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Police Chokehold Killed Eric Garner, Medical Examiner Rules
WABC-TV NYC ^ | August 01, 2014 | Josh Einiger

Posted on 08/01/2014 9:43:30 PM PDT by bamahead

TOTTENVILLE (WABC) -- The New York Medical Examiner has ruled Eric Garner died from a chokehold used by a police officer during his arrest for selling untaxed, loose cigarettes last month, calling it a homicide.

The autopsy found that Garner, 43, died as a result of compression of neck, compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police.

Mayor Bill de Blasio released the following statement. "On behalf of all New Yorkers, I extend my deepest sympathies to the family of Eric Garner ... My administration will continue to work with all involved authorities, including the Richmond County District Attorney, to ensure a fair and justified outcome."

Contributing factors included acute and chronic bronchial asthma, obesity, and hypertensive cardiovascular disease, the medical examiner said.

"The NYPD has been informed of the preliminary findings by the Office of Chief Medical Examiner as it relates to the death of Eric Garner. We will continue to cooperate with the Richmond County District Attorney's office, which is the lead investigative entity in this case," Police Commissioner William Bratton said.

---SNIP---

The Staten Island district attorney will now determine whether to empanel a grand jury and charge officers in the death of Garner, who lived in the borough. The case is fraught with political consequences for District Attorney Daniel Donovan, a Republican whose office has a strong working relationship with the NYPD and whose constituents are overwhelmingly white and include many officers and their relatives.

If the officers aren't charged, there's fear the tensions surrounding Garner's death could dramatically increase, which is why City Hall wouldn't oppose the federal government assuming the case, according to a senior administration source who talked to the Associated Press.

(Excerpt) Read more at 7online.com ...


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1 posted on 08/01/2014 9:43:30 PM PDT by bamahead
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2 posted on 08/01/2014 9:44:49 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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3 posted on 08/01/2014 9:45:54 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: bamahead

No one even tried to give him mouth-to-mouth or chest compressions as he lay on the sidewalk, dying.

The cop callously smiled and flippantly WAVED to camera-holding by standards, the better to show concerns had left him unfazed.

I believe he was a father of four children and the police were on-scene because he had broken up a fight.

Being LARGE should not draw a death-sentence.


4 posted on 08/01/2014 9:48:32 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: bamahead

Awaiting the badgelickers to declare it was a justifiable homicide...


5 posted on 08/01/2014 9:50:18 PM PDT by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: bamahead
I'm upset with the police actions. And I also disagree with the findings as of now from the ME. I will look at the report when it comes out. His health was a large factor and having the police stand on him was obviously lethal.

The restraining choke was loosely applied and the duration and was negligible to cause such a death. Unless it crushed his throat, which it didn't from a cursory view.

Part of the cause of death would be the lack of first aid applied to the citizen. That is what really finished him off.

6 posted on 08/01/2014 9:53:08 PM PDT by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: bamahead

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7 posted on 08/01/2014 9:53:25 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: rottndog

“Awaiting the badgelickers to declare it was a justifiable homicide...”

Actually, I am somewhat surprised, usually these “matters” are swept under the rug through the artifice of a “commission.” I guess the ME didn’t get the memo.


8 posted on 08/01/2014 9:55:42 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: Theoria

Oh wow, why didn’t they just ask you what happened??!!!!


9 posted on 08/01/2014 9:56:57 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Ok, the joke's over. Bring back the Constitution.)
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To: bamahead
after viewing the video, what I can't believe is WHY so much force for a not murder not rape not kidnapping not bombing not carjacking incident...

this is the problem with the cops and all their afiliated alphabet soup groups.....they go after the stupidiest little things just to show what big men they are and this is what happens...

whatever happened to DISCRETION?...what ever happened to the law being instructive?

we had a local guy with low intelligence taken down after the wuzzy cops thought he was holding a threatening object....an empty 2L bottle of cola...he died from his treatment but thankfully after years of obstruction by the cops, the dead man had his day in court and at least one cop has in ass in prison...

