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Half of air traffic controller job offers go to people with no aviation experience
Chicago Tribune ^ | July 30, 2014 | Jon Hilkevitch

Posted on 07/31/2014 7:50:44 AM PDT by george76

More than half of the latest batch of air-traffic controller job offers nationwide went to people with no aviation experience as part of a program designed to expand hiring among the general public, the Federal Aviation Administration said Wednesday.

About 22,500 people without an aviation background initially applied. Of those, 837 were offered jobs. The remainder of the roughly 1,600 new controller slots went to more traditional applicants, including military veterans with aviation experience and accredited aviation school graduates.

The hiring breakdown marks a major shift in FAA recruitment strategy, which is now geared toward trying to keep ahead of a wave of controller retirements while also attracting more minorities and women to the nation’s largely white and male controller work force in airport towers and radar facilities, officials have said.

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For almost the last 25 years, until the off-the-street hiring process was implemented in February, the FAA recruited controllers heavily from among military veterans possessing aviation experience and from the 36 FAA-approved college aviation programs across the U.S., the Tribune reported this spring.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: affirmativeaction; airtraffic; aviation; controller; faa; holderspeople; noexperience

1 posted on 07/31/2014 7:50:44 AM PDT by george76
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To: george76

How many of them are democrats?


2 posted on 07/31/2014 7:51:32 AM PDT by GOPJ ( NBC - - "Nothing But Crap" network ... jerk smirk scum...)
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To: george76

“attracting more minorities and women to the nation’s largely white and male controller work force in airport towers and radar facilities, officials have said.”

Quotas are more important than air safety.


3 posted on 07/31/2014 7:52:49 AM PDT by detective
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To: george76

All professions should follow suit. Brain surgeons would be a perfect test case.


4 posted on 07/31/2014 7:52:56 AM PDT by madprof98
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To: george76

but you still have to be able to count up to 20 without taking your shoes off


5 posted on 07/31/2014 7:53:57 AM PDT by molson209 (Blank)
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To: george76

TRANSLATION: Half of air traffic controllers are there because of affirmative action, and affirmative action alone.


6 posted on 07/31/2014 7:55:47 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: george76
Yeah - that makes sense.

From McDonald's drive up window to the ATC cab in one easy step courtesy of Eric Holder.

Only problem is, the international language of aviation is English, not Jive.

7 posted on 07/31/2014 7:56:25 AM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: detective

This decision is going to kill a lot of people.


8 posted on 07/31/2014 7:57:03 AM PDT by Textide
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To: george76

The libs and crazies have been working in govt jobs for decades, just waiting for someone like BHO to come along, so they can implement their hairbrained ideas.


9 posted on 07/31/2014 8:01:09 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: george76

looks like VFR for a while.


10 posted on 07/31/2014 8:02:16 AM PDT by eyeamok
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To: george76
"FAA officials defended the switch Wednesday, saying the process that includes a personality test-like biographical assessment helped the agency “select from a larger pool of qualified applicants than under past vacancy announcements” and reduced testing and training costs."


11 posted on 07/31/2014 8:04:40 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: eyeamok

Well, we hired a president with no experience in running anything, not even a lemonade stand. This is just an extention of that. I hope the flying public is comprised of all dems.


12 posted on 07/31/2014 8:05:45 AM PDT by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: george76

I am willing to bet half of journalism jobs go to children with no literary, historical, or real-world experience.


13 posted on 07/31/2014 8:06:00 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: molson209
but you still have to be able to count up to 20 without taking your shoes off

The math part of the testing has been replaced by a 'personality' profile. (I kid you not).

14 posted on 07/31/2014 8:06:46 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: detective

“We are living in the age of insanity.” — George Putnam


15 posted on 07/31/2014 8:07:13 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

My question is... what happens to the planes while the ATC’s are:

Listening to rap music on their headphones
Praying to Mecca
Phoning the Abortion Clinic

???


16 posted on 07/31/2014 8:08:57 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: Textide
This decision is going to kill a lot of people.

Isn't that part of their plan ?

17 posted on 07/31/2014 8:11:22 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: molson209
But you still have to be able to count up to 20 without taking your shoes off.

Or twenty-one, without taking your pants off.

18 posted on 07/31/2014 8:12:27 AM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

We’re supposed to be happy that fully 50% of them are competent. Among the TSA, that figure is closer to 5%,


19 posted on 07/31/2014 8:13:54 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: BenLurkin

“We are living in the age of insanity.”

Sounds like something Noah would have said.


20 posted on 07/31/2014 8:15:26 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: george76

Screwing veterans and white men,who went to ATC schools,all other federal agencies are AA cesspools.why should the FAA be exempt!


21 posted on 07/31/2014 8:15:54 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: Vigilanteman
We’re supposed to be happy that fully 50% of them are competent.

Look at it this way. The competent 50% will be handling 100% of the workload, so we're probably still OK.

22 posted on 07/31/2014 8:19:20 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: george76

Affirmative action will result in people being killed.


23 posted on 07/31/2014 8:44:04 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: george76

Because women and minorities are vastly under-represented in the government work force.


