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Marine Le Pen takes poll lead in race for next French presidential election
ft.com ^ | 7/31/14 | Hugh Carnegy

Posted on 08/01/2014 12:37:49 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper

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The growing threat to France’s mainstream political leaders posed by Marine Le Pen, head of France’s far-right National Front, has been underscored by an opinion poll putting her in the lead for the first time in the race for the next presidential election.

The charismatic Ms Le Pen has overtaken former centre-right president Nicolas Sarkozy in voting intentions if the first round of the election were held today, with socialist incumbent François Hollande trailing in third, according to the Ifop poll.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: eussr; france; iran; marinelepen; terroristallies; vote
The right might win in FRANCE? Sacre bleu.
1 posted on 08/01/2014 12:37:49 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SoFloFreeper

As the vote nears, and with the socialist in 3rd, the moderate socialist will move to Sarkozy. That is the whole point of these runoff type systems, to keep the centrist parties perpetually in power.


2 posted on 08/01/2014 12:54:31 AM PDT by Reaganez
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To: SoFloFreeper

~The right might win in FRANCE? Sacre bleu.~

If Hillary would somehow manage to win a presidency, mind my word, after Obama and her, voters would elect Pol Pot or Mao in a heartbeat.


3 posted on 08/01/2014 1:06:20 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: SoFloFreeper

Le Front National is not “the right”. Founded by a neo-Vichy who once claimed that the Nazi occupation of France “was not inhumane” and that they were guilty only “of a few blunders”.


4 posted on 08/01/2014 1:13:31 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Is the nationalist Le Front National a leftist party? A centrist party?


5 posted on 08/01/2014 1:21:29 AM PDT by Reaganez
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To: Reaganez
They describe themselves economically as “neither right nor left, (just) French”. They’ve never had a singular economic policy either; right now they’re balancing (or trying to balance) the free market with the welfare state, and they have a protectionist bent at present.

They’ve been against every military move by the US, especially when it’s against the so-called Muslim world. Marine le Pen recently stated that France ought to ally itself with Iran of all countries, which is a seeming repudiation of her criticism of Iran back in 2011—an indication of merely pandering to Israel, and given their relative silence on recent attacks on Jews in France, that is all it was, in context.
6 posted on 08/01/2014 1:36:14 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: SoFloFreeper

The National Front is only labeled “Right Wing” in the socialistic, eurocentric view that Nazism is the right wing of socialism whereas Communism is the left wing of socialism.

Thus, the NF is “right wing” to socialists but left-wing to Americans.

Also, notice that 0bama is cozy with both the anti-Jewish NF in France as well as the anti-Russian nazis in the Ukraine.

It isn’t a coincidence.


7 posted on 08/01/2014 1:42:44 AM PDT by Southack (The one thing preppers need from the 1st World? http://tinyurl.com/ktfwljc .)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Immigration law is certainly worth criticizing, and even protection of French culture and “values” is something to uphold, but I do believe she and the Front National should explicitly denounce and distance itself from any racist sentiments.


8 posted on 08/01/2014 1:48:22 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: Olog-hai

How they describe themselves is poppycock.

Every party in the world fits along the spectrum.

Nationalist party describing itself as just National fits perfectly with the right. Just American. Just French or Just British or whatever. A statist nationalist protectionist economic policy is also a variant of right wing politics.

Being anti-American does not exclude them from a right wing definition.Nor its anti Semitism. That has right wing and left wing flavors.

The strange one is its alliance with Muslims and Iran. That has a very internationalist multicultural flavor yet they are fanatically pro French culture. Very few large parties in large Western Countries are ideologically consistent.

On balance the world is correct in calling it a right wing party.


9 posted on 08/01/2014 2:25:29 AM PDT by Reaganez
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To: Reaganez

It’s only “poppycock” when they keep flailing around. No political party therefore fits in a nicely-circumscribed category, especially worldwide. In context of Europe, they would be on the “right”, but in US context, they are most definitely on the left.

And just who is “the world”?


10 posted on 08/01/2014 2:28:30 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Southack

The defining attribute of “right wing” is nationalism as opposed to “left wing” internationalism. That is pretty much the standard definition in the modern world.

Nazis were atheist on the road to paganism and statist on the way to socialism. But no doubt they were German Nationalist.


11 posted on 08/01/2014 2:29:21 AM PDT by Reaganez
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To: Olog-hai

You want an existential debate about linguistics?

Really?

The same consensus that says the sky is blue.


12 posted on 08/01/2014 2:30:38 AM PDT by Reaganez
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To: Reaganez

You seem mixed up. There is no neat definition “on balance” with “the world”. Front National is on the left and there is no antisemitic context to so-called “right wing” politics—unless you believe the left with respect to fascism and national socialism being on “the right” (which they are not).


13 posted on 08/01/2014 2:32:23 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Reaganez

No. Nationalism is not right wing. The left has misdefined it as such.


14 posted on 08/01/2014 2:33:20 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

You seem confused. There is a definition. It is used in newspapers, debates,pedestrian conversations, scholarly journals all over the world.

I don’t “believe the left.”

It just is. Fascism and National Socialism is on the right. All “nationalism” are on the right. All variants of “internationalisms” are on the left.


