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NFL teams have upper hand in stadium negotiations
Buffalo News ^ | 07/28/2014 | Tom Precious

Posted on 07/30/2014 4:40:09 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen

The trend of professional sports team owners holding the upper hand over state and local politicians with new stadium construction demands is a long one, stretching across all sports in large, medium and small markets.

And the power comes from one handy threat almost all team owners pull out: We will simply move.

It’s a story line seen from Baltimore to Minneapolis to Jacksonville.

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It’s not enough to gouge the public for new stadiums, now the owners are squeezing us for stadium upgrades. No wonder the NFL is so politically correct.

"over a billion dollars being spent will go towards improving Wi-Fi, new scoreboards and new concessions stands around the league."
Stadium upgrades latest trend for NFL teams
1 posted on 07/30/2014 4:40:09 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen
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To: Kid Shelleen

I have been a HUGE pro football fan since the 50s. All of these cities should tell the NFL just where they can shove their stadiums.


2 posted on 07/30/2014 4:43:03 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Kid Shelleen

NOTHING stirs the heart of a local politician like the computer simulated view of the playing field from his comp tix in the new stadium luxury box.


3 posted on 07/30/2014 4:43:38 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Wi-Fi???????????????????????

Why?

I thought the game was the thing.

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4 posted on 07/30/2014 4:46:17 PM PDT by Mears (thanks !)
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To: Kid Shelleen
The most profitable thing to happen to the NFL has been to not have a team in Los Angeles. Now ever time a stadium starts looking a little grungy, the owners threaten to move to Los Angeles unless the taxpayers are turned upside down and their wallets are shaken loose of a billion dollars for a new stadium. If there was a team in Los Angeles, the threat to move a team to Portland, Oregon just wouldn't instill fear in the hearts of city councilmen as the threat of the LA Bengals, LA Vikings, LA Bills, etc. etc.

For a billion dollar stadium project, the team gets the equivalent of a $4.16 million dollar subsidy for every single home game for thirty years.

5 posted on 07/30/2014 4:50:22 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (The IRS: either criminally irresponsible in backup procedures or criminally responsible of coverup.)
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To: KarlInOhio

Public funding of stadiums is STUPID


6 posted on 07/30/2014 4:53:08 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: nascarnation

and they will fund a “study” that will show the city becomes an economic nirvana with a new stadium. Studies show what the funders want it to show, of course.


7 posted on 07/30/2014 4:54:03 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: KarlInOhio

That LA ploy certainly worked for the Irsays in Indianapolis.
$725 million from the taxpayers AND they get the money from all the non-NFL events held in the stadium like concerts and conventions.

Absolutely ridiculous due to crony capitalist Democrat mayor Bart Peterson.


8 posted on 07/30/2014 4:54:32 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: GeronL

And surprisingly (!) the study itself is usually performed by some crony capitalist affiliate.


9 posted on 07/30/2014 4:55:32 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: nascarnation

Yep and it probably cost a half million to a million for the study


10 posted on 07/30/2014 5:01:30 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL

AGREE. There is no GOOD reason for tax supported sports.


11 posted on 07/30/2014 5:09:44 PM PDT by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: nascarnation

That’s why new stadiums are getting solar panels and wind turbines.


12 posted on 07/30/2014 5:14:36 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen (Beat your plowshares into swords. Let the weak say I am strong)
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To: Kid Shelleen
We're even doing it with our race track, LOL


13 posted on 07/30/2014 5:16:28 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Soccer is socialist. Oops, never mind, wrong thread.


14 posted on 07/30/2014 5:25:39 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Kid Shelleen

As long as the majority of football fans are apolitical selfish, overgrown children (think of a 40 year old wearing a jersey of a 25 year old while checking his fantasy football stats), this will continue. The NFL is swimming in cash, but they can’t pony up for their own the “necessities” of a modern stadium.


15 posted on 07/30/2014 5:30:06 PM PDT by JacksonCalhoun
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To: RIghtwardHo

I am a Green Bay Packer shareholder, they can not move


16 posted on 07/30/2014 5:41:25 PM PDT by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: JacksonCalhoun

I know plenty of those overgrown children. They are addicted it seems to the phony religion of sports and can’t seem to pare it down any. Sports first and anything else is second.


17 posted on 07/30/2014 5:54:12 PM PDT by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.q)
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To: nascarnation

Here’s the deal with the crony capitalist government funded projects. It’s true whether you are talking about Lucas Oil Stadium, the Carmel Center for Performing Arts (Palladium) or public transit.

1. The capital costs of the brick and mortar is projected to be $X.

2. The actual costs of building same wind up being least $2-3X. And the promoter of the project knows this.

3. The revenue projected to be generated by the project is $X (so the project is supposed to fund itself).

4. The actual revenue projections are wildly inflated. For example, Carmel’s Palladium had a business plan to pay for itself with four sold out performances per week every week of the year. That has never happened, it’s never going to happen, and the promoters fully know this. The real revenue is some fraction of $X.

5. The business plan to sell it to the government NEVER takes into account operating costs to keep the lights on and the staff paid. It’s only bricks and mortar capital costs.

