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China factory explosion kills scores [makes parts for GM]
theguardian.com ^ | Saturday 2 August 2014 20.33 AEST

Posted on 08/02/2014 9:08:10 AM PDT by DeaconBenjamin

An explosion at a factory in China has killed at least 65 people, according to Chinese state media.

Another 150 people were injured in the blast on Saturday morning in Kunshan, a city in the eastern province of Jiangsu near Shanghai.

Workers in the factory were producing parts for cars for US companies including General Motors, state media said.

"We heard the explosion and we were all shocked," a security guard from a nearby factory told Agence France-Presse. He said the blast happened as workers were changing shifts, resulting in higher casualties.

Forty people died at the scene, and more than 20 others died in hospital, Chinese broadcasters said. Medical staff were sent from Shanghai to treat burns victims, according to the People's Daily.

Preliminary investigations suggest that the blast was caused by dust produced as workers polished metal meeting with high temperatures or an open flame, China's ministry of public security said.

"The scene is a mess, it's unrecognisable," a witness at the scene wrote on Sina Weibo, a Chinese equivalent of Twitter.

Chinese state television identified the factory as Zhongrong Plating. Company officials could not be reached for a comment. Its website says it employs 450 workers and counts General Motors and other US companies as clients. No one at General Motors in China was immediately available for comment.

Jiangsu province is on China's coast, where many local and foreign companies have facilities producing goods for export.

Industrial accidents are common in China, where safety standards are often lax. A fire at a poultry plant in the north-east of the country killed 119 people last year. Reports at the time said managers had locked doors inside the factory to prevent workers from going to the toilet, leading to the high death toll.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: chinaexplosion; chinafactory; gm

1 posted on 08/02/2014 9:08:10 AM PDT by DeaconBenjamin
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To: DeaconBenjamin; Cringing Negativism Network

Is the argument that we’re better off with these explosions killing Chinese rather than Americans?


2 posted on 08/02/2014 9:09:30 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

A very sad situation. There is no excuse for this happening. It is caused by a failure to properly exhaust the dust sized particles created in the manufacturing process. Just one more sign of the failure of the Chinese to provide safe working environments for employees. Also another sign that US companies care little about the working environment of their suppliers’ employees just so long as they can save a buck.


3 posted on 08/02/2014 9:13:10 AM PDT by CdMGuy
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Since Obama gave GM over to the unions, I was expected GM to pull all the jobs back to the USA. /sarc/


4 posted on 08/02/2014 9:17:32 AM PDT by aimhigh (1 John 3:23)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

I wonder what the percent of a typical GM car, say the Chevy Cobalt was manufactured in China?
I would guess most of it, including 100% of the steel.


5 posted on 08/02/2014 9:18:59 AM PDT by mowowie
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To: CdMGuy

I was wondering how long it would take before somebody claimed the US and capitalism was the blame for the accident.


6 posted on 08/02/2014 9:23:23 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: 1010RD

Why are you copying me on your response?

Although I do not believe Chinese codes are as restrictive on Auto-parts manufacturers.

So I don’t believe there is as much protections, for the staff.

But I didn’t post this article.


7 posted on 08/02/2014 9:45:02 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: mowowie

You’re close. From personal observation (from working in the auto industry), I would peg the parts and materials content coming from china at around 50~60%, with about 30% or so coming from mexico/central/south america. US domestic content is around 10~20% max. That’s across all brands assembled in the continental US. Most of the automakers source their parts from the same suppliers.


8 posted on 08/02/2014 9:55:40 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Criminally inadequate ventilation. Plant management must have known of the hazard and consciously decided to take the risk to avoid the expense of worker safety. Ain’t cronyism grand.


9 posted on 08/02/2014 10:06:43 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: JimSEA
Safety and environmental regulations made a lot of good sense, until about 1985, when additional measures started costing more than the benefits.

Looks like the Chicoms are learning this the hard way.

10 posted on 08/02/2014 10:12:42 AM PDT by catfish1957 (Face it!!!! The government in DC is full of treasonous bastards)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

I remember this happened in a Chicago “nightclub”. They chained all the exit doors because they were charging admission at the main entrance. Someone released some pepper spray and the panic got a few trampled to death, or smothered against the front door.