10 posted on 08/01/2014 9:58:39 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Theoria

It must be bedtime. I thought that article title started: ‘Police Chucklehead ...”


11 posted on 08/01/2014 9:59:05 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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To: bamahead
selling untaxed, loose cigarettes last month,

Clearly a capital offense -

12 posted on 08/01/2014 10:00:13 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: rottndog
Some will try to defend the cops by pointing to the contributing factors. Well, guess what? Many Americans have at least one of those conditions.

The victim here was wrong to resist. But I understand why he did not cooperate immediately. And his confused resistance does not warrant a death sentence.

13 posted on 08/01/2014 10:00:16 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: VideoDoctor; FBD; Texas Songwriter; PoloSec; DoodleDawg; editor-surveyor

Thought ya might be interested in this.


14 posted on 08/01/2014 10:00:32 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: bamahead

So it was a chokehold after all, and not a heart attack as some FReepers confidently proclaimed.


15 posted on 08/01/2014 10:01:10 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: bamahead

Isn’t that the purpose of a chokehold?


16 posted on 08/01/2014 10:05:54 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: bamahead; rottndog; Leaning Right

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/3182087/posts?q=1&;page=101

Speaking of some attempting to defend killing this guy...

This above was quite an interesting thread. Also interesting it was put into chat.


17 posted on 08/01/2014 10:06:15 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: vette6387
I guess the ME didn’t get the memo.

I'm guessing the ME sees the writing on the wall...there should and probably will be an independent autopsy...and with the ubiquity of video cameras, nothing gets swept under the rug anymore.
18 posted on 08/01/2014 10:07:47 PM PDT by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: cherry

They’d call in SWAT and snipers because of an illegal lemonade stand, I wouldn’t want to be those kids.


19 posted on 08/01/2014 10:07:57 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: bamahead

...........well, looking at the situation from down here in Texas and not having all that much information it’s plain to see that what little is out there does not look good for the City of New York and one or two of those cops, nor should it, as the cops appear to have violated some of their own restraint policies. That said, what were they to do, just walk away?!

On the other hand, the victim, clearly resisted arrest and he had the kind of health problems that could have contributed to or outright caused his death. It does not appear arguable that had he not resisted arrest he would be alive today.

I’d say it is going to come down to what “community” the case is tried in. If it is tried in say Harlem. New York is bankrupt and the cops are in deep you know what cuz we al know what black juries can do in a high profile case like this.


20 posted on 08/01/2014 10:10:21 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: dragnet2

Thank you for the post. What a crying shame. One man dead at the hands of the police. Four or five police who failed to be reasonable and targeted a seemingly benign infraction. The police officers, especially the choker, committed crimes and those crimes, much more hideous than selling cigarettes, must be prosecuted in accordance with the laws of the republic. They should spend many years in prison. That will mean the families of the cops will never be normal. The family of the deceased will never be the same. It was all so unnecessary and now justice must be executed. I hate it for all involved, but the police killed him, clear and simple.


21 posted on 08/01/2014 10:12:01 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter
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To: bamahead
Chris Rock : How not to get your butt kicked by the police
22 posted on 08/01/2014 10:14:46 PM PDT by DannyTN (I)
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To: Theoria

I didn’t realize you had a chance to examine the body. You didn’t? So, you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about, then, do you? How the hell can you disagree with a medical examiner without examining anyone? What you really mean is that you presume medical examiners are guilty of fraud and cops are always innocent of any crime, even when they are the proximate cause of an innocent person’s death.


23 posted on 08/01/2014 10:24:54 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Theoria

“The restraining choke was loosely applied...”

Really?


24 posted on 08/01/2014 10:25:43 PM PDT by Rennes Templar (If Obama hated America and wanted to destroy her, what would he do differently?)
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To: dangus

Yep...

I was going to comment similar to yours, but I didn’t have the energy...You summed that up better than I could have.