6. Once the public facility is built and commences operations, it’s suddenly “news” that the revenue isn’t paying for the project. The operators go to the public fiscal body and expect them to make good the inevitable shortfall. That has to come out of the current budget every year, or be the subject of an additional bond issuance. Either way, it is not backed by the revenue from the facility, but instead from general property tax or local income tax funds. Of course this leaves less money for real civic services like police, fire, roads and parks.

7. Once the fiscal body agrees to make good the shortfall, it is forever on the hook to continue the subsidy. And once that happens, any incentive for efficient operation as a business model is gone. Why look to contain costs when the local potentates have undertaken the policy of writing a blank check every year?

8. The private operator, event manager or sports team owner forever guzzles at the government money trough, until such time as they grow tired of same and seek a new playground. Then the process is repeated.


18 posted on 07/30/2014 5:59:48 PM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarc tag?)
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To: RIghtwardHo
All of these cities should tell the NFL just where they can shove their stadiums.

Houston and Cleveland did just that. They ended up shelling out four or five times what they would have spent to keep the original franchises in getting the NFL to return.

19 posted on 07/30/2014 6:13:50 PM PDT by Tonytitan
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To: Kid Shelleen

The latest here in Vikingland is that after extorting a billion dollars out of taxpayers to build a new palace for Zygi Wilf, the Audobon Society is angry because they are afraid birds will fly into the glass windows and kill themselves.

I’m assuming any bird that flies into downtown Minneapolis in December is really, really lost.


20 posted on 07/30/2014 6:17:07 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Compromise" means you've already decided you lost.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg
I’m assuming any bird that flies into downtown Minneapolis in December is really, really lost.

Or is a Vikings fan.

21 posted on 07/30/2014 6:20:12 PM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarc tag?)
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To: henkster

In recent years, suicide for us Vikings fans has been probably the easiest option. So you may have a point.


22 posted on 07/30/2014 6:21:26 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Compromise" means you've already decided you lost.)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Why is the Los Angeles market still without a franchise?

Simple, it’s used as leverage for team owners to threaten a move or get the free stadium they want. Think about it, a free $700 million stadium is worth more than 1/32 of the franchise fee for a new team.


23 posted on 07/30/2014 6:23:02 PM PDT by WildWeasel
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To: WildWeasel

Perfect analysis, except the required stadium tab is now about a $ billion based on the new Minnesota facility.

The Indy deal at $700 mil was opened 6 yrs ago.


24 posted on 07/30/2014 6:29:17 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: WildWeasel
a free $700 million stadium is worth more than 1/32 of the franchise fee for a new team.

It's not just the stadium, it's all the loot that goes with it. It's a license to guzzle at the government money trough.

Keep in mind, the NFL salary cap is tied to each team's cut of the television contracts. The salary cap is always less than the TV cut. From the standpoint of "personnel costs," every NFL owner is well in the black just from TV revenue before they sell one ticket or licensed jersey. And that doesn't even count their cut from concessions, parking, and other goodies, like tax breaks. Sure, the teams have other expenses, but they aren't back breakers. You cannot lose money as an NFL owner. It's like owning an oil well that that never runs dry.

Why do you think that the average NFL team is worth $1.17 Billion?

25 posted on 07/30/2014 6:35:07 PM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarc tag?)
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To: nascarnation

Jerry Jones got a chunk from Arlington but financed the bulk himself, and the stadium will pay for itself through all the additional revenue brought in. But this is an exception and has a lot to do with the location, multiple uses, etc. most other stadiums are not a magnet for development and losing propositions.


26 posted on 07/30/2014 6:36:41 PM PDT by rstrahan
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To: Kid Shelleen

The country continues to borrow and spend like it’s the early 80s

No control what so ever.


27 posted on 07/30/2014 6:47:29 PM PDT by reefdiver (Be the Best you can be Whatever you Dream to be)
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To: henkster

I was amazed that the TV rights package a while back was more than the whole league was worth


28 posted on 07/30/2014 6:51:10 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL

I believe NFL football is about the only tv programming left that has consistent blowout tv ratings and isn’t often DVR’d (to skip commercials).


29 posted on 07/30/2014 6:53:43 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: GeronL

NFL owners may be very flawed individuals, but they are certainly not stupid.


30 posted on 07/30/2014 6:56:21 PM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarc tag?)
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To: nascarnation

but with all the political correctness, pink shoes, over-sexual commercials for everything and crap - how long can we even stand to watch it on TV?


31 posted on 07/30/2014 6:56:38 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Kid Shelleen; big'ol_freeper; shove_it; TrueKnightGalahad; Larry Lucido; Diplomat; RockinRight; ...
Well, it is time... for a comeback!

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32 posted on 07/30/2014 7:17:31 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: UB355; Bender2

RE: I am a Green Bay Packer shareholder, they can not move

Ditto


33 posted on 07/30/2014 7:26:00 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" ~ Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: GeronL
"Public funding of stadiums is STUPID"

Totally agree. It is asinine to build a freakin' outdoor football only stadium that is used for 8 home games per season and two pre-season games.

