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Feds raid S.C. home to seize Land Rover in EPA emission-control crackdown
The Washington Times ^ | August 1, 2014 | Cheryl K. Chumley

Posted on 08/01/2014 7:46:40 AM PDT by null and void

When it comes to environmental regulation compliance, the Department of Homeland Security isn’t playing — as evidenced by a recent federal raid of a South Carolinian’s home to confiscate a Land Rover that violated EPA emission rules.

Jennifer Brinkley said she saw a line of law enforcement vehicles approaching her home and wondered what was wrong, the local WBTV reported. Homeland Security agents then went to her 1985 Land Rover Defender and lifted the hood.

“They popped up the hood and looked at the Vehicle Identification Number and compared it with a piece of paper and then took the car with them,” she said, WBTV reported.

...

Ms. Brinkley said on Fox News that she had spent considerable money ensuring her vehicle would pass inspection laws and that it was in compliance with emission rules.

(Excerpt) Read more at beta.washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: abuseofpower; homelandsecurity; southcarolina; tyranny
Doubtless they will return it if pressed hard enough.

But I bet they've already crushed it.

1 posted on 08/01/2014 7:46:40 AM PDT by null and void
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2 posted on 08/01/2014 7:47:25 AM PDT by null and void (If Bill Clinton was the first black president, why isn't Barack Obama the first woman president?)
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To: null and void

Why exactly is this a federal law enforcement case, again?


3 posted on 08/01/2014 7:48:16 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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4 posted on 08/01/2014 7:49:12 AM PDT by null and void (If Bill Clinton was the first black president, why isn't Barack Obama the first woman president?)
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To: null and void

The DHS has become the administration’s go-to brown shirts.


5 posted on 08/01/2014 7:51:27 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (The cure has become worse than the disease. Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: null and void

I asked this on the other thread.

Who in their right mind pays 60 grand for a mid 1980s British vehicle?

Did it have rocker panels full of cocaine?
#French Connection


6 posted on 08/01/2014 7:51:38 AM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: bamahead

Ping.


7 posted on 08/01/2014 7:52:33 AM PDT by GregNH (If you can't fight, please find a good place to hide!)
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To: coloradan

That’s not the right question.
The question should be: WHY IS DHS INVOLVED IN A CIVIL CODE VIOLATION?................


8 posted on 08/01/2014 7:53:09 AM PDT by Red Badger (If you compromise with evil, you just get more evil..........................)
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To: null and void

Once your vehicle in New Jersey is 25 years old...

Historic vehicles
General inspections are not required for historic or collector vehicles. To be classified as a “historic vehicle” it must be:

At least 25 years old
Specially registered and display QQ plates


9 posted on 08/01/2014 7:53:10 AM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves)
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To: null and void

What is the DHS doing enforcing EPA rules? Am I missing something here? When did they become a new form of FBI or other federal police force? I thought they were supposed to defend us from terror threats.


10 posted on 08/01/2014 7:53:54 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: FourtySeven

One bureau to rule them all...


11 posted on 08/01/2014 7:56:16 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: null and void

DHS Motto- “We do what we want, where we want, anytime we want to”.


12 posted on 08/01/2014 7:56:33 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: FourtySeven

They aren’t directly enforcing EPA’s rules. They’re enforcing customs rules.

If the vehicles entered this country illegally it’s a customs issue. DHS’s ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) component has appropriate and proper jurisdiction.


13 posted on 08/01/2014 7:57:17 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: coloradan

I propose eliminating all, or at least almost all, armed federal law enforcement positions. If desk agents of some FLEA-bag think they have a case against someone, they contact the local sheriff’s office and present their case. If the sheriffs go along with it, the arrest or seizure is made by said sheriffs. If not, the feds might reconsider whether what they are doing is important or not (to say nothing of being compliant with the Constitution. Where’s the EPA in that document, again? To say nothing of the DEA, FBI, CIA, BATFE, DHS, etc.)


14 posted on 08/01/2014 7:57:25 AM PDT by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: null and void; MeshugeMikey; Diogenes; Jane Long; All

But, but, but, the EPA is just fulfilling its assigned role to be the Gestapo Wing of the Democrat Brotherhood Government!

Why do you think we pay taxes?

Reid’s BLM Police can’t be expected to do all of the punishment to us here on Welfare Plantation America!

Besides, it might make nice wheels for a daughter of one of the High Command’s Officials, possibly whose Initials are BHO, or is it BS?

