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State of emergency declared for NW Ohio counties over water contamination
Fox8News ^ | 8/2/2014 | Shannon Carney

Posted on 08/02/2014 2:13:59 PM PDT by EBH

Edited on 08/02/2014 2:33:34 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Gov. John Kasich says water will be flowing into the Toledo area from all corners of Ohio to help the 400,000 people who are being warned not to drink the city’s water.

Toledo’s mayor says water is coming from Akron, Cincinnati and even a prison near Columbus.


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KEYWORDS: contamination; emergency; ohio; seebreakingnews; toledo; toxin; water
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1 posted on 08/02/2014 2:13:59 PM PDT by EBH
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2 posted on 08/02/2014 2:15:15 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Springman; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; madison10; ...
This is apparently affecting people in SE Michigan as well so heads up.

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3 posted on 08/02/2014 2:15:34 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: EBH

5 gallon bucket, gravel, charcoal and some sand oughtta take care of that....


4 posted on 08/02/2014 2:15:58 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Vendome

Nope it is a cyano-toxin...


5 posted on 08/02/2014 2:16:45 PM PDT by EBH (And the head wound was healed, and Gog became man.)
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To: EBH

Terrorism?


6 posted on 08/02/2014 2:18:17 PM PDT by al baby (Hi MomÂ…)
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To: al baby

I was wondering about that. Last year there were a couple incidences of Middle Eastern “tourists” visiting Water sources. IIRC


7 posted on 08/02/2014 2:19:48 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: EBH

Then run it through a Berkey.

Problem solved...

Or boil it?


8 posted on 08/02/2014 2:20:01 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: EBH
Good lord.


9 posted on 08/02/2014 2:20:27 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Vendome

Can’t boil. Toxins still there.


10 posted on 08/02/2014 2:20:44 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: EBH

Isn’t that one of them fancy print toner cartridges?


11 posted on 08/02/2014 2:20:46 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: EBH

Holy Toledo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


12 posted on 08/02/2014 2:23:27 PM PDT by bandleader
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To: EBH

They’re apparently even buying up the water in My neck of the woods. My mother tells me that they’re out of water in Brooklyn Michigan and they’re getting hit in Chelsea and Jackson.

Thinking I should run the hose out to the gate and put up a sign to sell some well water.


13 posted on 08/02/2014 2:23:51 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: cripplecreek
Sheeesh...folks can't even spell a three letter word.
14 posted on 08/02/2014 2:24:55 PM PDT by 4yearlurker (Some people say that experts agree!!)
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To: EBH
Interesting they're not using Cleveland water or any other water from Lake Erie. It might make sense to stock up on supplies just in case other Lake Erie sourced water gets contaminated.

(ohmygosh, isn't this how panics start?)

15 posted on 08/02/2014 2:25:11 PM PDT by grania
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To: Vendome

boiling concentrates it. they already said in no uncertain terms to NOT BOIL.

They pulled all the fruits & veggies off the grocery shelves too!


16 posted on 08/02/2014 2:25:40 PM PDT by EBH (And the head wound was healed, and Gog became man.)
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To: cripplecreek

Apparently Toledo schools suck.


17 posted on 08/02/2014 2:25:52 PM PDT by mylife
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To: Vendome

“Or boil it?”

No, it just makes it worse it said on another thread. I think it said it makes the toxin more concentrated.

Which kind of makes you wonder.


18 posted on 08/02/2014 2:25:57 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: 4yearlurker

They got one letter right. I love the singular “Bottle Water” as well.


19 posted on 08/02/2014 2:26:09 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: cripplecreek

We be out of bottled water?


20 posted on 08/02/2014 2:27:13 PM PDT by steve86 ( Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: al baby

No they’ve been monitoring these blooms for nearly a decade. This one is real bad. I suspect it is the excess rain this year washing fertilizer into the shallow end of the lake.


21 posted on 08/02/2014 2:28:33 PM PDT by EBH (And the head wound was healed, and Gog became man.)
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To: EBH

Has global warming been blamed yet?


22 posted on 08/02/2014 2:28:40 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (I lost my phased plasma rifle in a tragic hovercraft accident.)
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To: EBH

Wasn’t anyone paying attention to the algae growth? I guess not.


