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Ebola: UK border staff 'unprepared' says union leader
BBC News ^ | July 31, 2014

Posted on 07/31/2014 4:34:18 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Border, immigration and customs staff feel unprepared to deal with people coming to the UK with possible cases of the Ebola virus, a union leader says.

Immigration Service Union (ISU) general secretary Lucy Moreton said her members needed more information on the threat.

But the Border Force has insisted staff have been given guidance on how to identify and deal with suspected cases.

Almost 700 people have died in West Africa since the first case of Ebola was detected in February.

Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond said the UK government was taking the current threat to the country "very seriously".

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: ebola; uk

1 posted on 07/31/2014 4:34:18 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: 2ndreconmarine; Fitzcarraldo; Covenantor; Mother Abigail; EBH; Dog Gone; ...

ping...


2 posted on 07/31/2014 4:35:34 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

And a billion pounds into the union coffers will fix it!


3 posted on 07/31/2014 4:40:05 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
simple. Stop all immigration from mooseslime infested areas.

Don't let the planes unload! Don't let the boats unload. Send them back!

4 posted on 07/31/2014 4:43:55 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: rawcatslyentist

I think the Liberian is most likely a Christian


5 posted on 07/31/2014 4:45:29 AM PDT by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc.;+12 ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
I believe the number of stated dead (700) to be understated. Supposedly closer to 2K. Precise number withheld for obvious reasons. Rural nature of some of these countries also a factor.

100 muslim extremists, voluntarily infected with Ebola would cause far more death and disruption to America, than did 9/11.

England as well. And Europe would be an easy target...

6 posted on 07/31/2014 4:59:45 AM PDT by donozark (The voices inside my head may not be real, but they have some good ideas!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

If this thing ever hits Mexico we’re cooked!


7 posted on 07/31/2014 5:21:23 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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To: rawcatslyentist
simple. Stop all immigration from mooseslime infested areas.

There are a fair number of Christians in western and central Africa which,I believe,is where this is occurring.

8 posted on 07/31/2014 5:23:02 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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To: donozark

My thought for quite awhile. Trade in the suicide vests for biological warfare. I wasn’t sure what disease would be used. Now I know.


9 posted on 07/31/2014 6:10:34 AM PDT by GTM01
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To: Gay State Conservative

If the UK is unprepared, it is going to come in from Europe! A lot of those flights originate in Africa...transfer in the UK or France...and then on to the United States or Canada.

With incubation times of nearly 24 days, looking for “sick” passengers is useless.


10 posted on 07/31/2014 6:21:24 AM PDT by EBH (And the head wound was healed, and Gog became man.)
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To: rawcatslyentist

If Brits can’t deal with an Ebola epidemic they need to STOP all travel between them and African countries. Refuse entry to people who have traveled to Africa then attempted to come back through a 3rd country.

If the epidemic takes hold in modern cities with high rise buildings we won’t be able to stop it.


11 posted on 07/31/2014 6:31:47 AM PDT by GOPJ (Liberal elites want immigrants as servants providing cheap labor, drugs, and competition for jobs.)
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To: Smokin' Joe; null and void; Black Agnes
from UK Telegraph July 31, 2014

Note that the Telegraph has gone to live updates on this page which is updated rapidly as news comes in.

Maybe an update thread sgould be started

12 posted on 07/31/2014 6:37:10 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Smokin' Joe; null and void

more from Telegraph Ebola live update:

Time: 14.17 The WHO also said Nigerian authorities had so far identified 59 people who had come into contact with a U.S. citizen who died in Lagos last week after travelling from Liberia, via Togo and Ghana, reports Reuters.

Time: 13.54 122 new cases were detected over the four days, according to WHO data, between July 24 and 27

Time: 13.26 The World Health Organisation has released new figures showing 729 people died with 57 in four days.
1,323 are suffering with the virus. WHO says the new cases and deaths attributable to Ebola continue to be reported by the Ministries of Health in the four West African countries of Guinea, Liberia, Nigeria and Sierra Leone.


13 posted on 07/31/2014 6:40:32 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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14 posted on 07/31/2014 6:41:20 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Covenantor

That might not be a bad idea really.

Looks like MSF was right. It’s out of control over there. Several provinces on that map that weren’t there 3 or 4 days ago.


