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MH17 Missile Can't Hide From These Internet Sleuths
The Daily Beast ^ | August 2, 2014 | Eliot Higgins

Posted on 08/02/2014 7:02:07 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

Over the last two weeks I’ve documented the various open source information that has revealed key pieces of information about the Buk Missile Launcher linked to the downing of flight MH17.

Now, using that information, I believe it’s possible to construct a timeline of events on the ground in Ukraine on July 17th that can be evidenced using a variety of open source information.

To begin with, lets review the photographs and videos of the Buk Missile Launcher which appear to have been taken on the day of the attack, in chronological order. All times are approximate....

The photograph was in fact taken in the town of Donetsk, and based off the shadows visible in the photograph, it was taken some time in the morning, roughly 9am.

We also learnt from this image that the truck belonged to a rental company in the city of Donetsk, with the owner of the truck, contacted by Paris Match, claiming the truck had been stolen by pro-Russian rebels.....

Based on the above information alone it seems impossible to deny that the rebels were transporting a Buk Missile Launcher through the region on the same day as the downing of flight MH17.

It also demonstrates the Buk was transported from Donestsk, through Torez, while still on the transporter. As yet there’s no images showing the Buk on the transporter in Snizhne, but based on the apparent destination of the Buk spotted in Torez is seems reasonable to believe it was the same missile launcher....

Finally, we know a Buk missile launcher, minus at least one missile, and the netting seen in other locations pre-launch, was spotted in the rebel held town of Luhansk, and it seems reasonable to assume this was after the downing of MH17....

(Excerpt) Read more at thedailybeast.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: mh17; ukraine

1 posted on 08/02/2014 7:02:07 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Nice try but you have to question the sources and timeline of the evidence you are using.


2 posted on 08/02/2014 7:05:43 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Forgive but don't forget)
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To: Uncle Chip
I believe it’s possible...using a variety of open source information...All times are approximate...based off the shadows visible... claiming the truck had been stolen ...Based on the above information alone it seems impossible to deny...based on the apparent destination...seems reasonable to believe... it seems reasonable to assume


3 posted on 08/02/2014 7:19:16 AM PDT by McGruff (Seems like some are more interested in protecting Ukraine's border than ours.)
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To: darkwing104

OK, who do you think did it?

CC


4 posted on 08/02/2014 7:19:55 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: darkwing104

It seems to fit the sources and timeline that the author is not using.


5 posted on 08/02/2014 7:20:42 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: McGruff

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17: Did This Russian Soldier Help Shoot Down Plane?

http://www.inquisitr.com/1385803/malaysia-airlines-flight-mh17-russian-soldier/


6 posted on 08/02/2014 7:28:00 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Celtic Conservative

I think that the Russian media has definitely stated that it was a gay, junta loving right sector Nazi riding a pink unicorn that strafed MH17 while Carlos the phantom Spanish controller illegally working at the Kyiv airport was being hustled into a fascist Ukrainian prison. How can you be so naïve to believe otherwise?


7 posted on 08/02/2014 7:34:06 AM PDT by Agog
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To: Celtic Conservative
Often the simplest solutions are the most correct. What most people don't understand how ground air defense system works.

Many members of the Pro-Russian separatists were members of the Ukrainian military. They probably had a few deserters who were trained on the Buk systems and was using them to provide anti aircraft protection against the Ukrainian Air Force.

They were in an area that have been attacked by air for about a week. With no long range air defense tracking from Kiev or Moscow the crew would have to assume that any aircraft picked up on their radar was hostile. MH17 was passing through that airspace. Without any indication that it may of been a civil aircraft they assumed it was Ukrainian transport, bomber or recon and shot it down.

The buk crew relocated to either rearm or move to avoid any retaliatory artillery fire. No one knew that the bird was a civil airliner till later, after it crashed.

When it comes to reporting from war zones I doubt all sources reported by a biased media.


8 posted on 08/02/2014 7:34:47 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Forgive but don't forget)
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To: Uncle Chip

Maybe this guy can answer some of Russia questions.

http://rt.com/news/174496-malaysia-crash-russia-questions/

Nobody else seems to be.


9 posted on 08/02/2014 7:36:17 AM PDT by McGruff (Seems like some are more interested in protecting Ukraine's border than ours.)
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To: darkwing104

The link at post #6 is for you —


10 posted on 08/02/2014 7:37:10 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: McGruff

You seem to be addicted to Russia Today —

What??? no other sources your boss will trust you with???


