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Five Ways Russia Could Help China's Military Become Even Deadlier
The National Interest ^ | August 2, 2014 | Robert Farley

Posted on 08/01/2014 11:30:45 PM PDT by wetphoenix

The continued deterioration of relations between Russia and NATO may not yet have resulted in a new Cold War, but it’s undoubtedly produce an environment in which Russia has independent reasons to try to hurt the United States.

While the arms trade between China and Russia exploded after the fall of the Soviet Union, shipments of major systems slowed in the early part of last decade. Part of the reason was demand; China felt that it no longer needed to pay top dollar for Russian systems that it could build itself. Another reason, however, involved Russian intellectual property concerns stemming from Chinese copying, and potential export, of Russian military systems. This made Russia reluctant to export its most sophisticated weapons.

But now we find ourselves in a situation where Moscow has become willing to take risks in order to give Washington a headache. One way in which Russia can do this is overcoming any internal obstacles to the export of sophisticated weapons to China.

Although the Russian defense industry has decayed since the end of the Cold War, it still retains a great deal of expertise and human capital, which China (a growing military power) could use to good effect. What kind of systems might this involve? Here are five areas in which Russia-China collaboration could prove useful to Beijing, and problematic for America.

Jet Engines

Engine construction has been one of the biggest roadblocks in the Chinese aviation industry over the past decade. Problems with power and reliability afflict not only legacy systems (such as the J-10, J-11, and J-15), but also China’s new stealth fighter prototypes, the J-20 and the J-31.

(Excerpt) Read more at nationalinterest.org ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: armsbuildup; china; comdwar2; communists; military; redchina; russia

1 posted on 08/01/2014 11:30:45 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

This wouldn’t surprise me a bit. Putin’s eager to secure tyranny in Russia and abroad.


2 posted on 08/01/2014 11:45:55 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: wetphoenix

So if the free world submits, Russia won’t hurt us, in that case Obama is the perfect surrender monkey to suit them.


3 posted on 08/01/2014 11:52:29 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: elhombrelibre

Evidently Russia is still evil and allied with Red China, the threat reveals that nothing has changed as far as good and evil and the Russian soul.


4 posted on 08/02/2014 12:01:25 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12
I think individually Russians are not evil. They do have culturally and collectively a sort of bovine willingness to follow authoritarian leaders (Tsars and Commissars) in a way that makes one wonder how it is that they cannot understand that the rule of law is the fundamental to achieving a higher level of civil and civilized society. I oppose Obama for many of the same reasons I oppose Putin. Both of these men want unchecked power. Putin is further along in his quest. Some Putinistas don't think that his possession of unchecked power is a bad thing since they perceive him as some type of conservative.

Also, notice that if NATO doesn't approve of Putin reestablishing a militaristic Russian empire by dominating his peaceful and poor neighbors, there will be people who say it's the US and Europe's fault that he had to partner with the communist Chinese. Those who make these arguments are like those who say nothing is Obama's fault. The Republicans won't let Obama have all of his legislative goals ("emigration reform" for example), so Obama apologist argue it's not Obama's fault that he threatens to rule by fiat. Likewise, we have apologists for Putin who are making a similar argument. If you oppose Putin's criminal behavior, he cannot help but become even more of a gangster statesman. It's all sophistry. Limited government and the rule of law are conservative values that we should keep in mind.

5 posted on 08/02/2014 12:15:27 AM PDT by elhombrelibre (Against Obama. Against Putin. Pro-freedom. Pro-US Constitution.)
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To: ansel12

~Evidently Russia is still evil and allied with Red China, the threat reveals that nothing has changed as far as good and evil and the Russian soul.~

You are a hopeless idealist ansel. Foreign policy may not be conducted with terms like that in mind.


6 posted on 08/02/2014 1:18:49 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

Every time I read an article about another way Russia can make the United States less secure, I have to ask the question ‘was it worth it’ for the United States to meddle in the affairs of Ukraine.

