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“Border Security” Is NOT “Border Security” Without A Long, Strong, High, Double-Sided Fence
Hugh Hewitt.com ^ | July 31,2014 | Hugh Hewitt

Posted on 08/01/2014 4:08:29 PM PDT by Hojczyk

Today I read Bill Kristol’s assessment and realize that the House GOP leadership has no idea what they are doing on the topic of border security, which absolutely requires a long, strong, high, double-sided fence with a road running between the two fences. This “fence project” is a necessary though not sufficient condition to border security, emphasis on “necessary.” Other things, like visa reform, are also key, but the double-sided fence is what voters want to see built.

Consultants and pollsters have told the House GOP leadership that they must be for “border security,” but that they cannot be for the only thing on which genuine border security depends –a fence. This creates the dilemma of having to pretend to be for border security when in fact you are doing nothing to advance it because without the fence project, nothing will work.

Because the elected lack the courage to make the common-sense argument that a law forbidding unpermitted entry is in fact a “legal fence” that assumes physical fences where necessary, the electeds lose the argument with their base and with the undecided public that knows the score. Bill Kristol is right.

Kill the fake border security bill and go home until the House leadership gets serious about passing a real border security bill. The president is already losing the election single-handedly by allowing the world to slide towards chaos. It would make sense for the House GOP to pass a bill based on good policy –a fence– but it makes no sense to throw the president a rope via a self-inflicted political wound over a pretend border security bill that everyone knows is a fake bill.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: bordersecurity

1 posted on 08/01/2014 4:08:29 PM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk

GOPe good cop/bad cop.

Hewitt is not credible with regard to any political strategy.


2 posted on 08/01/2014 4:12:09 PM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: Hojczyk
Hewitt, you ignorant slut. Congress already passed a Secure Fence Act back in 2006. Where did the money and authorization go for that one?


3 posted on 08/01/2014 4:13:45 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Hojczyk

Wherever they put these fences they work forcing interlopers to have to travel dozens of miles out into the desert in order to try to get around them.

And for many of them it is such an inconvenience that they just give up and go back and sit down for a cerveza and a siesta.


4 posted on 08/01/2014 4:20:47 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Hojczyk

Any time you hear an Open Borders-type say a border fence would not worrk you can be sure he/she is saying it because they know it would work. Better late than never but millions could have been prevented from breaking into this country had one been built. And alas, despite the flood tide, one is not about to be built now.


5 posted on 08/01/2014 4:21:32 PM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished. It will just take a while before everyone realizes it.)
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To: Hojczyk
House GOP "leadership" concept of a border fence.

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6 posted on 08/01/2014 4:21:33 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Hojczyk; All
A fence was settled 8 years ago. Do a search on "The Secure Fence Act of 2006"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Fence_Act_of_2006

7 posted on 08/01/2014 4:23:51 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

And a fence only stops 60% of the illegal aliens. 40% of them come here legally and overstay their visas.


8 posted on 08/01/2014 4:29:07 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Hojczyk
Thanks for noticing, Hugh.

Every dollar spent on a real double fence saves $100 dollars spent housing, feeding, educating, counseling, lawyering, medicating, arresting, and incarcerating illegal aliens.


9 posted on 08/01/2014 4:32:01 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: kabar

I agree with you. The fence stops the flow at the source, and then an Eisenhower-like process can do the interior enforcement.


10 posted on 08/01/2014 4:33:44 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: kabar

The fence stops the most illiterate and parasitical types. If you flew into the USA on a work or student visa, at least you have SOMETHING to offer, maybe.

I fail to see what a pregnant 17 year old gal from Guatemala offers us. Or a 17 year old gang banger from El Salvador.

So yes, build the fence.


11 posted on 08/01/2014 4:34:26 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Cobra64

That fence bill only authorized fencing 750 out of 2,000 miles. I think they didn’t even build 100 new miles before Congress declared the border secure, and spent the money elsewhere.

Which means that if both the open border Rats and GOPes don’t want to build a fence, it won’t be built, despite a bill.

BIG OTOH: If a GOP presidential candidate runs on building the fence, on extending the successful San Diego double fence all the way to the Gulf of Mexico, in his first year, he will win the 2016 election in a landslide. If he spoke in terms of putting a man on the moon, the Panama Canal, America’s greatness, “We built the Empire State Building in 410 days, we can build the double fence even faster!”

Contract out 100 mile sections to be built to the San Diego standard, put in big late penalties and early bonuses, and we’d have it all done in one year. But only if a president demands it, and pushes it as his signature issue.


12 posted on 08/01/2014 4:39:04 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

I like this graphic. Thanks.