24 posted on 07/31/2014 8:45:18 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: george76

So what? The vastly larger “off the street” pool includes all types of engineers, geeks of all types and peeps who have always had a fascination with aviation even if they didn’t go into the military or go to an aviation school.

I don’t see why this is seen as a bad thing by so many on this thread.


25 posted on 07/31/2014 8:50:34 AM PDT by Valpal1 (If the police can t solve a problem with violence, they ll find a way to fix it with brute force)
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To: george76

Yeah, that’s the ticket, hire a bunch of ragheads and give them time off to pray. Oh and while you’re at it, “reconfigure” the facility bathrooms by removing the toilets and leaving just a hole in the floor so they will “feel at home.” Now there will be no need for them to learn to fly, they can just vector planes into each other.


26 posted on 07/31/2014 8:51:33 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: GOPJ

Or affirmative action candidates?


27 posted on 07/31/2014 8:52:05 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: UCANSEE2

Rush was talking about that yesterday - like he’d JUST discovered the movie.

Great movie, but I can’t recommend it to my current “circle” because of the vulgarity.


28 posted on 07/31/2014 8:53:25 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Textide

Who flies?

People who are rich enough to fly, or have to travel as part of a JOB.

these people are inherently targets of the left.


29 posted on 07/31/2014 8:54:09 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: george76

I had friends who were air traffic controllers.
It is so antiquated that I’m surprised it even worked.
FAA and Unions control the entire system.
Which means it doesn’t work very well.


30 posted on 07/31/2014 9:05:44 AM PDT by Zathras
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To: Textide

“This decision is going to kill a lot of people.”

Liberal policies have been killing innocent people for decades.


31 posted on 07/31/2014 9:11:53 AM PDT by headstamp 2
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To: UCANSEE2

"Don't worry scro'! There are plenty of 'tards out there living really kick ass lives. My first wife was 'tarded. She's a pilot now.'

32 posted on 07/31/2014 9:14:24 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: grobdriver
Only problem is, the international language of aviation is English, not Jive.

That's a bad airplane! Are you down with it? You can crash at my pad. Dayum! What up?

33 posted on 07/31/2014 9:24:08 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

“Chump don’ want no help, chump don’t GET da help!”


34 posted on 07/31/2014 9:26:47 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Zathras
It is so antiquated that I’m surprised it even worked. FAA and Unions control the entire system.

Most people have no idea how antiquated it is.

A multiple redundant computer based control system would be superior and much more efficient.

Tracking planes moving in 3D space with computers is like humans tracking a bunch of snails crawling across a table.

Multi-layered algorithms can be developed to handle most of the work load now done by humans.

Humans should always be in the loop, but if computers were fully utilized the ATC system could be much more efficient.

35 posted on 07/31/2014 9:58:24 AM PDT by sand88 (We can never legislate our way back to Liberty)
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To: george76

I once tried to get in as an ATC here in Canada. I didn’t make it through the interview and test process, particularly the verbal test section. I would hope that the FAA has similar standards to be followed before it would hire someone (to then be trained) for the job. And that permanent full-time employment would be conditional on successfully passing the training.

ATC is a very tough, demanding job requiring a certain type of person. A certain level of intelligence is required, but also skills in juggling multiple numbers (headings, flight numbers) and names in your mind simultaneously, while under pressure. I didn’t have it.

I don’t see anything wrong with trying to diversify the workforce - presumably there are women and minorities out there who would be really good at this job, but for some reason in this past they haven’t found their way to it. But ability has to be the predominant consideration in such a position.


36 posted on 07/31/2014 10:04:32 AM PDT by -YYZ- (Strong like bull, smart like tractor.)
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To: Myrddin
You can crash at my pad

Now that may be a poor choice of words, considering...

37 posted on 07/31/2014 10:14:31 AM PDT by grobdriver (Where is Wilson Blair when you need him?)
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To: Valpal1

I agree. An even temperament, the ability to focus, adequate math abilities, the ability to think in 4D — all those things would be important, but are certainly not exclusive to aviators. Actually, given that the tower isn’t actually flying; it may be that a computer flight simulator “ace” is more qualified than someone with (say) qualifications to fly a Piper Cub.


38 posted on 07/31/2014 10:16:48 AM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: george76

My friend is ATC for over 20 years and has never flown a plane or had a plane crash on his shift....
If they were pilots,,, wouldn’t we have to pay them more?


39 posted on 07/31/2014 10:36:05 AM PDT by ▀udda▀udd (>> F U B O << "What the hell kind of country is this if I can only hate a man if he's white?")
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To: george76

How many of them are illegals? With Ebola?


40 posted on 07/31/2014 2:41:54 PM PDT by hattend (Firearms and ammunition...the only growing industries under the Obama regime.)
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To: grobdriver
I once suggested going for a spin. Not well received by my flight instructor. :-) He did put me through some extra exercises later.
41 posted on 07/31/2014 2:48:41 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: grobdriver

“Yo, mofo! Dig dat DC-10 front of y’all, bitch done near slapped y’all upside da head!!! “ /s;)


42 posted on 08/05/2014 4:50:03 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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