It is soooooo difficult to figure out with all this transparency, sealed records, and destroyed hard drives.


15 posted on 08/01/2014 7:58:51 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: null and void

I just noticed the tailgate stopped the bullets.


16 posted on 08/01/2014 8:02:12 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: null and void

“She also said her vehicle was just one of 40 that feds seized in various locations that same day for the same reason.”

I thought this was the same car as the other article. Possibly not


17 posted on 08/01/2014 8:06:00 AM PDT by wrench
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To: Red Badger

” WHY IS DHS INVOLVED IN A CIVIL CODE VIOLATION?................”

Because a police state is a safe state.


18 posted on 08/01/2014 8:08:46 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: null and void

There is reason to suspect that VIN on the vehicle in question had been altered. That’s illegal.

There is no such thing as a 1985 Land Rover Defender. That name came into use in 1990.

It would seem that the VIN was changed to one appropriate for 1985 to fool unsuspecting buyers into thinking that the 25-year exemption would apply.


19 posted on 08/01/2014 8:09:07 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: nascarnation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RXV-p_Ec6Q


20 posted on 08/01/2014 8:11:59 AM PDT by Red Badger (If you compromise with evil, you just get more evil..........................)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Are you inferring that a Police State is safer that the good old days when Law and Order kept us safe?


21 posted on 08/01/2014 8:12:06 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: TADSLOS

Addendum: ...”to whoever we want...”.


22 posted on 08/01/2014 8:12:08 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: cuban leaf

It appears to have one of those thick plastic bedliners. Those things are tough. About 5MM thick. Look along the top of the bed rails.


23 posted on 08/01/2014 8:13:36 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: tanknetter

If only they were half as enthusiastic about enforcing immigration law.

They may have jurisdiction, but good grief! Who cares if 40 Land Rovers are gathering dust in American garages. Don’t they have anything more important to look into? And couldn’t one cop and a tow truck handle this just as well as a caravan of DHS vehicles?


24 posted on 08/01/2014 8:13:54 AM PDT by lacrew
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To: Graewoulf

LOL!


25 posted on 08/01/2014 8:14:00 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: null and void

Insanity. Some push back has got to happen against these fed thugs sooner or later.


26 posted on 08/01/2014 8:16:50 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: null and void

If true, this is a very weird story. Why is DHS involved? Why is the federal government confiscating this vehicle without even testing it? In my state, auto emission compliance is checked every two years when you renew your license tabs, it has nothing to do with the federal government. And if you fail the test, they don’t impound your car, but you are given time to fix the problem. You won’t get your tabs, but they won’t take your car.


27 posted on 08/01/2014 8:19:49 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Fresh Wind

Probably a legit 85 LR 110.

If someone called it a defender, I doubt many would say it is a wrong description.


28 posted on 08/01/2014 8:20:01 AM PDT by wrench
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To: SpeakerToAnimals

I mean the bullet “dents” in the tailgate. They are not holes.


29 posted on 08/01/2014 8:25:48 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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To: Steve_Seattle

Because at it’s heart it’s a customs issue, not emmissions. The vehicles look to have entered the country illegally.

Now, I’m not saying that this is a good use for guys who could be running down illegal aliens, but as a legal matter this is a Federal matter and ICE (which is the DHS component involved) does have jurisdiction. As it’s pre-DHS predecessor (the old CBP, I believe) would have as well.


30 posted on 08/01/2014 8:28:26 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: null and void
What gets me is the placid, almost sonambulistic, manner in which people accept this kind of behavior. I'd be jumping up and down yelling for somebody’s head.
31 posted on 08/01/2014 8:32:13 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: null and void

What gets me is the placid, almost sonambulistic, manner in which people accept this kind of behavior. I’d be jumping up and down yelling for somebody’s head.


32 posted on 08/01/2014 8:32:33 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: Fresh Wind

There is reason to suspect that VIN on the vehicle in question had been altered. That’s illegal.

So what? That makes it the business of jackboots at DHS?

If this is legitimately the concern of DHS then it is past time to openly acknowledge that DHS is the State Police, the domestic military.

Thus, since we have been previously informed that the DHS is not subject to the 4th amendment (or any other part of the Constitution), it logically follows that the feds have effectively suspended the US Constitution in toto.

Based on what the Republicans are doing in congress to combat mass lawlessness of the feds (nothing), it is also reasonable to assume that 2014 and 2016 elections will do nothing to change the direction of our burgeoning police state.