13 posted on 08/01/2014 4:40:16 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

“Hewitt, you ignorant slut. Congress already passed a Secure Fence Act back in 2006. Where did the money and authorization go for that one?”

I can answer that but you won’t like it. Kay Bailey Hutchison, RINO extrordinaire from TX helped take the funds and channel them elsewhere. At least that’s what I read. The authorization is still there as far as I know it just got defunded. Ain’t life grand?


14 posted on 08/01/2014 4:40:52 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
We need to fully implement the US-VISIT program that was passed in 1996. It is a system to track and deport visa overstays. We get over 50 million foreign visitors a year. There are 900,000 foreign students including 80,000 from Saudi Arabia.

An Operation Wetback type effort like Eisenhower used will not work when the illegal aliens are scattered all the country. We need to shut off the job magnet and make it as unwelcoming as possible to stay here. Attrition thru enforcement is the way to go. The choice is not between a blanket amnesty and mass deportation.

15 posted on 08/01/2014 4:44:57 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Hojczyk; dfwgator

>>border security, which absolutely requires a long, strong, high, double-sided fence with a road running between the two fences. <<

What is a double-sided fence? I am quite sure that I have never seen a single-sided fence.


16 posted on 08/01/2014 4:45:16 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: Salvation
It's simple and makes a very clear point.

Here's a related one I made.

It takes about five minutes on MS "Paint" (on almost every PC) to take images and caption and frame them.

I just made this one:


17 posted on 08/01/2014 4:56:00 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
I fail to see what a pregnant 17 year old gal from Guatemala offers us. Or a 17 year old gang banger from El Salvador.

Please report to the nearest Obama Re-education Center for sensitivity, tolerance, and diversity training, you racist.

18 posted on 08/01/2014 4:59:24 PM PDT by Veggie Todd (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. TJ)
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To: Hojczyk

I like my idea better. That would be the US military take over the northernmost 10 miles of Mexico and turn it into a DMZ. It would be totally justified since Mexico has enabled our being invaded by Central American (and other) hordes.


19 posted on 08/01/2014 5:00:38 PM PDT by grania
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To: Veggie Todd

20 posted on 08/01/2014 5:06:12 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
I never said that the fence should not be built. I support it completely not only to stop illegal aliens coming here to live and work but also as a matter of national security.

The two main threats to our national security posed by immigration relate to terrorism and drugs. First, tens of thousands of persons from countries that support international terrorism have come across our southern border undetected since 9/11. Testifying before Congress in March 2006, FBI Director Robert Mueller said that his agency busted a smuggling ring organized by the terrorist group Hezbollah that had operatives cross the Mexican border to carry out possible terrorist attacks inside the U.S. “This was an occasion in which Hezbollah operatives were assisting others with some association with Hezbollah in coming to the United States,” Mueller told a House Appropriations subcommittee during a hearing on the FBI's budget. Hezbollah was responsible for the October 1983 bombing of the Marine barracks in Beirut, which killed 243 U.S. troops. A total of 20 foreign-born terrorists were involved in 9/11, 19 of whom took part in the attack that resulted in nearly 3,000 deaths. The terrorists had entered the country on tourist or student visas. Four of them, however, had overstayed their visas and become illegal aliens and the others should not have been granted visas for various immigration control reasons.

Second, Michael Hayden, the outgoing head of the CIA stated in January 2009 that the threat of a narco state in Mexico is one of the gravest dangers to American security, on a par with a nuclear-armed Iran. An assessment by the United States Joint Forces Command, published in February 2009, concluded that the two countries most at risk of becoming failed states were Pakistan and Mexico. The descent of Mexico into a failed narco state, marked by increased violence and brutality, which has already spilled over into the U.S., has enormous implications for immigration, legal and illegal. With over 13 million Mexican-born residents in the U.S. plus their U.S.-born relatives, there are strong familial ties to Mexico, which would attract Mexicans fleeing a disintegrating state seeking asylum and safety in the U.S. And the pressure on our porous, unsecured southern border would increase dramatically. Currently, the Border Patrol apprehends more than half a million people annually trying to enter the U.S. illegally from Mexico and hundreds of thousands more illegal aliens are successful in gaining entry. There is no way the U.S. could stop a tidal wave of Mexicans seeking asylum in this country and it would be even more difficult to remove them.

There has been a confluence of interests between drugs, illegal immigration, and terrorism. The systems for moving terrorists illegally across the border have become increasingly sophisticated, with Mexican drug kingpins now playing a major facilitating role using the same routes and methods to bring in illegal aliens and drugs. In view of the carnage that the 19 terrorists created on 9/11, the virtual certainty that our government has allowed substantial numbers of terrorists and their supporters to enter our country illegally is an outrage.