Suppose for a minute the United States rejected the overthrow of Yanukovitch by the Maidan radicals and forced them to honor the February 21st agreement. Not only would Crimea still be in Ukraine’s hands, but the country would be well on its way to a peaceful transition of power.


7 posted on 08/02/2014 4:52:20 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck

Downward glide slopes are stable, but that doesn’t mean the destination is good.


8 posted on 08/02/2014 5:16:29 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: wetphoenix

6. support Obam&Co.


9 posted on 08/02/2014 5:24:34 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: SampleMan
Downward glide slopes are stable, but that doesn’t mean the destination is good.

Would you mind translating that into plain English yoda?

10 posted on 08/02/2014 5:24:43 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: wetphoenix

So a man in the Russian military is telling me that I am a hopeless idealist in the face of Russian aggression, in a thread that he posted telling Americans that resistance is futile, and will only be treated with more harshly.

~Evidently Russia is still evil and allied with Red China, the threat reveals that nothing has changed as far as good and evil and the Russian soul.~


11 posted on 08/02/2014 7:45:28 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12

You better focus on persons and groups who are eating your lunch right now.

None of them are Russians by the way.

Not to mention both parties in US did much more to empower Red China in the last 40 years than Russia ever could.


12 posted on 08/02/2014 7:50:01 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

The Chinese leaders are just sitting back watching the US and Russia beat each other up with glee. Then they can squash whoever comes out on top.


13 posted on 08/02/2014 7:53:23 AM PDT by McGruff (Seems like some are more interested in protecting Ukraine's border than ours.)
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To: wetphoenix

Why had I better focus on any single thing, or in any order that a Russian instructs me to, we need to deal with Russia before they become the threat to all human existence that they were just 20+ years ago, remember that your wicked nation still has nuclear weapons and as we can see from this thread, is still threatening us and still allied with the second most murderous nation, Red China, which is also on the move.

It looks like you guys suffered a set back from us defeating your empire, but that now you are determined to start enslaving again.


14 posted on 08/02/2014 8:11:51 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12

Whoops, I called Red China the second bloodiest nation on earth, that would be Russia, their teammate as a threat to the world, China, is number one.


15 posted on 08/02/2014 8:21:40 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12

Would you grab a rifle and come here, ansel? BTW, as a Russian, I am really disappointed with a recent rapprochement towards China by my government. I think China is an enemy. BTW, I am not considering America a threat, at least not militarily.


16 posted on 08/02/2014 8:49:59 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix
Would you grab a rifle and come here, ansel?

It is strange to be asked that on freerepublic, by a Russian soldier, on a thread that he just posted, threatening America if they oppose Russian aggression.

I'm past my time of personally carrying a rifle and defending the world from Russians, but yeah, I would love to be able to join my old buddies in NATO and do it again.

As one generation of freedom warriors age, a new generation of American and Europeans have to replace them, to defend the free world from Russia.

17 posted on 08/02/2014 9:20:05 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12; wetphoenix

You’re living in a time warp.

Our sons & daughters are better served going to fight for freedom on the US border than on Russia’s.


18 posted on 08/02/2014 10:00:26 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck

LOL, the front page news of Russian aggression and threat and more countries looking into joining NATO for protection from invasion, is not a “time warp”, it is the news.

History isn’t over just because Russia miscalculated and lost ground 20 years ago.

You better start paying attention to China’s new attack military and blue water Navy, especially as this threatening thread reminds you that Russia and China are in cahoots against the free world.

History ins’t over.


19 posted on 08/02/2014 10:06:24 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: mac_truck
Not only would Crimea still be in Ukraine’s hands, but the country would be well on its way to a peaceful transition of power.

All in the peaceful embrace of Russia, no doubt. Of what value is it to Ukraine to keep Crimea the same color on the map, if they don't hold onto their own sovereignty?

20 posted on 08/02/2014 1:29:09 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan
All in the peaceful embrace of Russia, no doubt.

