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Hollywood Plays Around With Virginity
Townhall.com ^ | August 2, 2014 | Brent Bozell

Posted on 08/02/2014 4:45:29 AM PDT by Kaslin

Back in the 1950s, C.S. Lewis saw chastity as under attack with "all the contemporary propaganda for lust that makes people "feel that the desires we are resisting are so 'natural,' so 'healthy,' and so reasonable, that it is almost perverse and abnormal to resist them."

You can now safely delete the word "almost."

Today virginity isn't a virtue but a burden. Chastity is a freak show and anyone who chooses to keep it is a carnival barker. In today's entertainment world, weirdos -- especially sexual weirdos -- drive a juicy plot, so virgins are in vogue, as a target or merely as an anthropological curiosity.

MTV has a new reality show called "Virgin Territory" where four young participants explain their "very tumultuous journey" in the "tricky world of virginity." MTV sells it as pathos: "Whether they're trying to lose their V-cards or keep them safely tucked in their pockets for as long as possible, being pure is really starting to grate on them."

MTV's Executive Vice President of Series Development Lauren Dolgen tried to make this sound like a public service. Because of a partnership with The National Campaign to Prevent Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy, she claimed, "MTV will continue this tradition by elevating the discussion of responsible sexual health to include the topic of virginity in a way that our audience might find surprising."

Translation: MTV's challenge is to find "a way" to introduce the virtue of virginity without projecting its virtue.

As TV critic Willa Paskin at Slate.com explained, the show "tries to get into psychological explanations for all of this unwanted virginity, because like the participants' friends, MTV thinks it's weird." Variety TV critic Brian Lowry nailed it on the head. "Some networks will pimp kids out -- under cover of sex education -- to score ratings."

Then there's the new film "Very Good Girls" in which two college-bound Brooklyn, New York, girls resolve to lose their virginity over the summer, but both target the same boy who vends ice cream at the beach. It's not a teen sex comedy; it's meant to be more profound. "When we lose our innocence, we have to find ourselves," announced the trailer.

Susan Wloszczyna at RogerEbert.com wasn't impressed. "(They) decide to relieve themselves of the burden that is their virginity," she wrote. To celebrate their decision, they strip down and run stark naked on a crowded public beach before leaping into the water." She called the film "a very bad excuse" to see the former child actress Dakota Fanning "flash her bare fanny, fondle herself provocatively and cavort in her underwear for no dramatic purpose." Director Naomi Foner Gyllenhaal described these two characters revolting against their virginity as "serious, interesting, committed girls about how they become women." She said this movie is rare, because women "don't often see themselves with any reality on screen."

There it is again. "Reality" is defined by Hollywood's sexual-liberation ethos. Women who decide to retain their virginity are somehow not "real" women and certainly can't expect to see their "reality on screen." The "contemporary propaganda for lust" just never stops coming.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: chastity; moralabsolutes; mtv; virginity
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1 posted on 08/02/2014 4:45:29 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
I don't have a problem with portrayal of sex in film. Virginity/chastity are NOT natural states. What I have a problem with is the portrayal of both men AND women hooking up with absolute LOSERS who don't know what they are doing! Some serious reform of sex education and an attitude adjustment regarding sex is needed. Both the 'if it feels good, do it' and the 'abstinence only' crowds must be rejected. Yes, sex is great. But it is NOTHING to fool around with. Kind of like firearms.
2 posted on 08/02/2014 5:01:28 AM PDT by Kodos the Executioner (.. the revolution is successful, but survival depends upon drastic measures..")
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To: Kaslin

God’s plan for sex is the best. Anything outside of His plan will bring problems, heartache and misery.


3 posted on 08/02/2014 5:19:31 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Kaslin

“(They) decide to relieve themselves of the burden that is their virginity,” she wrote. To celebrate their decision, they strip down and run stark naked on a crowded public beach before leaping into the water.”

So, to celebrate their impending absolute proof of heterosexuality two girls then get naked together...okiedoke...


4 posted on 08/02/2014 5:21:09 AM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: Kaslin; Mrs. Don-o

The natural states of healthy human beings, male or female, are “virgins” or “parents.” When people try to act is if it’s otherwise, things go wrong.


5 posted on 08/02/2014 5:29:40 AM PDT by Tax-chick (No power in the 'verse can stop me.)
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To: Kaslin

This Fall CW http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_the_Virgin Set in Miami, the series will detail the surprising and unforeseen events that take place in the life of Jane Villanueva, a hard-working, religious young Latina woman whose family tradition and a vow to save her virginity until her marriage to a detective is shattered when a doctor accidentally artificially inseminates her by mistake during a checkup. And to make matters worse, the biological donor is a married man, a former playboy and cancer survivor who is not only the new owner of the hotel where Jane works, but was also her former teenage crush.