15 posted on 07/31/2014 6:43:00 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Smokin' Joe; null and void
more from Telegraph.


16 posted on 07/31/2014 6:43:38 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Black Agnes
More foreign NGO medical teams are pulling staff and evacuating families.

Again, from today's Telegraph:

Time: 12.47 The boss of one of the charities pulling its non-essential staff out mentioned earlier believes "thousands" could die, he tells the WSJ.

"This is a growing crisis of proportions that will cost, we think, thousands of lives and maybe more," said Bruce Johnson, president of SIM USA.

"The international community has the resources and people to respond, but they need to respond."

The newspaper reported "SIM will evacuate about 60 to 70 spouses, children and other non-medical staff in the next few days, Mr. Johnson said".

Hope that these family members are quarantined on their arrival where ever that might be.

17 posted on 07/31/2014 6:51:16 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Covenantor; neverdem; ProtectOurFreedom; Mother Abigail; EBH; vetvetdoug; Smokin' Joe; ...
A total of seven people joined this ping list yesterday. That's an all time record.

Bring Out Your Dead

Post to me or FReep mail to be on/off the Bring Out Your Dead ping list.

The purpose of the “Bring Out Your Dead” ping list (formerly the “Ebola” ping list) is very early warning of emerging pandemics, as such it has a high false positive rate.

So far the false positive rate is 100%.

At some point we may well have a high mortality pandemic, and likely as not the “Bring Out Your Dead” threads will miss the beginning entirely.

*sigh* Such is life, and death...

18 posted on 07/31/2014 6:51:25 AM PDT by null and void (If Bill Clinton was the first black president, why isn't Barack Obama the first woman president?)
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To: Covenantor

This particular strain is on a different branch of the family tree of e. zaire. I wonder if it’s more transmissible somehow.

http://www.nejm.org/action/showImage?doi=10.1056%2FNEJMoa1404505&iid=f03

I just hope these evacuees take appropriate precautions and don’t bring it back to the West with them...


19 posted on 07/31/2014 6:53:30 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: null and void

Let’s try to break that record today. Add me please.


20 posted on 07/31/2014 6:54:44 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: null and void

So is the death toll>


21 posted on 07/31/2014 6:54:58 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Black Agnes

Done!


22 posted on 07/31/2014 7:01:07 AM PDT by null and void (If Bill Clinton was the first black president, why isn't Barack Obama the first woman president?)
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To: Covenantor

Yeah. Too true, that.


23 posted on 07/31/2014 7:02:16 AM PDT by null and void (If Bill Clinton was the first black president, why isn't Barack Obama the first woman president?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Epidemiology dictates that strict travel and quarantine restrictions are indicated to prevent the rapid spread of this outbreak. Political correctness be damned as the consequences of inaction at this time will be horrific. Immigration and the collecting and concentrating illegal aliens are a significant part of the equation that will enable the disease to amplify if a break was to occur.


24 posted on 07/31/2014 7:26:20 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: Covenantor

That 60% fatality rate is a lie...they are playing with the numbers.


25 posted on 07/31/2014 7:29:34 AM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: Black Agnes
This particular strain is on a different branch of the family tree of e. zaire. I wonder if it’s more transmissible somehow.

At the very least it seems to be a hardier strain that's found it's way into a target rich environment.

I'm unclear as to what is meant by the graphics on the Telegraph map below.

What exactly does the "No active transmission " overlay on the "Confirmed and probable Ebola cases" really mean?

26 posted on 07/31/2014 7:41:54 AM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: GOPJ

If you do that, watch the financial markets implode.

That is the game their in right now. The risk is a global pandemic of the Black Death part II, or a financial melt down that could send the banking industry back to the low Middle Ages.

Not a good choice either way. Looks like they chose to gamble on a pandemic.


27 posted on 07/31/2014 7:44:38 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Covenantor

This step, more than anything else, tells me that the bug has changed.

It is spreading more easily now.

These groups have worked with and around Ebola for decades. To flee like this is rather disturbing.


28 posted on 07/31/2014 7:46:25 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Just let ONE infected person on one of those trains transporting “kids” from Central America to the US.