23 posted on 08/02/2014 2:29:24 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: steve86

We out of meet to.


24 posted on 08/02/2014 2:29:31 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: EBH

Nothing unusual about the water temp
http://coastwatch.glerl.noaa.gov/webdata/cwops/webdata/statistic/gif/avgtemps-e_1992-2013.gif


25 posted on 08/02/2014 2:29:48 PM PDT by Bulwinkle (Alec, a.k.a. Daffy Duck)
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To: al baby

http://www.epa.gov/.../gross.../indicators/algae-blooms.html

During the 2000s blooms of toxic Microcystis were reported as common in the western basin. In August 2003, a massive bloom of the cyanobacteria Microsystis aetuginosa formed in western Lake Erie and persisted for nearly a month. Surface scums of Microcystis containing high concentrations of the toxin microcystin washed ashore in Michigan and Ohio, resulting in foul-smelling, rotting, algal mats. Beaches and recreational boating areas were rendered unusable and sport fishing was adversely affected. The Microcystis bloom of 2003, perhaps the most severe in Lake Erie’s recent history, was only the latest in a trend towards increasing frequency of Microcystis blooms in the last decade. The 2003 bloom was followed by smaller blooms in 2004 and 2005. Microcystis reappeared in 2006, but the extent of the bloom remains to be determined.


26 posted on 08/02/2014 2:30:40 PM PDT by EBH (And the head wound was healed, and Gog became man.)
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To: al baby

Probably no but it would be of no surprise. The Lake Erie/Detroit River connection is wide open to Windsor, Canada which has a massive Muslim population. Made the trip many times by boat, once we arrived at our weekend dockage, made a declaration phone call to CPA. When we left, we left......not one time in years we were ever check boarded by the Coast Guard, nor was anyone else we knew ever checked! even after 9/11. We could have brought anybody or anything back to our marina in the US.


27 posted on 08/02/2014 2:31:29 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: Bulwinkle

We’ve had a lot of rain though...think fertilizer...


28 posted on 08/02/2014 2:31:58 PM PDT by EBH (And the head wound was healed, and Gog became man.)
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To: Admin Moderator

Can you remove my thread? All the action is over on this one.
Thanks

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29 posted on 08/02/2014 2:32:36 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: jocon307
I'd say it's some natural toxin, because it would be hard to artificially introduce enough "stuff" to contaminate billions of gallons of water.

The concentration from boiling would be related to how much pure water got boiled off. People ought to have a still in their homes.

30 posted on 08/02/2014 2:34:41 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Kirkwood

The NOAA Algae bloom report shows it was expanding.

http://www2.nccos.noaa.gov/.../bulletin/bulletin_current.pdf


31 posted on 08/02/2014 2:35:39 PM PDT by EBH (And the head wound was healed, and Gog became man.)
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To: Vendome

Nope. Boiling concentrates the toxins.


32 posted on 08/02/2014 2:36:05 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: EBH

If the beer was no good to drink, that would be a crisis.


33 posted on 08/02/2014 2:38:13 PM PDT by Nachoman (libertyarmstx.com is now open!)
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To: Cboldt
I'd say it's some natural toxin, because it would be hard to artificially introduce enough "stuff" to contaminate billions of gallons of water.

Yup. I live on a lake of about 180 acres and it would take a lot of poison to seriously contaminate that. Lake Erie is a bit larger.
34 posted on 08/02/2014 2:38:17 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: CrazyIvan

Fracking. Or Bush.


35 posted on 08/02/2014 2:40:27 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: EBH

http://www.circleofblue.org/waternews/2014/commentary/editorial-in-the-circle-fresh-focus/harmful-algal-bloom-expands-lake-erie/


36 posted on 08/02/2014 2:41:48 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
Electrolyte and slow sand filtration is possible in home and will neutralize the toxin and bacteria.
37 posted on 08/02/2014 2:51:18 PM PDT by mazz44
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To: machogirl

Probably not bio-terror in the sense of a person putting something in the reservoir, but more likely a bio-response to drought/waterflow restriction. Ohio has had recurrant algal bloom issues.