6 posted on 08/02/2014 5:41:50 AM PDT by SMGFan (Sarah Michelle Gellar is now on twitter @RealSMG)
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To: Kodos the Executioner
Virginity/chastity are NOT natural states.

Lifelong virginity can be a special calling from God. However, it is intended to be the "natural state" of all the unmarried. EVERYONE is called to be chaste. EVERYONE.

Attitudes encouraged in the 1960s and advances in artificial contraception changed some people's views on this.

But what is "natural" is not defined by the tremendous "enlightenment" of the past fifty years.

Don't let the common culture degrade your dignity.

7 posted on 08/02/2014 5:54:11 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: Kodos the Executioner

Virginity is THE natural state, you know, the one nature gave you when you were born.It is meant to drive the formation of family and procreation for strong and stable society. Only self-centered decisions and actions change it with the aid of affordable technology. Unfortunately, the majority of ‘free love’ decisions made in this country in the last 40 years have been stupid and significantly damaged our country and its culture.


8 posted on 08/02/2014 6:07:31 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth
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9 posted on 08/02/2014 6:17:00 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Kodos the Executioner

Virginity isn’t a natural state? Who gave you your medical degree?


10 posted on 08/02/2014 6:43:11 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: miss marmelstein

Name one other animal that engages in voluntary, enforced abstinence from the reproductive act. Environmental circumstances can affect when animals breed.

And there lies the rub. We are SUPPOSED to be better than the base animals.


11 posted on 08/02/2014 7:18:18 AM PDT by Kodos the Executioner (.. the revolution is successful, but survival depends upon drastic measures..")
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To: Kodos the Executioner

Women are born with hymens, in case you didn’t know. They are born in a state of virginity. That’s biology 101.

And human nature, Charlie, is what we are born to rise above.


12 posted on 08/02/2014 7:40:14 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Kaslin

Since virgins started being thought of as freaks, has the world gotten better because of it? All the abortions, illegitimacy, single moms raising kids with all kinds of problems, mindless hookups, shackups, divorce, etc., etc. We used to have courting. We used to have kids raised by a mom and a dad. We used to have men who defended women’s virtue. By giving away sex so easily, women have lost all of their leverage.

Not that things were ever perfect, but I do think things were better back when virginity was more prized.


13 posted on 08/02/2014 7:52:24 AM PDT by Nea Wood (When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination.-Sowell)
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To: Nea Wood

bump


14 posted on 08/02/2014 7:54:03 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: miss marmelstein

Yeah, who?


15 posted on 08/02/2014 7:55:50 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

Who what?

I’m getting all these cryptic messages lately...


16 posted on 08/02/2014 8:00:30 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: miss marmelstein; Kodos the Executioner
Women are born with hymens, in case you didn’t know. They are born in a state of virginity. That’s biology 101.

The poster with a imaginary medical degree can't know everything. *snicker*

17 posted on 08/02/2014 8:02:00 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

We hear it all on FR, don’t we?


18 posted on 08/02/2014 8:04:01 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: miss marmelstein

We sure do.


19 posted on 08/02/2014 8:10:21 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

On a related note - the X-Men movies are all about “accepting” perversion.


20 posted on 08/02/2014 8:38:28 AM PDT by stinkerpot65 (Global warming is a Marxist lie.)
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To: johniegrad

desired state from a Christianity perspective? yes ...that is what God wants. But man is in a fallen state. So I would state it a bit differently. Our natural state on this earth is sin. Let’s get real here ... Only through the power of God can a single adult designed by God to want and have sex live a chase life which is not natural but supernatural.


21 posted on 08/02/2014 8:40:22 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: Kaslin

Well, you know how difficult it is for women, so in the 1950’s and ‘60’s. Feminists complained that women were regarded as sex objects. Then they decided to reject Christianity and embraced the Hugh Hefner attitude towards sex, and voila!!! Women are reduced to hot dates, one-night-stands, breast enhancement surgeries, abortions on demand, etc..

And the so-called liberal feminists rejoice that women are now all behaving like prostitutes - but the problem is they get no money for it, so they are in poverty.

No more are women sex objects, but reduced to white slavery.


22 posted on 08/02/2014 8:44:14 AM PDT by Gumdrop (~)
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To: Kodos the Executioner

Well yeah, virginity is a natural state. It’s the state everyone is born into, and which we remain in until marriage. That’s the way it is in what I like to call civilization.


23 posted on 08/02/2014 9:24:23 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (What unites us all, of any race, gender, or religion, is that we all believe we are above average.)
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To: Kodos the Executioner
First, what does "voluntary, enforced" mean? One would think it would be either the one or the other.