25 posted on 08/01/2014 10:29:52 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Cen-Tejas
It does not appear arguable that had he not resisted arrest he would be alive today.

In a well functioning democracy submitting to an unfair arrest or being killed shouldn't be the only options. It works like that only in a dictatorship.

A democratic society would have at least one more option: to let the man call his lawyer, and wait until the lawyer arrives. It's not like any delay in taking the criminal down could result in thousands of casualties. Unfortunately, peace officers nowadays are not even trained to be maintain peace; looks like they are trained like guards for a high security prison. They are trained to always gain control of the situation - even when that is not the right thing to do. But LEOs do not know what "retreat" means. How many families would survive if both spouses only know how to push forward? If not many, then why would anyone expect this to work in the larger society?

26 posted on 08/01/2014 10:33:26 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: dangus
I, and thousands of other people roll around and choke each other everyday.

It is actually hard to kill someone with a choke. You can cause them to pass out very quickly and such. But, to kill someone requires cutting off the blood supply and oxygen to the brain for several minutes.

Mr. Garner never lost consciousness while he was being restrained from the hold. As, I said, unless the officer destroyed his trachea, the hold did not kill him. And, I said as of now, from the cursory info I've seen. I'm willing to change my opinion once I see the report.

The edited video shows Mr. Garner having verbal command and consciousness. Those two things are important. Then the video becomes even more unclear. But, yeah, I'm skeptical of the ME.

27 posted on 08/01/2014 10:36:58 PM PDT by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: rottndog

The Medical Examiner did not rule it as a justifiable homicide. People associated with law enforcement are unlikely to label it justifiable either.


28 posted on 08/01/2014 10:37:52 PM PDT by Respond Code Three (Support Free Republic lest we eventually get a Republic which is not free.)
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To: Ken H

See post 10


29 posted on 08/01/2014 10:40:48 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Ok, the joke's over. Bring back the Constitution.)
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To: bamahead

Yeah?

Well amazingly, those plicks didn’t find any untaxed cigarettes on his corpse.

Bitches.


30 posted on 08/01/2014 10:41:13 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Cen-Tejas
That said, what were they to do, just walk away?!

For a guy who was selling loose cigarettes? Maybe so.

Or, if they really felt it necessary to arrest him, maybe they could spend a few more moments and try to talk him into a peaceful surrender (after all this was not some kind of crime which threatened public safety) or maybe tase him, or pepper spray him, or, heck, throw a net over him?

For the heinous crime of selling loose cigarettes, it seems like a few things could have been attempted before resorting to excessive force.

Of course, such actions would admittedly have diluted the cops' demonstration of exactly who was boss, and deprived them of the exhilaration they surely feel when executing the forcible takedown of a resisting suspect.

31 posted on 08/01/2014 10:44:26 PM PDT by sargon
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To: Ken H

and post 27


32 posted on 08/01/2014 10:44:45 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Ok, the joke's over. Bring back the Constitution.)
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To: Theoria

“But, yeah, I’m skeptical of the ME”

Yeah, I’m skeptical of you too


33 posted on 08/01/2014 10:46:20 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (Ok, the joke's over. Bring back the Constitution.)
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To: maine-iac7

“selling untaxed, loose cigarettes last month,

Clearly a capital offense -”

..and he didn’t even get to sit on Death Row for 25 years.

I’m wondering exactly how hard the race pimps will push this. As far as I’m concerned, it’s an outrage against a citizen, not a BLACK citizen.


34 posted on 08/01/2014 10:46:26 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Theoria

“The restraining choke was loosely applied...”

Well, his head remained attached.


35 posted on 08/01/2014 10:50:23 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Vendome

“Yeah?

Well amazingly, those plicks didn’t find any untaxed cigarettes on his corpse.

Bitches.”

They aren’t allowed AFAIK to smoke on the job, hence, no drop cigarettes.