You may want to exercise more discretion when talking with your liberal neighbors. All it takes for a swat team to hit your home is an anonymous tip from one of your offended Democrat comrades saying you have a couple 30 round mags for your AR15.

33 posted on 08/01/2014 8:42:49 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: wrench

Regardless of the name, DHS had a list of VINs that they were looking for. Where did that list come from?

Did some European agency bust an exporter and get the list and pass that along to the DHS? Were the vehicles owned legitimately by the exporter, or were they stolen? If they were stolen, it’s almost a given that the VINs were altered.

Probably a different gang, but this article from 2010 describes what may well have been going on:

http://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/news/crime/exclusive-land-rover-gang-jailed-for-1-million-deeply-criminal-business-1-4780141

Another one (from 2013):

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/10863159.Mystery_of_Bolton_Land_Rover_thefts/

Or this (from 2012):

http://www.swiftcover.com/about/press/most-stolen-car-revealed/


34 posted on 08/01/2014 8:45:26 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: null and void

Whew. I guess all that ruckus on the border is solved freeing up the manpower to go after the real criminals.


35 posted on 08/01/2014 8:48:32 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: Red Badger

Excellent!


36 posted on 08/01/2014 8:49:01 AM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: Fresh Wind
More info (note the discussed federal criminal case):

http://jalopnik.com/the-feds-just-seized-40-land-rovers-imported-to-the-u-s-1605985758

37 posted on 08/01/2014 8:53:59 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Fresh Wind

If the government has such a list, why do they not publish it?


38 posted on 08/01/2014 8:57:16 AM PDT by wrench
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To: null and void
Is the EPA the new Gestapo? The current administrator of the EPA is Gina McCarthy; she is appointed; another unelected Bureaucrat with enormous power and reach.
Employees 15,913 (2013)
Annual budget $7.901 billion (2013)

I wonder what Governor Nikki Haley will do about this violation of the Constitution.

39 posted on 08/01/2014 8:59:43 AM PDT by yoe
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To: Fresh Wind
An Interesting observation...you could have found the key for confiscating the car......still that doesn't excuse the heavy handed way the EPA took possession.

(1985 Land Rover-Defender)....

40 posted on 08/01/2014 9:06:49 AM PDT by yoe
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To: Charles Martel

Thanks for that link.

And linked through the Jalopnik site is this very interesting 2013 piece from Car & Driver, including a screen capture from an eBay sale ad for an LR said to be a 1987, but was described as a model that wasn’t actually marketed until 2003:

http://blog.caranddriver.com/exclusive-feds-declare-war-on-black-market-land-rover-defenders/


41 posted on 08/01/2014 9:17:38 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: yoe

The EPA had nothing directly to do with this. The action was taken by what used to be the US Customs Service when it was under the Treasury Department, but is now part of DHS as the Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) agency.

I’m not defending their tactics, though it does appear that they were acting under a court order, and I certainly don’t endorse the regulations that are the basis for this.

But it appears that the exporters/importers of these vehicles are engaged in fraud, and possibly dealing in the sale of stolen goods, which is a far more serious offense than violating an emissions control regulation.


42 posted on 08/01/2014 9:30:18 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (The last remnants of the Old Republic have been swept away.)
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To: cuban leaf
I took a closer look. Several did not penetrate the outer skin. Some did go through. The early versions of that series Tacoma had flimsy tailgates. A number of them folded when rolling motorcycles up a ramp into the truck. They had a TSB listing a new, stronger tailgate.

The added x bracing may be what stopped the projectiles.

43 posted on 08/01/2014 9:44:32 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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I am completely speechless.



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44 posted on 08/01/2014 1:28:29 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: bamahead

I own a 1965 Chevy pick up that me and my son are working together to restore, he rode in this truck on his very first fishing trip and many substantial ones. He really wants to see this truck road worthy again. I am now rethinking this whole thing.


45 posted on 08/01/2014 2:13:01 PM PDT by GregNH (If you can't fight, please find a good place to hide!)
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To: GregNH

A ‘65 Chevy with a verifiable title and registration history is about as far from this scenario as you can get. There’s no reason to abandon that project.


46 posted on 08/01/2014 2:53:46 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: null and void

so glad that they are doing this stuff rather than protecting our borders.....


47 posted on 08/01/2014 7:09:06 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster

Yea, I guess they have to take their frustration out somewhere.


48 posted on 08/01/2014 7:17:22 PM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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