29 posted on 07/31/2014 7:47:18 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: Lady Heron
That 60% fatality rate is a lie...they are playing with the numbers.

I've been reading "The Hot Zone" and I can't imagine how anyone could recover of if they'd ever be the same. It seems to just pulverize your insides. How does a person recover from that?

30 posted on 07/31/2014 7:49:28 AM PDT by ozarkgirl
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To: redgolum

Yeah, well I guess risking a few million lives is worth keeping the markets moving...


31 posted on 07/31/2014 7:54:01 AM PDT by GOPJ ( NBC - - "Nothing But Crap" network ... jerk smirk scum...)
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To: null and void
Please add me to your Ping list please. TY
32 posted on 07/31/2014 8:03:24 AM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/sierraleone/11002041/I-would-sit-next-to-Ebola-sufferer-on-Tube-says-scientist-who-discovered-deadly-virus.html

The scientist who helped discover the Ebola virus said the outbreak in west Africa was unlikely to trigger a major epidemic outside the region, adding he would happily sit next to an infected person on a train.

33 posted on 07/31/2014 8:19:46 AM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: Chgogal

Added, welcome aboard. Buckle up, it looks like it’s going to be a rough trip. Keep your hands and arms inside the ride at all times.


34 posted on 07/31/2014 8:22:46 AM PDT by null and void (If Bill Clinton was the first black president, why isn't Barack Obama the first woman president?)
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To: GOPJ
The risk is (in the financial view) doing a quarantine, and then nothing happens.

You will cost the market trillions, cause massive social disruption, for "nothing".

In other words their view is that if the quarantine is successful in limiting the spread of the disease, it is a failure. A failure because of the massive disruption in trade. Quarantines failed during the Black Death for the same reason. Look a Venice, which had the first effective quarantine, they ultimately broke it in order to speed up trade. Which brought the plague to the city.

After you see outbreaks in the UK (which I increasingly fear is very likely) you may see some sort of quarantine. Even then, it will be very hard to do an effective quarantine. The political pressure will be so much that it will be viewed as better to spread the virus, then shut the markets down.
35 posted on 07/31/2014 8:25:54 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Chgogal

OK, that statement made me even more worried.
Either the doc is mad (many doctors are ego maniacs, it self selects for such) or willfully uniformed.


36 posted on 07/31/2014 8:27:00 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: ozarkgirl

From what I have read the few that recover are never the same. They have ongoing problems.


37 posted on 07/31/2014 8:27:00 AM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: redgolum

IMO he’s a whack job. Probably in love with the bugs and goes on about how perfect they are and how we should feel honored they’ve selected us as a host and what not.


38 posted on 07/31/2014 9:13:25 AM PDT by Justa
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IMO he’s a whack job. Probably in love with the bugs and goes on about how perfect they are and how we should feel honored they’ve selected us as a host and what not.

Well, I was hoping he was on some special PING list with other viral scientists and totally up to date. Guess not. : )

39 posted on 07/31/2014 9:17:51 AM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: null and void
Keep your hands and arms inside the ride at all times.

What fun is that? I love rough rides. ; )

40 posted on 07/31/2014 9:21:52 AM PDT by Chgogal (Obama "hung the SEALs out to dry, basically exposed them like a set of dog balls..." CMH)
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To: Chgogal
The scientist who helped discover the Ebola virus said the outbreak in west Africa was unlikely to trigger a major epidemic outside the region, adding he would happily sit next to an infected person on a train.

Stark raving mad, hopelessly ignorant, or trying to quell panic through misinformation (or a combination of all three):

Taxis, planes and viruses: How deadly Ebola can spread

From the article:

She [a recently exposed victim of Ebola] took a communal taxi via Liberia's capital Monrovia, exposing five other people to the virus who later contracted and died of the Ebola.
41 posted on 07/31/2014 9:22:53 AM PDT by jjsheridan5 (Remember Mississippi -- leave the GOP plantation)
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To: jjsheridan5

Sweat along saliva and mucus from sneezing combined with a 60-hr. survival time outside a host ensures it will continue to spread. When the weather cools it could spread via the invisible, off-the-books activities and trade routes such as prostitution and drug networks.


42 posted on 07/31/2014 9:33:39 AM PDT by Justa
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