Second, when I speak of "natural," I'm speaking of human nature, which is to say, a rational nature. Humans don't lean "natural" from wildlife; at least, not entirely, when applied to ourselves.

24 posted on 08/02/2014 9:45:15 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (What unites us all, of any race, gender, or religion, is that we all believe we are above average.)
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To: Kaslin

Yep, it WAY easier to get STDs, worry about pregnancy, and sneak around. Sure.


25 posted on 08/02/2014 9:57:34 AM PDT by vpintheak (I will not comply!)
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To: Kodos the Executioner; Patton@Bastogne; Oldeconomybuyer; RightField; aposiopetic; rbmillerjr; ...

In the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled Hollywood Plays Around With Virginity, Kodos the Executioner wrote:

Virginity/chastity are NOT natural states.

A fascinating point of view, and quite common. Wrong of course, but very common.

Do tell “Kodos”, what leads you to the conclusion that, “Virginity/chastity are NOT natural states.”?


26 posted on 08/02/2014 10:06:03 AM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: Gumdrop

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27 posted on 08/02/2014 10:10:49 AM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: stinkerpot65

“On a related note - the X-Men movies are all about “accepting” perversion”

Let’s not forget about homosexual “marriage”.

And coming to a theater near you Valentine’s Day 2015 perversion will be all the rage. Instead of getting his wife/girlfiend a box of candy or flowers, they go and watch an S&M porn flick, then stop by the local Adult “Toy” store for some whips,ropes, chains, blind folds, handcuffs and any other Marquis de Sade “help” aids to show his wife/girlfriend just how much he really “loves” her.


28 posted on 08/02/2014 5:09:19 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: narses; miss marmelstein; Kaslin; Mrs. Don-o

You seem more interested in snickering up your sleeves and pointing your fingers at the “godless” heathen who doesn’t share your church-approved, oh-so-enlightened take on sex.

So let me try to rephrase this in a way even the more hoity-toity among you can grasp.

Going without sex is freakish and unnatural.

Sex is good. Sex is fun. We are going to do it.

We are guided by our instincts, tempered by our upbringing and our values. That said, sex is one of our most base instincts.

And as for you, “miss marmelstein”, there are plenty of girls born WITHOUT a hymen, or it is broken by regular physical activity that has NOTHING to do with sex. You seem to share the attitude voiced by some in the more extremist Muslim countries. Who needs the refresher in Medical 101, hmm?

This article was supposed to be about our attitudes regarding sex being shaped by the weirdo perverts in HollyWEIRD. How about you get back on topic instead of trying to ding me? You’re wasting your time.


29 posted on 08/03/2014 8:24:58 AM PDT by Kodos the Executioner (.. the revolution is successful, but survival depends upon drastic measures..")
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To: Kodos the Executioner

Um...it looks like I hurt your feelings.


30 posted on 08/03/2014 9:19:25 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Kodos the Executioner

Contempt. Not conducive to good conversation.


31 posted on 08/03/2014 10:00:06 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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To: Kodos the Executioner; x_plus_one; Patton@Bastogne; Oldeconomybuyer; RightField; aposiopetic; ...
In the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled Hollywood Plays Around With Virginity, Kodos the Executioner wrote:
Going without sex is freakish and unnatural.
According to whom? What authority makes that claim? And what limits do you or that authority posit? Do you accept age limits? Time limits? Limits of contract or agreement? Societal limits? Violence? Do tell, or great arbiter of sex, do tell!
32 posted on 08/03/2014 10:14:39 AM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: Tax-chick
In the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled Hollywood Plays Around With Virginity, Tax-chick wrote:
The natural states of healthy human beings, male or female, are “virgins” or “parents.” When people try to act is if it’s otherwise, things go wrong.
Precisely ma'am. As for the authority behind that, see either the Christian orthodox view of same, or for the heathens/pagans and others here, observe Natural Law and the results of denying same versus the results of not.
33 posted on 08/03/2014 10:18:10 AM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: miss marmelstein

“Um...it looks like I hurt your feelings.”

Nope! I don’t get emotionally invested in internet postings.

I save my emotions for more important things.

Like sex.


34 posted on 08/03/2014 11:35:24 AM PDT by Kodos the Executioner (.. the revolution is successful, but survival depends upon drastic measures..")
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To: Kodos the Executioner

Are you for real?


35 posted on 08/03/2014 11:38:39 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kodos the Executioner

Can you please leave your sex life out of this, newbie? It’s creepy.


36 posted on 08/03/2014 11:39:21 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard Lives Yet!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

“Contempt. Not conducive to good conversation.”

I totally agree. I sense a lot of that here.

What these good folks seem to not realize is I’M ON YOUR SIDE!!!