11 posted on 08/02/2014 10:16:19 AM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

When looking for a new car maybe 10-15 years back I stopped at the Chevy dealer. Looked at the window sticker and it said. Engine built in Brazil. I said to myself boy things sure have changed.


12 posted on 08/02/2014 10:17:46 AM PDT by McGruff (Seems like some are more interested in protecting Ukraine's border than ours)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

To get a reply, your opinion, on this topic. To better understand you and your thinking. Would it have been better if this were American workers blown up? Should these jobs and the risk associated with them be here, within the borders of the United States?


13 posted on 08/02/2014 10:21:53 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

To tell the truth, I don’t believe American workers would have been blown up.

The risks are (much) more controlled at American manufacturing plants.

They are not absent, but just saying. And we have sent far too much of America’s manufacturing base, to China.

So my opinion is, America should be (far) more aggressive with China on trade.

We need to balance our trade relationship with China.

Balance.

Our trading relationship right now, is all one way.

China is taking over. And to tell the truth, some Americans are helping them.

Some Americans, in both parties.


14 posted on 08/02/2014 10:32:11 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: factoryrat; mowowie
I bought a new Nissan cheap truck in 2004 and fed reg required that it have displayed on the sticker foreign content above a certain value.

It was assembled in Tenn, but the transmission came from japan and the motor was made in Mexico.

That doesn't say anything about lesser value components such as interior door panels or the cd player and such

As for this GM sub in China that had the accident, I think GM sells more cars in China than they do in the US, so the sub was probably making parts for a GM auto to be sold in China.

15 posted on 08/02/2014 11:00:14 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: Cringing Negativism Network; Toddsterpatriot; 1rudeboy; Kaslin; SeekAndFind; PapaNew; Paladin2; ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PEPCON_disaster

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/apr/19/texas-fertilizer-plant-explosion-government-watchdog

CNN: And we have sent far too much of America’s manufacturing base, to China.

Who is this ‘we’, Kemosabe? Who is this mysterious group sending US manufacturers overseas, particularly to China? Is there a central boss or cabinet making these decisions? Do you mean that the “tax and regulatory regime” when you say “we”?

CNN: We need to balance our trade relationship with China.
Balance. Our trading relationship right now, is all one way.

I appreciate the emphasis, but our trade is balanced and I’ve demonstrated this to you over and over again. We give China US dollars and they give us real, tangible goods. You give your grocer US dollars and he gives you real, tangible goods. Same thing.

CNN: China is taking over. And to tell the truth, some Americans are helping them.

China will grow old before they grow rich. They’re the #2 economy according to some. Does the EU or Japan freak you out as well?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)

Keep in mind you have to divide GDP by population to get a per capita number. China’s is quite low. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita They drop to #83 and the US to #8 ten times higher in rank and 8 times higher in income. China will have to grow its GDP to $128 trillion to be America’s equal per capita. That won’t happen.

FYI, those Americans that are helping send US jobs overseas are Democrats, bureaucrats, and unions. You get that, right?

Anyone can search for CNN’s posts via “cringingnegativismne”

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:cringingnegativismne/index?brevity=full;tab=comments

You’ll note that he never gives policy clarifications, never attacks bad tax or regulatory policy or Democrats/liberals/unions for that matter, but just cut and paste complaints repeated over and over again. He’s a troll for certain or better a mole ala Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy. You can decide for yourself.


16 posted on 08/02/2014 1:15:49 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

Was anyone claiming that China was about to pass the US in per capita income? More to the point seems to be the combination of their size, resources and growth funding their becoming a, if not the, dominant world power.


17 posted on 08/02/2014 1:22:32 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

China will never be the dominant world power.

For your edification:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/moneybuilder/2013/11/12/chinas-demographic-collapse/

http://www.indexmundi.com/china/age_structure.html

Now, they’re not our pals. Their culture and totalitarian attitudes make them a threat, but they cannot hurt us without risking a massive economic collapse and the resulting societal turmoil associated with one.

Trade has tied their hands, militarily. Worse, they’re losing the lower end of mfg to other contries in SE Asia. Plus, America is on the verge of a robotics and nanotech breakthrough that will further diminish the power of cheap labor.


18 posted on 08/02/2014 1:36:23 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

Thanks for “edifying” me.

The population demographics will cause problems for some time, but ultimately the population “correction” will help them out.

They think and act long term. Perhaps for all of your edification you can’t see that far.