11 posted on 08/02/2014 7:39:14 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: McGruff

Thank you Mr. McGruff for posting that valuable information from RT. Without access to official state sponsored Russian media sources, the true story of how MH 17 was shot down would never come out. Who could be so foolish to believe that Russian fighters in Ukraine mistakenly shot down a passenger airliner thinking it was a Ukrainian military transport plane. The very idea is absurd.

Thank you again for your valuable service to FR, and indeed to our nation, for pointing out how everyone else is wrong about MH17, but Russian, and you and your friends here on FR are right.


12 posted on 08/02/2014 7:39:50 AM PDT by Agog
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To: Uncle Chip

Yup. Looks guilty to me. Or drunk.

13 posted on 08/02/2014 7:40:19 AM PDT by McGruff (Seems like some are more interested in protecting Ukraine's border than ours.)
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To: McGruff

This is the type of guy to whom Putin has entrusted advanced military hardware.


14 posted on 08/02/2014 7:42:06 AM PDT by Agog
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To: Uncle Chip

Russians are retarded, but at least they do cling to winning WWII while we get Germans to run the US Army...


15 posted on 08/02/2014 7:42:44 AM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: McGruff
Why bother with RT's questions? Go straight to the source: Igor Girkin says dead bodies aren't "fresh."

No one has sufficiently answered the question why MH17 was loaded with corpses.

16 posted on 08/02/2014 7:42:50 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: darkwing104
With no long range air defense tracking from Kiev or Moscow the crew would have to assume that any aircraft picked up on their radar was hostile.

But they did have a tracker --

And the tracker spotted the plane and when asked to identify it said that it was TOO HIGH to identify way up behind the clouds.

Now what flies along that commercial flightpath at an altitude TOO HIGH to identify???

17 posted on 08/02/2014 7:44:22 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Far too often in the fog of war the truth is the first victim. In this situation both Russian and Ukrainian hands are dirty. Neither side is defendable.

I just feel sorry for the victims and their families


18 posted on 08/02/2014 7:44:46 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Forgive but don't forget)
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To: darkwing104

This is not about any fog of war, although all the false stories, theories and explanations coming out of Russia are all about creating confusion. What happened to MH17 is clear: Russian fighters in Ukraine shot it down with a BUK missile supplied by Russia. End of story.


19 posted on 08/02/2014 7:48:13 AM PDT by Agog
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To: Uncle Chip
We also learnt

Learnt?

Now I have to go back, start over, and re-read the entire article with a Cockney accent.

20 posted on 08/02/2014 7:48:59 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: 1rudeboy
The rebel commander blamed for shooting down flight MH17 has made bizarre claims that bodies at the crash site ‘aren't fresh’.

Pro-Russian separatist Igor Girkin has claimed corpses near the debris died days before the plane took off.

According to rebel website Russkaya Vesna, the leader was told by people at the scene in eastern Ukraine that ‘a significant number of the bodies were drained of blood and reeked of decomposition.’

Girkin, also known as Strelkov and allegedly a former Russian intelligence agent, also suggested that a large amount of blood serum and medications were found in the wreckage.

The information has not been confirmed but the commander said: ‘Ukrainian authorities are capable of any baseness.’

I'll agree that is crazy talk but can't find that rebel website Russkaya Vesna. Do you have a link? I'm sure it reputable just want to verify.

21 posted on 08/02/2014 7:51:12 AM PDT by McGruff (Seems like some are more interested in protecting Ukraine's border than ours.)
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To: McGruff

Simple, just dial up one of your separatist commander buddies. It’s still reasonably early there, they should still be sober.


22 posted on 08/02/2014 7:53:11 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Uncle Chip
But they did have a tracker

What kind of equipment was the was the tracker using? Binoculars? When I mention tracking it would be from an Air Traffic control system with IFF capability. The buk does have IFF capability but with knowing what MH17'smode 3 code was. The crew just screwed up and shot down an innocent airliner.

Sometimes we just have to drop the conspiracy crap and just admit somebody just screwed up. People got killed because of it and should they be held accountable.


23 posted on 08/02/2014 7:54:53 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Forgive but don't forget)
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To: 1rudeboy

Resorting to personal attacks already.


24 posted on 08/02/2014 7:56:44 AM PDT by McGruff (Seems like some are more interested in protecting Ukraine's border than ours.)
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To: McGruff

But no, you are not trolling via your tagline. Not at all.


25 posted on 08/02/2014 7:58:36 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: darkwing104

I’m sure they were binoculars but they were the same binoculars probably in the same hands that were used earlier in the week to identify a military transport flying at its ceiling height of 21,000 ft.