The church’s teachings are a great guide in helping us to decide when & how to engage in such an intimate realationship. But I’m talking about concepts that pre-date organized religion. I know; some folks think that before the church, God hadn’t created anything, yet. If that’s your thing, okay!

It comes down to PEOPLE!

The most sexual part of your body is NOT between your legs!
It’s between your ears.
And if you can involve the part nestled in your chest, between your lungs... there is NOTHING better.


37 posted on 08/03/2014 11:50:10 AM PDT by Kodos the Executioner (.. the revolution is successful, but survival depends upon drastic measures..")
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To: narses

Are you OK?


38 posted on 08/03/2014 11:53:00 AM PDT by Kodos the Executioner (.. the revolution is successful, but survival depends upon drastic measures..")
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To: narses

One really only needs basic biology to reach my conclusion. Human beings are born virgins and remain virgins until they have sex. Once they have sex - if they do it in a natural way - they will quickly become parents, if they are healthy.


39 posted on 08/03/2014 1:54:54 PM PDT by Tax-chick (No power in the 'verse can stop me.)
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To: Kodos the Executioner

So, unable to answer? Why?


40 posted on 08/03/2014 2:17:08 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: SMGFan
a doctor accidentally artificially inseminates her

Now I have heard of "poetic license" but this is ridiculous. How in the hell can you "accidentally" inseminate. Can someone explain that to me.

41 posted on 08/03/2014 2:39:42 PM PDT by mc5cents ("Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God." - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: mc5cents

case of mistaken identity.


42 posted on 08/03/2014 2:42:51 PM PDT by SMGFan (Sarah Michelle Gellar is now on twitter @RealSMG)
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To: mc5cents

Unwashed hands or instruments? The erroneous transmission of a sperm could be explained in several grossly unsanitary ways.


43 posted on 08/03/2014 2:44:51 PM PDT by Tax-chick (No power in the 'verse can stop me.)
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To: Kodos the Executioner
But I’m talking about concepts that pre-date organized religion.

When was that?

44 posted on 08/03/2014 2:48:59 PM PDT by mc5cents ("Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God." - Thomas Jefferson)
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But I’m talking about concepts that pre-date organized religion.

When was that?

Good question. Organized religion features in our oldest historical knowledge of human beings - that is, in ancient Egypt.

All societies, even contemporary hunter-gatherers, have controls on sexuality, because the society benefits when both childbearing and intense personal relationships are kept within bounds. Even men who don't "love" or care about a woman in a personal way care about ownership of a sexual service provider, or just ownership itself.

In many cultural traditions, we find instances of chosen sexual continence for adult men or women. Sometimes it's to avoid parenthood; other times it has a religious significance.

45 posted on 08/03/2014 2:59:44 PM PDT by Tax-chick (No power in the 'verse can stop me.)
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To: narses

And yet somehow, I managed to get through the first decade or so of my life without even thinking about it, much less having it.


46 posted on 08/03/2014 3:36:16 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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47 posted on 08/04/2014 5:31:22 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Kodos the Executioner; narses; miss marmelstein; Kaslin; Mrs. Don-o; Morgana; Responsibility2nd; ...
You seem more interested in snickering up your sleeves and pointing your fingers at the “godless” heathen who doesn’t share your church-approved, oh-so-enlightened take on sex.

It's not just the Catholic Church, ALL true/U> Christians and Jews recognize that sex outside of wedlock is sinful and wrong.

Going without sex is freakish and unnatural.

Prior to a couple generations ago, waiting until marriage had been the norm (e.g. natural state) for six thousand years.

Sex is good. Sex is fun. We are going to do it.

So troll, at what age do you suggest children first engage in sexual intercourse?

We are guided by our instincts, tempered by our upbringing and our values. That said, sex is one of our most base instincts.

Yes, and YOUR SUGGESTION that we discard six thousand years of Judeo-Christian values is the problem.

And as for you, “miss marmelstein”, there are plenty of girls born WITHOUT a hymen, or it is broken by regular physical activity that has NOTHING to do with sex. You seem to share the attitude voiced by some in the more extremist Muslim countries.

Now troll, I realize that you've only been on FR for a few months (if this is your first time), but I've noticed that many trolls compare Christians to the Taliban, jihadists or something similar just before they are zotted.

This article was supposed to be about our attitudes regarding sex being shaped by the weirdo perverts in HollyWEIRD. How about you get back on topic instead of trying to ding me?

However, YOU share Hollywood's agenda.

48 posted on 08/04/2014 5:42:07 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Kodos the Executioner
Going without sex is freakish and unnatural.

Disease and abortion are natural? They are a consequence of making sex the all American past time.

Lack of self control is a liberal trait.

49 posted on 08/04/2014 5:48:44 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Kodos the Executioner

IBTZ


50 posted on 08/04/2014 6:02:45 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds)
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