You must not be familiar with the February 20th Agreement in which the old government of Ukraine agreed to restore the 2004 Constitution, form an interim unity government with the opposition, pass constitutional reforms rebalancing power within the branches of government, and hold early elections for both parliament and then president.

If that agreement had been adhered to, Ukraine would have already completed the constitutional reforms and democratic elections would have been scheduled for next month. All while adhering to the rule of law and upholding the constitutional order.

The agreement held no guarantee that Russian influence in Ukraine would be replaced by Europe, but it was an internationally agreed solution to the crisis which Russia would have had to abide.

21 posted on 08/02/2014 2:05:24 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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22 posted on 08/02/2014 2:05:44 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: ansel12

~As one generation of freedom warriors age, a new generation of American and Europeans have to replace them, to defend the free world from Russia~

It seems like freedom warriors are too busy looking the wrong way.
One day they would wake up a jack-booted thugs and there would be no freedom for them to fight for anymore.

BTW, I wonder what kind of regime you’d like to see in Russia to be pleased? Or maybe your hatred is existential, a kind like Palis vs Israel?


23 posted on 08/02/2014 7:28:44 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

I don’t hate anyone, and your advice for how America and NATO should not resist Russian aggression would appear less hysterically funny if you were not a Russian military man posting a threat to America, in his thread called “”Five Ways Russia Could Help China’s Military Become Even Deadlier”” (if Americans and NATO don’t allow us to conquer as we please).

So comply, or our evil empire will do more to strengthen the other evil empire that we have been teamed with to destroy America and the West for generations, and collectively have killed almost a 100 million people already.


24 posted on 08/02/2014 7:43:37 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12

You are wrong ansel. I actually came through the article on yahoo and posted it here for discussion because I find an idea of Russian-Chinese alliance and by itself is amusing. It is innatural and wrong on many levels to me.

As for the rest you wrote, you probably missed Nixon and Kissinger who actually allied US to Red China, to counter Russia in the first place. Not to mention a ‘free trade’ crap which made a weak Chicom lizard into a dragon, at the expense of US economy.


25 posted on 08/02/2014 8:00:16 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

I would love, to meat you. Got snax?


26 posted on 08/02/2014 8:02:14 PM PDT by RedHeeler
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To: wetphoenix

Actually I was serving under Nixon, in the Army, at that time.

You posted the article, and the article is yet another one of your arguments for the military that you serve, and the current situation that you signed up here for.

Taiwan, Japan, Australia, etc. would question your description of us and China being “allies”.


27 posted on 08/02/2014 8:14:36 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12

Alliance is a complex definition. Would you argue my version of why China has become a superpower these days?


28 posted on 08/02/2014 8:18:48 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

The story isn’t written yet on China, but as the thread you posted points out, they are still evil enough for Russia to ally with, as an evil team.


29 posted on 08/02/2014 8:28:49 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12

~The story isn’t written yet on China, but as the thread you posted points out, they are still evil enough for Russia to ally with, as an evil team.~

“Good” and “evil” aren’t factors of foreign policy. Russia is not unique in that.


30 posted on 08/02/2014 11:33:14 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

Good and evil are factors of foreign policy, and Russia’s has always been evil. They are not known for anything else in foreign policy.


31 posted on 08/02/2014 11:39:38 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12

Hmmm, was backing Arab Spring good or evil?


32 posted on 08/02/2014 11:42:42 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

Good and evil are factors of foreign policy, and Russia’s has always been evil. They are not known for anything else in foreign policy, nothing else at all.


33 posted on 08/02/2014 11:43:54 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12

Ok, ansel, you have an agenda and it’s useless to argue with you:)


34 posted on 08/02/2014 11:48:10 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: wetphoenix

“I” have an agenda???????

A Russian military man, living in Russia, signs up here in March to push the Russian propaganda line on Ukraine, and posts threads like this threat thread, and I am the one with an agenda?

I’m here for America and conservative politics, supporting Russia and rebuilding the evil empire isn’t on my menu.


