them sign this form - it should make them pucker HARD
If that were the case, the author would also question the parents closely about usage of safety belts and child safety seats when driving, usage of proper headgear when riding a bicycle or tricycle, the presence and accessibility of swimming pools in the neighborhood, the presence of unattended five-gallon buckets in the home, and so on... because a legitimate interest in safety involves all these things. They are all as dangerous or more dangerous to children than are guns.
The absence of such questions from the doctor's interview is, on the face of it, evidence that the gun question isn't driven by a concern for safety. And if I had to pick a choice for the reason why it's there, politics would be my top pick.