19 posted on 08/02/2014 1:53:56 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

How long do you think Chinese demographics will cause a problem for China? When do you think their population will correct and what level of reproduction do you consider a correction?

So you think central planners have the upper hand?

Are you aware of the history of central planning?


20 posted on 08/02/2014 2:06:34 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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21 posted on 08/02/2014 2:07:30 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: 1010RD

I think in some ways central planning is advantageous, though China has incorporated an interesting market-authoritarian mix. Of course, I’m not in favor of it and don’t believe it is as effective as freedom.

But demographers are all wet IMO as far as far as expecting that growing populations are always advantageous. China’s ageing populace grew up in poverty, which won’t be that expensive to carry to their end lives. Controlling key resources will be important, size of political entity will matter, and so will their individual smarts and drive.

Are you always patronizing in your posts here, or have I just especially triggered it in you?


22 posted on 08/02/2014 2:24:12 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: 1010RD

Whatever.

We are clearly on opposite sides of the globalism issue.

You brought me into this thread, I’m just stating we (as in both parties) are giving away America’s future, as things stand right now.

Both parties.

I really don’t understand, why nobody is for America anymore.


23 posted on 08/02/2014 3:08:04 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

We need to stop punishing businesses with the highest taxes on Earth and regulating them out of business.


24 posted on 08/02/2014 3:09:46 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
I really don’t understand, why nobody is for America anymore.

What policy changes do you recommend, to be for America?

Concern troll.

25 posted on 08/02/2014 3:26:25 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Science is hard. Harder if you're stupid.)
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To: JimSEA

The managers might be executed.


26 posted on 08/02/2014 3:26:54 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: 9YearLurker

I don’t mean to sound patronizing, but you’re here on FR liking central planning, denying the benefits of a growing population and that’s a bit weird, no?


27 posted on 08/02/2014 4:38:55 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Not whatever. You’ve got an axe you’ve ground down to the wooden handle. You’re wrong and won’t admit it. You’ve admitted that the division of labor (specialization) creates wealth and that absolute and relative advantage tied to preferences drive commerce aka trade.

You don’t like China and that sells on FR. I’m with you. I don’t like a lot of the Chinese culture and want to see the end of communism in all its forms. But that’s not quite your angle is it?

Instead, you’re “just saying” that America’s future is being given away.

Is it over regulation?

High taxation?

Massive debt? (remember that federal debt isn’t the same as the trade deficit. I know you know that, but lurkers might think you forgot)

What’s driving jobs overseas? What does your union steward say?


28 posted on 08/02/2014 4:43:15 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: GeronL

They likely deserve it. The comparison of the cost of proper ventilation to the cost of rebuilding the plant is pennies to dollars. The loss of life is less important to the Chinese crony capitalists but the bad press also calls for them being shot. This is way beyond an accident as are the mine “accidents” and are as inexcusable. It really angers me.


29 posted on 08/02/2014 6:03:38 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Ben Ficklin

Was it a Titan by any chance?
I test drove one of those around 2006, and the major problems were:
Excessive body flex would cause the tailgate to pop loose from the bed, and dangle by the restraints, and when in 4wd low, the front differential would damage itself when trying to make a sharp turn, requiring replacement of the differential and gear set. Those are from my personal notes.


30 posted on 08/03/2014 11:29:01 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: factoryrat
Its a Nissan Frontier Clubcab, the cheapest model. 4cyl 5 speed manual trans. I got about 28 mpg until they raised the ethanol level and now about 25 mpg.

Its almost 10 yrs old but less than 40,000 miles. I've had a very, very slow coolant loss but not bad. There's a problem in the pollution control system that might be the gas cap but I've ignored it because where I live there is no tail pipe testing.

I don't drive much so I buy gas every three months and change the oil once a year even if it doesn't need it.

I paid around 13,000 for it(2004) and I've spent maybe a $100 investigating the coolant loss and pollution control problem

31 posted on 08/03/2014 1:25:30 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: DeaconBenjamin

What the hell are they making GM parts out of? Thermite?


32 posted on 08/12/2015 7:16:50 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: CdMGuy

I know you can buy new China manufactured chrome bumpers for about half of what it costs to get the originals re-chromed in the USA.


33 posted on 08/12/2015 7:18:27 PM PDT by nascarnation (Impeach, convict, deport)
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