35 posted on 08/02/2014 11:55:27 PM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: wetphoenix
you probably missed Nixon and Kissinger who actually allied US to Red China, to counter Russia in the first place. Not to mention a ‘free trade’ crap which made a weak Chicom lizard into a dragon, at the expense of US economy.

You are quite right about that WP.

36 posted on 08/03/2014 5:33:29 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: All

Meanwhile China is sitting back saying you go at it boys. You’ll make easier on us to beat the winner.


37 posted on 08/03/2014 5:42:48 AM PDT by McGruff (Seems like some are more interested in protecting Ukraine's border than ours)
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To: wetphoenix

The problem being that Russia would sell China one jet engine, one nuclear submarine, one Backfire bomber and then sit back and watch China make their own copies without paying any licensing fees.


38 posted on 08/03/2014 5:52:49 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg

~The problem being that Russia would sell China one jet engine, one nuclear submarine, one Backfire bomber and then sit back and watch China make their own copies without paying any licensing fees.~

All true, but here is a question, what makes Russia allied with China (which is it’s natural enemy) instead of America (while there are no existential reasons to restart a cold war)?


39 posted on 08/03/2014 6:13:08 AM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: mac_truck

February 18-21? Same time that at least 88 people were killed in 48 hours by uniformed snipers firing at protesters and reportedly at the police as well. The same snipers killing people on both sides. Instigating more violence? Who do you think was behind that?

Feb. 22, Yanukovych seeks Russian help in crushing Ukrainians.

Feb.27, Russians start seizing Crimea.

So you fault the Ukrainians for not trusting Yanukovych.


40 posted on 08/03/2014 8:43:47 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan
Lets be clear..the sniper shooting took place on Feb 18th...the agreement signed on Feb. 20th included a section calling for an international investigation under the auspices of the Council of Europe. Four months later...the regime in Kiev has been accused by the sniper victim's families of obstructing the investigation into that shooting.

This regime has also been called out by the UN Human Rights Council for obstructing the investigation into the burning deaths of 20 protesters in Odessa in May.

Now we have the M17 tragedy, and once again the regime in Kiev is obstructing the investigation. At what point do you stop and wonder what it is exactly they're hiding?

41 posted on 08/03/2014 9:54:46 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck

Kiev is obstructing?? Is all of your news sourced from the Kremlin?


42 posted on 08/03/2014 1:59:14 PM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan; All
From the Executive Summary of the June 15th report filed by the United Nations Human Rights Commission.

12. The investigations under the Office of the Prosecutor General into the Maidan events continued. On 28 May, a Kyiv court sentenced two police officers who subjected a Maidan demonstrator to ill-treatment. On 15 May, relatives of those killed on Maidan, dissatisfied with the perceived slowness of the official investigation, created an initiative group to conduct their own investigation. The HRMMU remains in regular contact with the Office of the Prosecutor General and emphasizes the need for the investigation to be transparent, comprehensive and timely.

13. With respect to the incidents that took place in Odesa on 2 May, it should be noted that six official investigations have been established. The main bodies undertaking such investigations are the Ministry of Interior (MoI) and the State Security Service in Ukraine (SBU). It is with regret that the HRMMU reports a lack of cooperation from both governmental bodies, particularly at the central level with the HRMMU, which has been preventing the HRMMU from conducting a proper assessment of the progress

When are the Kerry-hawks going to get it through their thick heads that the new regime in Kiev is just as corrupt and incompetent as the old regime...and the one before that, and the one before that, etc.?

43 posted on 08/03/2014 7:09:14 PM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck

That’s the same UN that is storing rockets for Hamas, right?


44 posted on 08/04/2014 3:28:31 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: SampleMan

Its the same UN to which the puppet fascists in Kiev brought their criminal complaint against the old regime in the first place and asked them to investigate.

Now they’re obstructing the investigation. Go figure...


45 posted on 08/05/2014 5:47:52 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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