15 posted on 08/01/2014 2:36:58 AM PDT by Reaganez
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To: wetphoenix

Considering NYC elected a communist for mayor 75-25, your conjecture is too far off.


16 posted on 08/01/2014 2:37:26 AM PDT by newfreep ("Evil succeeds when good men do nothing" - Edttmund Burke)
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To: Reaganez; Olog-hai

Leftism, like Fascism and National Socialism (i.e. NAZI), embrace a large, powerful Federal govt to exert control over the people via “govt health care, controlling business & limiting individual freedom.

SHeesh, one would think a freeper would grasp Big Govt = Leftism.

C’mon Reaganez, get with the program!


17 posted on 08/01/2014 2:44:01 AM PDT by newfreep ("Evil succeeds when good men do nothing" - Edttmund Burke)
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To: Reaganez

Yes you do believe the left. Neither fascism nor national socialism are on the right; there are no characteristics to so define them. Same with you saying that antisemitism has “right-wing flavors”, which is an accusation that the US right is antisemitic in some way—which makes me belive that you are on the left.


18 posted on 08/01/2014 2:45:43 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: newfreep

Precisely.


19 posted on 08/01/2014 2:46:00 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai; newfreep

PS. It’s not “federal” but “central”. The concept of federalism limits the power of a federal government.


20 posted on 08/01/2014 2:46:54 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

I do not “believe” the Left and I am as much a leftist as Ronald Reagan.

US Right used to be anti Semetic in the 1960’s and before. That is why almost the entire American Jewry bewilderingly votes Democratic. To not acknowledge that is to not acknowledge history. Same goes for Canada and Europe.Now that has almost fully transferred to the Left.

I guess you want to live in a fantasy world were anyone remotely associated with your politics past or present is perfect.The good Christian Southern folks were never racist and never owned slaves or practiced a slave system based on race? At the the time Southern Christians were Leftist? LOL


21 posted on 08/01/2014 2:59:10 AM PDT by Reaganez
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To: Reaganez

What “US right” was antisemitic in the 60s?? There’s no such history; that all came from the left. It’s always been secular Jews who care little for Israel that vote for the Democrats, not religious ones.

Yes, southern “Christians” were most definitely leftist, with a collectivist bent. The north represented the free market. It’s you who is in the leftist fantasy world.


22 posted on 08/01/2014 3:03:18 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Reaganez

Antisemites from the 60s and before? Henry Ford ran as a Democrat in 1918 for the US Senate from Michigan (left-winger who supported the League of Nations and ran on a peace platform). Democrat FDR’s policy towards Jewish refugees was to turn them away, until public pressure forced him to relent (and we know his hard-left tendencies). Just two major examples.


23 posted on 08/01/2014 3:08:48 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: SoFloFreeper

So the French are fed up with the ignorant savages infesting their country? The French have a sense of national pride. That is sorely lacking in the USA. It has been replaced by a sick national guilt. (Not affecting me)


24 posted on 08/01/2014 3:28:56 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: Olog-hai

Correct. They are anti-EU, but NOT pro -American and quasi-fascist. Not a lot of difference between them and the socialists.


25 posted on 08/01/2014 3:35:43 AM PDT by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: LS

They weren’t always anti-EU either. Quite the flip-floppers, except on who they hate most.


26 posted on 08/01/2014 3:37:48 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: SoFloFreeper

toooooo kool.


27 posted on 08/01/2014 3:40:33 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Sarkozy was just arrested I think. Big win for Le Pen in the aftermath


28 posted on 08/01/2014 4:43:12 AM PDT by Viennacon (Rebuke the Repuke!)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Is Le Pen really “the right”? She’s actually something of a socialist: she wants the state to run energy companies, financial services, the post office, hospitals, schools and transportation. She’s just opposed to illegal immigration.


29 posted on 08/01/2014 5:44:25 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: SoFloFreeper
Le Pen and the National Front are not "far right", they are socialists. They just have the sense to see that by importing millions of foreigners, the "fair share" of the plunder is reduced for French citizens. So, their logical solution is to cut off the loot going to foreigners.

This simple idea is so easy to grasp, that the National Front gains many of their new voters from the "leftwing" Socialist Party. So much so, the Socialist Party conducted a study to determine why "their" voters are splitting and voting for the National Front.

The National Front is not pro-freedom, pro-economic freedom or anything else. They believe that French Socialism should be for the French and not millions of imported foreigners. So, what exactly makes this party "far right". I don't know.

30 posted on 08/01/2014 7:01:43 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (You can have a free country or government schools. Choose one.)
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To: Reaganez

No. The difference between left-wing socialism versus right-wing socialism per Marx and Lenin is that the right-wing believes in private property rights for individuals, whereas the left-wing believes that all of the people own all of everything.


31 posted on 08/01/2014 11:56:55 AM PDT by Southack (The one thing preppers need from the 1st World? http://tinyurl.com/ktfwljc .)
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To: SoFloFreeper

Can Le Pen lead? That’s the question.


32 posted on 08/02/2014 10:37:55 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Reaganez

Nonsense. Watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NT6koTFHnH0

The Left invented the Rightwing. The European “Right” are Nazis.


33 posted on 08/02/2014 10:40:49 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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