Sure you've got the Sounders soccer team in Seattle when the Seahawks aren't in season. But big deal.

That don't pay the rent.

And if you have a sometimes great team, like the Seahawks are, for NOW, ticket prices are impossibly high.

But what about teams in "rebuilding seasons" like the Lions have been in for the past what, 30 years?

A great new stadium like Ford field hasn't EXACTLY paid off. Despite hosting a SB.

And it will never host another one.

34 posted on 07/30/2014 7:26:40 PM PDT by boop (I just wanted a President. But I got a rock.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg; Bender2

RE: The Audobon Society is angry because they are afraid birds will fly into the glass windows and kill themselves.

No worries, the fumes from the dying carcasses of another Vikings failed season will soon tint the glass.


35 posted on 07/30/2014 7:28:05 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" ~ Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: Bender2

Wouldn’t San Antonio Undocumented Democrats be more representative? And receive approval more quickly by His Lordship?


36 posted on 07/30/2014 7:32:51 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid" ~ Ronald Wilson Reagan)
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To: big'ol_freeper

I think we’ll be better this season. Turner gives us a high-quality OC, and Zimmer is not Leslie Frazier. He also can spell d-e-f-e-n-s-e, which we will need to beat your 8-7-1 Packers.


37 posted on 07/30/2014 7:41:55 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Compromise" means you've already decided you lost.)
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To: big'ol_freeper; shove_it; TrueKnightGalahad; Larry Lucido; Diplomat; RockinRight; Army Air Corps; ..
Re: Wouldn’t San Antonio Undocumented Democrats be more representative? And receive approval more quickly by His Lordship?

Close... big, old sport--

But... no cigar

38 posted on 07/30/2014 8:23:59 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: Bender2; dfwgator; hockeyfan44; GOPsterinMA; NFHale
Indeed, Humphreys said, it’s no accident the NFL did not long ago locate a new team in Los Angeles after the Raiders’ 13th and final season there in 1994, when the team returned to its original home in Oakland. Why? Leverage. “It benefits the league to keep Los Angeles open so every owner can have a credible threat to move his team there when they want a new stadium. If professional sports didn’t enjoy special antitrust protections, a new team would have been in LA immediately in 1994,” Humphreys said.

Interesting.

39 posted on 07/30/2014 9:38:49 PM PDT by Impy (Think for yourself)
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To: boop

And look how much was spent on Jerry World in Arlington, but it’s okay for him since OPM paid for most of it


40 posted on 07/30/2014 10:15:54 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: GeronL
You know Geron, that may be the ONLY exception to the "stupid stadium" rule.

Jerry Jones is the George Steinbrenner of football.

Sure the NFL has a salary cap, and MLB doesn't.

But I imagine ol' Jerry finding a way to just buy himself some more SB rings.

And he's got the "palace" to put asses in seats.

Courtesy of taxpayers, of course.

41 posted on 07/30/2014 10:29:42 PM PDT by boop (I just wanted a President. But I got a rock.)
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To: boop

he ain’t gonna win any rings running it the way he is, he needs to stop being Coach in Chief


42 posted on 07/30/2014 10:32:54 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: wally_bert

No kidding, I used to be a huge fan, but thanks to the grifter sports leagues, outrageous salaries, and liberal jock-sniffers covering it with their gay this and gay that, I can hardly watch, save for baseball on the radio and a bit of golf here and there (usually non-major tournaments I can pick up on non-ESPN outlets).


43 posted on 07/31/2014 4:47:00 AM PDT by JacksonCalhoun
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To: Bender2

Ah, the old Continental league.


44 posted on 07/31/2014 6:06:26 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: JacksonCalhoun

As a 70s kid and up until the mid 80s, I liked pro sports but lost interest.

Fast forward to 2004 or so, I still really didn’t care one way or the other. Thereabouts, the public TV network I was at started to try be a mini ESPN. That came about from a lot of the elite there did all the good paying gigs and if you weren’t a favorite, you don’t get invited.

Anyway, I became a Schedu-All expert and found how to look far off to the future planning and pending productions to schedule vacation, doctor appointments, and anything else to dodge having to waste a weekend making the joke money and little or no comp.time since things were scheduled to make sure there wasn’t any.

The big lie was we the unwashed and unfavorite might be able to get in the elitist world. Never happened for anyone. I said as much but was ridiculed for a while.

The other thing that I saw was that elite hired their pals from outside for very easy money even though there were directors on staff that could handle hs and little college ball.


45 posted on 07/31/2014 8:08:48 AM PDT by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.q)
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To: Bender2

You could goof on this bender I doubt Mark Davis going take Raiders to Texas he been doing this off and on first was Los Angeles now San Antonio

Let see

You can goof on him it kinda funny


46 posted on 07/31/2014 9:07:51 AM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: Kid Shelleen

The only reason they have the upper hand is because somebody is always willing to prostitute themselves. Plenty off businesses use the same method for deciding where to put factories and headquarters. There’s no reason to pay for a building you don’t have to.


47 posted on 07/31/2014 9:16:45 AM PDT by discostu (Villains always blink their eyes.)
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