When the same binoculars successfully identify a plane flying at its ceiling of 21,000ft earlier in the week can’t identify another plane later because it is flying way above that ceiling along an international flight path, then a competent commander with even a miniscule regard for innocent lives would hold his fire.


26 posted on 08/02/2014 8:06:14 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: McGruff
McGruff (Seems like some are more interested in protecting Ukraine's border than ours.)

You've been MIA on all those border security threads because you no more want to protect the US/Mexico border from invasion than you do the Ukrainian/Russian border from invasion.

27 posted on 08/02/2014 8:11:13 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

Everybody’s posting history is out there. Yours included.


28 posted on 08/02/2014 8:14:31 AM PDT by McGruff (If I offended you it was intentional. :))
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To: McGruff

Judging by the way the pro-Russia people post Putin headshots, it does seem to be an attraction for him personally, a cult of strong man worship.


29 posted on 08/02/2014 8:34:34 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: ansel12
You gotta admit some of them are pretty funny.

Wish I had such Photoshop skills.

30 posted on 08/02/2014 8:42:49 AM PDT by McGruff (If I offended you it was intentional. :))
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To: ansel12

Truth is, when you think about it, that should tell you something.


31 posted on 08/02/2014 8:44:33 AM PDT by dforest
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To: McGruff

Gay is the word I think of when I see the image projecting that Putin does.

Look at the image you chose for him, a pose of him shirtless, one of his most common poses for him.


32 posted on 08/02/2014 9:12:26 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: McGruff; dforest
Here is a look at the true Putin without any photoshop, when you see him posing with horses alone, you may not notice what you are actually seeing, but when you see these two photos and realize that Putin merely sits on the safe, calm horses, it brings home how Obama like he really is. Putin and Obama are both effeminate, but Putin falls all over himself trying to hide it and his desperate theatrics, fake heroism, and action shots to appear manly, makes him the most gay of all between the two.

Here is a real man, and a real horseman.
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Here is a man that looks uncomfortable on a horse, and a world leader that for some reason is shirtless, and if you notice, all of his horse pictures look like he is walking a overly medicated horse that they gave him from the kiddie stable.
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33 posted on 08/02/2014 9:35:30 AM PDT by ansel12 (LEGAL immigrants, 30 million 1980-2012, continues to remake the nation's electorate for democrats)
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To: 1rudeboy; McGruff
No one has sufficiently answered the question why MH17 was loaded with corpses.

Those corpses were the bodies from flight MH370.

34 posted on 08/02/2014 9:49:47 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: ansel12
I don't understand some of yours focus on manhood. Is this obscene?

This is my last comment on this subject. What was the topic again?

35 posted on 08/02/2014 9:49:48 AM PDT by McGruff (If I offended you it was intentional.)
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To: Uncle Chip

“Now what flies along that commercial flightpath at an altitude TOO HIGH to identify???”

IL-76’s,L-39’s,SU-27’s, Mig-29’s, AN-70’s and TU-134’s, all of which are currently in the UK inventory.


36 posted on 08/02/2014 10:02:06 AM PDT by tcrlaf (Q)
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To: McGruff; ansel12

I will say this, makes no difference to me who acts manly and who does not. I would never lower myself to believe a damn thing that comes out of Obama’s mouth or out of his admin. He is a proven liar, deceiver, manipulator who has no moral compass whatsoever. The end justifies the means to this bunch. He and his counterparts are fully capable of setting people up. The gullible buy his crap. Fine, feel free to do so. I really do not care.

Does that mean Putin is a choirboy? Nope, but both are capable of this airline crash. Sad to say that I don’t believe Putin is more capable or more with reason to do so than Obama is. In fact, this is another Alinsky type attack. Obama does it constantly, even to other bad guys.

This is happening as we speak with Israel. If you can’t see it, well whoever you are, is a dope.


37 posted on 08/02/2014 10:04:51 AM PDT by dforest
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To: tcrlaf

Lufthansas, Singapore Aire, India Air, KAL, ...


39 posted on 08/02/2014 11:19:43 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: McGruff

Using a truck stolen from a rental company to transport the stolen Ukrainian BUK missile launcher through town in broad daylight without a tarp to cover up the missing missiles was a nice bit of added misdirection by the Russians.

Good thing that clever CIA asset was there to snap those photos or they might have gotten away with it...


40 posted on 08/03/2014 4:49:25 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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Compare that to this:

What happened? The day Flight 17 was downed

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3185603/posts


41 posted on 08/03/2014 5:44:08 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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