36 posted on 08/01/2014 10:53:03 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: cherry; null and void; All
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37 posted on 08/01/2014 10:54:40 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a weapon...0'Mullah / "Rustler" 0'Reid? d8-)
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To: Shimmer1

They left him in handcuffs the entire time on the video. His hands were still cuffed when they put him on the stretcher.


38 posted on 08/01/2014 10:56:14 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Texas Songwriter

No problem.


39 posted on 08/01/2014 10:57:59 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Theoria
The restraining choke was loosely applied and the duration and was negligible to cause such a death. Unless it crushed his throat, which it didn't from a cursory view.

The ME at this point isn't giving out enough information. When did Garner die? Was it sudden cardiac arrest, asphyxiation, or an asthma attack? Did his hypertensive disease cause an enlarged heart, which would have made him susceptible to ventricular fibrillation? Except for the conclusion, the ME is being vague.

40 posted on 08/01/2014 10:58:10 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: cherry

That is probably what gets me most about the case. The cops didn’t need to be in a hurry to arrest the guy. He was a low level and nonviolent criminal who was not a danger to anybody. They could have taken their sweet time building a case, if there was a case to be built, and they could have arrested him at their leisure.


41 posted on 08/01/2014 10:59:18 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Moonman62

You can see another video from the store facing out where Mr. Garner gets absolutely zero help from the paramedics once his condition spirals down. They basically have him handcuffed while he dies in front of them without any medical assistance.


42 posted on 08/01/2014 11:01:37 PM PDT by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: Theoria

How can you tell he died at that point?


43 posted on 08/01/2014 11:03:27 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: bamahead

Watch the TV show “Cops”...
Cops do act unnecessarily brutal when the offender resists.


44 posted on 08/01/2014 11:09:05 PM PDT by entropy12 (Obummer = worst & dumbest president ever, any republican would be much better.)
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To: Moonman62
I didn't say he was dead at that point. But, handcuffing someone behind their back and putting them on their side is bad for anyone. You can see on this video the lack of concern for him once he is subdued.
45 posted on 08/01/2014 11:09:14 PM PDT by Theoria (I should never have surrendered. I should have fought until I was the last man alive)
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To: bamahead

Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time

/bootlicker


46 posted on 08/01/2014 11:23:03 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: bamahead

The choke hold was applied first thing by the gung-ho cop. Eric Garner was completely taken by suprise as the cop sneaked up upon him from behind. Then he threw Eric Garner down on the ground, still holding him by the neck. Garner was in such pain that he was using his hands to stop the pain. Of course, that caused him to keep from putting his hands together for the handcuffs. The longer that happened, the longer the damage to his neck and throat. The action quickly shut down his respiratory system. Being such a large man, that shock to his system was fatal.

It is time police departments learn how to deal with the public. In this video, I saw only tight lipped cops standing around him; waiting for back-up to arrive. The back-up attacked the surprised victim like pack animals.

This was murder and, if I were on the jury pool, I would convict the cop who applied the choke hold and all of the pack animals in the attack.


47 posted on 08/01/2014 11:24:55 PM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: gaijin

This one really ticked me off.


48 posted on 08/01/2014 11:26:39 PM PDT by MarMema (Run Ted Run)
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To: Theoria

Thanks for the link. During the first couple of minutes, he appears to be conscious (he is holding his head off the ground) and as you said he is on his side. I also see the officer checking his pulse a couple of times. At 2:56 he appears to be breathing but unconscious. When the female EMT shows up she checks for a pulse. Before they put him on a stretcher she checks to see if he’s breathing by placing her hand on his abdomen. The guy taking the video asks why they aren’t doing CPR and an officer says he’s breathing as Garner is taken away on a stretcher.

I don’t get how the ME can say his prone position caused his death when he’s clearly on his side here and definitely still alive for the first couple of minutes.


49 posted on 08/01/2014 11:33:45 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: bamahead
Frankly, this was cold-blooded murder.

Hopefully, the officers will be hung after a speedy trial.

50 posted on 08/01/2014 11:33:55 PM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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