The fence stops the most illiterate and parasitical types. If you flew into the USA on a work or student visa, at least you have SOMETHING to offer, maybe.

Some of the 9/11 hijackers came here as students learning to fly. We cannot diminish the threat just because someone came here legally as a tourist, student, or on business. They must be tracked like they are in almost every other country. My daughter studied in Germany. She had to check in periodically with the authorities. And if she violated the terms of her visa, she would never be allowed back into Germany.

I fail to see what a pregnant 17 year old gal from Guatemala offers us. Or a 17 year old gang banger from El Salvador.

I don't want to make such distinctions. There is only one class of illegal alien. It has nothing to do with what they can offer us. Anyone who flaunts our laws doesn't deserve to be here. We bring in 1.1 million legal permanent immigrants a year, more than the rest of the world combined. In fact, it is way too many given our job needs. 21 million Americans are unemployed or underemployed.

So yes, build the fence.

The 2006 Secure Fence Act, which was passed overwhelmingly in Congress inclduing with the votes of Hillary Clinton and Obama was never fully implemented. Why? Kay Bailey Hutchinson initiated an amendment that effectively neutered it. Faced with major criticism by cities on the Texas border who complained that it made it more difficult to go back and forth for business, shopping, etc, the decision as to where and how build the fence was transferred to DHS. So no more fences in certain areas or no more double fences.

Personally, I believe there is so much money from the drug cartels, that many of our officials have been corrupted. The fence is an impediment to some of the corruption. I also firmly believe that this whole flood of "children" (80% of whom are 14 or older) has been orchestrated by the Administration and the countries of Mexico, Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala. They are working together to put pressure on Congress for amnesty. And all of these countries benefit immensely from remittances, which are a significant part of their economies. Mexico alone gets over $22 billion annually. Each year $123 billion a year goes from the US to countries around the globe from people sending money back home. That is money that is not being spent in the US.

21 posted on 08/01/2014 5:06:39 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Hojczyk

If the squishes have lost Kristol and Hewitt, they only have the Chamber of Commerce left.


22 posted on 08/01/2014 5:19:22 PM PDT by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: Hojczyk

“Double-Sided Fence”

As opposed to a fence that has only one side?


23 posted on 08/01/2014 5:21:16 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: Hojczyk

The right thing to do is put the army on the border and move it 20 miles south of where it is now. Then create a no-mans land out of it back to the US borders.


24 posted on 08/01/2014 5:24:41 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (To the left, everything must evidence that this or that strand of leftist theory is true)
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To: Hojczyk
As usual, we can look to Israel for ideas. This is a
Fence!


25 posted on 08/01/2014 5:57:15 PM PDT by upchuck (It's a shame nobama truly doesn't care about any of this. Our country, our future, he doesn't care.)
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To: Hojczyk

and land mines


26 posted on 08/01/2014 6:33:50 PM PDT by clamper1797 (I'm a Tea Party Conservative ... in my opinion that makes me "Politically Correct")
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To: All

The left’s goal here people should understand is quite simple and quite sad. The left wants to change the demographics not just to ensure a permanent democrat majority and by doing that they will have the reins in the future of our country. The left doesn’t have to put us in concentration camps or ultimately even outlaw our speech they just have change the electorate so we just don’t matter-we won’t have any electoral success by that point it will pointless. We won’t have the populace to support a second revolution or civil war we just won’t matter. It’s that simple. Personally I think we should spare compassion and aggressively deport all illegals in the end we have to if we want to survive


27 posted on 08/01/2014 6:33:55 PM PDT by Golden throne
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To: kabar

Yes we can mass deport we just need someone with the political will do to so including domestic and international opposition.


28 posted on 08/01/2014 6:33:55 PM PDT by Golden throne
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To: B4Ranch
I am quite sure that I have never seen a single-sided fence.

The Möbius fence. Only one side to it.


29 posted on 08/01/2014 7:41:06 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (The IRS: either criminally irresponsible in backup procedures or criminally responsible of coverup.)
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To: KarlInOhio

As I said, I am quite sure that I have never seen a single-sided fence. I haven’t seen a Möbius strip either. At least not that I can recall.


30 posted on 08/01/2014 9:01:08 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: Golden throne

There is no political will to do so. And the logistics would be enormous. Anyone calling for mass deportation is falling into a trap set by our enemies. Attrition thru enforcement works. We have empirical evidence.


31 posted on 08/01/2014 9:10:51 PM PDT by kabar
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