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IRS Strikes Deal With Atheists To Monitor Churches
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/073114-711290-irs-deal-with-atheists-to-monitor-churches.htm ^

Posted on 07/31/2014 9:18:10 PM PDT by TigerClaws

First Amendment: Government's assault on religious liberty has hit a new low as the IRS settles with atheists by promising to monitor sermons for mentions of the right to life and traditional marriage.

A lawsuit filed by the Wisconsin-based Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) asserted that the Internal Revenue Service ignored complaints about churches' violating their tax-exempt status by routinely promoting political issues, legislation and candidates from the pulpit.

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Al and Jesse on this list?

How about the black Muslims?

1 posted on 07/31/2014 9:18:10 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: TigerClaws

Who the hell is the IRS to be “striking deals” with anybody? If we had a real, honest DOJ, somebody would be doing some hard time turning big rocks into little rocks.


2 posted on 07/31/2014 9:20:29 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (America is not a refugee camp! It is my home!!!)
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To: TigerClaws

How about the black churches that regularly promote Democrats? I.e. actual political candidates.


3 posted on 07/31/2014 9:20:57 PM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: TigerClaws

Those pro-homosexual marriage liberaltarians must be so proud of themselves. The last thing they care about is churches.

Pray America wakes up


4 posted on 07/31/2014 9:21:46 PM PDT by bray (Palin/Bibi 2016)
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To: TigerClaws

This regime’s time is up.


5 posted on 07/31/2014 9:23:42 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: TigerClaws
The assault on Christians has just been shifted into a higher gear.
6 posted on 07/31/2014 9:24:03 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Title sounds like the IRS is hiring atheists to do the monitoring.


7 posted on 07/31/2014 9:26:10 PM PDT by Rennes Templar (If Obama hated America and wanted to destroy her, what would he do differently?)
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To: TigerClaws

This is Nazi Germany. Ain’t fascism grand.


8 posted on 07/31/2014 9:28:56 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Rennes Templar

I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the case. You can bet the churches to be monitored will be only those attended by WHITE conservatives. The IRS is at it again.


9 posted on 07/31/2014 9:30:01 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (America is not a refugee camp! It is my home!!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

I am truly frightened for my kids.


10 posted on 07/31/2014 9:30:32 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Great vid by ShorelineMike! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOZjJk6nbD4&feature=plcp)
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To: Jim Robinson; TigerClaws

11 posted on 07/31/2014 9:44:50 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
On the surface at least this smells like the phony lawsuits and sham settlements that the EPA engages in with left-wing environmental groups, under the terms of which left-wing policy becomes enshrined in the court order.

Clearly, unbalanced enforcement against white suburban churches but not against black inner-city churches which support Democrats is inequitable. One is tempted to say that there should be no restrictions whatsoever on churches engaging in political action but that opens the door to fraudulent churches created solely for that purpose. Another approach means going in the opposite direction: no church may enjoy a tax exemption if it engages in any political activity whatsoever. This, however, means that black churches will have to stop being organs of the Democrat party and it raises problems concerning a church's ability to defend its interests, qua church, on matters directly affecting them in their functions as churches such as hiring only believers. Churches should have the right certainly to engage in free speech and lobby in their own interests to survive.

Where does one draw the line between a church acting within the scope of its traditional role and political speech? Certainly the line should not be drawn by Lois Lerner's IRS. Nor should it be drawn by secret settlements to litigation between Lois Lerner's IRS and a left wing agitation group.


12 posted on 07/31/2014 10:00:23 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: TigerClaws

Unconstitutional.


13 posted on 07/31/2014 10:06:02 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: TigerClaws

The irony here is that secular humanists (of which most atheists are), believe that humans are capable of a collective morality absent (faith-based) religion. It never occurs to them that the entirety of human history demonstrates that humans (individually and collectively) are more likely to act in an immoral manner in the absence of a moral code based on religion... put bluntly, their core belief is based on faith rather than on evidence.


14 posted on 07/31/2014 10:18:40 PM PDT by leakinInTheBlueSea
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Atheists are a-holes.


15 posted on 07/31/2014 10:19:09 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: TigerClaws

This needs a legislative fix asap


16 posted on 07/31/2014 10:24:01 PM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: leakinInTheBlueSea

>> It never occurs to them

It never occurs to them they don’t know what they’re denying.


17 posted on 07/31/2014 10:30:38 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: TigerClaws
This Gestapo needs to be eliminated with the executive level leading the way.

Support no candidate that does not support annihilation of the IRS.

18 posted on 07/31/2014 10:31:09 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: Gene Eric
Nothing really NEW here. The Unitarians have been "monitoring" churches for political speech for several years.

The only twist is the IRS being directly involved.

ABSOLUTELY unconstitutional.

The irony is, I can't remember the last time my parish priest spoke against abortion or gay marriage.

So in Seattle at least, no worries about running afoul of being "political" at all.

They are definitely on the liberal side. So no worries.

19 posted on 07/31/2014 10:35:46 PM PDT by boop (I just wanted a President. But I got a rock.)
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To: RightGeek

Only Conservatives will be targeted—you know that. This got to end—The IRS needs to be defanged and broken up. Maybe ended completely.


20 posted on 07/31/2014 10:41:12 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll Onward! Ride to the sound of the guns!)
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To: TigerClaws
Churches have been tax exempt since the founding of the country, the churches brought this on themselves. The threat of losing their 501-c3 is meaningless. There is no requirement that any church get a 501-c3, they have done it volintarily.

There are non 501-c3 churches, I know this to be true, I am a member of one. I won't attend a 501-c3 church.

21 posted on 07/31/2014 10:59:05 PM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: c-b 1

Churches have the right to free speech. If it ever went to the Supreme Court, it would be unconstitutional. There have been many opportunities for liberals to challenge but they really don’t want it to go to court.


22 posted on 07/31/2014 11:04:57 PM PDT by boycott
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To: TigerClaws

Save


23 posted on 07/31/2014 11:08:53 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where?)
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To: TigerClaws

When government says we can’t talk about government sanctioned murder or government sanctioned sexual perversion, it is time to tell government to go back to hell where it came from.


24 posted on 07/31/2014 11:33:08 PM PDT by pallis
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To: nathanbedford
This, however, means that black churches will have to stop being organs of the Democrat party

You know that is never going to happen. Either the Obungler will exempt them, or the black churches will play their trump, er, I mean their race card.

25 posted on 07/31/2014 11:38:51 PM PDT by Mark17 (Obama & Nero? Both Emperors. The difference is Nero plays a fiddle, while Obama plays Minnesota Fats)
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To: nathanbedford

Most black “Churches “ are FRAUD churches anyway....NO WAY can they be “Christians” and support the evil they do...

Actually a LOT of churches in general fall into this category today.


26 posted on 07/31/2014 11:49:55 PM PDT by Rca2000
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To: TigerClaws

This policy by the IRS is a direct violation of the first amendment. The state may not interfere with religious speech - the government is now going to decide what “religious” speech is permissible and that which is not.

The churches have the right to criticize the government if it or it’s actions, policies violate God’s law. Abortion, homosexuality, marriage are all moral issues according to Judeo-Christian Scriptures and teaching.

If a church were preaching setting off bombs or killing police officers (sounds like some Muslim groups or rappers) - that’s obviously against the
law - but now a church that speaks out against a moral issue that has become political is not permitted?

This must be challenged in the courts. Also, tying political speech to the tax exempt status of churches is a joke. Churches have been given that exemption since the beginning of our nation - before there ever was a personal income tax. This about control, not the tax exemption - that’s being used as intimidation - rather extortion - because most churches are 100 members or smaller. Removing the tax exemption will cause many small churches to lose their property as they will not be able to afford the property taxes, let alone the federal, state, and local taxes, etc.

But the vast majority of church attending people go to small churches - this about controlling religious people to shut up, to further control speech certain persons don’t like. What do atheists care about abortion or same-sex marriage? The New Atheists want all religious speech stopped inside and outside the walls of the church building.


27 posted on 08/01/2014 12:46:38 AM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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To: TigerClaws

We need to burn up the phones and called our congresspersons! This is outrageous!


28 posted on 08/01/2014 1:35:35 AM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: TigerClaws

Atheists are joining the militant homosexuals in doing what they can to undermine our sacred traditions and institutions. They are marching with the left to fundamentally transform this country.


29 posted on 08/01/2014 2:06:47 AM PDT by windsorknot
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To: TigerClaws
Wisconsin-based Freedom From Religion Foundation

Figgures

30 posted on 08/01/2014 4:30:01 AM PDT by tbpiper
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To: windsorknot

Marxist dictatorships don’t work with Christianity.

Pray America wakes up


31 posted on 08/01/2014 6:25:20 AM PDT by bray (Palin/Bibi 2016)
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To: Sun

In Cansda, preaching the Bible’s condemnation of homosexuality is a hate crime.

Remember that in most police states there are about five informants per government agent gathering dossiers on citizen activities.

Atheists infiltrating churches? Hmm... try thrusting a cross or crucifix into someone’s face if they look suspicious (i.e., liberal). A believer will be merely annoyed and ask you what’s the deal with the cross.

An atheist will recoil in horror just like a vampire.

Just a theory......


32 posted on 08/01/2014 6:31:01 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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