Public Water System Harmful Algal Bloom Response Strategy

http://epa.ohio.gov/Portals/28/documents/HABs/PWSHABResponseStrategy.pdf

1.2 Cyanobacteria Causes of Concern

Cyanobacteria can produce a variety of toxins which can cause illness and death in humans and animals. These toxins include liver toxins, nerve toxins, and skin toxins. Some of the more common cyanotoxins found in Ohio waters include microcystins, cylindrospermopsin, saxitoxin and anatoxin-a. Cyanobacteria toxins can be found within cyanobacteria cells or as free toxins in the water. Toxin production is cyanobacteria strain specific, and many of these organisms can produce one or several different types of toxins. These toxins are colorless and persist in the water after a cyanobacteria bloom is gone. Toxins may degrade over time by bacterial action and sunlight.

In addition to toxin production, cyanobacteria can cause other problems in drinking water sources. The excess organic load is a concern for public water supplies, because chlorination of organic material can result in the production of trihalomethanes (carcinogen).

1.5 Rationale for Strategy Development
Ohio government officials became aware of HAB development in Ohio’s lakes in 2007 when the Ohio EPA participated in the National Lakes Assessment. This survey included sampling for the cyanotoxin, microcystin. In April 2009, the results of the 2007 National Lakes Assessment were released, showing that more than 36% of the randomly selected 19 Ohio lakes sampled had detectable levels of microcystin, which was higher than the national average.

.....The extensive HAB on Lake Erie in 2011 was considered the worst in 30 years, with microcystin concentrations exceeding 1000 ug/L in the open water of the western basin. Microcystin concentrations at the City of Celina’s intake were even greater in 2012 (maximum concentration >100 ug/L) but concentrations in Lake Erie were much lower. This was due in part to a severe drought that limited nutrient input from the Maumee River into Lake Erie to historically low levels. Overall, cyanotoxins were detected in the majority of source waters sampled in 2010, 2011, and 2012.


38 posted on 08/02/2014 2:54:19 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: EBH
This is a pretty good EPA file on identification, effects and treatment. This is a difficult toxin to remove, but can be done at the individual level.

Cyanobacteria and Cyanotoxins: Information for Drinking Water Systems
39 posted on 08/02/2014 2:55:02 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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This is some very serious S#!%. I just talk to a Berkey Water filter Rep and this is what she told me:

Nicole 15:49
At this time, we haven’t have data for Microcystin. It is a toxin produced by the bacteria. So even though the Black Berkey Elements can remove 99.9999% of bacteria, we cannot be certain it will remove this toxin. Therefore, we cannot recommend using the Berkey Elements to filter water contaminated with Microcystin.

If a Berkey Water Filter can’t make it fit to drink I wonder how it ever will every be fit to drink! Berkeys are used to make good drinkable water by many people working in third world hell holes were passable water is what we would call sludge. Looks to me that the excrement has collided with the rotating air circulator!


40 posted on 08/02/2014 3:08:16 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: blueplum

How does this effect the fish?

Is that going to be another disaster?


41 posted on 08/02/2014 3:10:17 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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I wonder if the Feds will use this to open up the FEMA camps?


42 posted on 08/02/2014 3:12:30 PM PDT by machogirl (First they came for my tagline)
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To: Kartographer

According to the EPA link it looks as if ozone treatment is the most effect. Chlorine and (wood, not bamboo) charcoal can be done, but with a little more difficulty. This is at the individual level. I don’t know how they could treat at the water company lake intake point.


43 posted on 08/02/2014 3:14:39 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: PA Engineer

effective = effect


44 posted on 08/02/2014 3:16:48 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the Occupation Media.)
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To: All

Could the water be distilled with a home unit and be safe?


45 posted on 08/02/2014 3:21:27 PM PDT by CharlotteVRWC
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To: cripplecreek

Who peed in the reservoir?


46 posted on 08/02/2014 3:22:21 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: al baby
Terrorism?

The article states it is a toxin from algae growing in Lake Erie.

47 posted on 08/02/2014 3:23:04 PM PDT by OldMissileer
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Well, there’s always beer and wine...


48 posted on 08/02/2014 3:23:50 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: cripplecreek

Common core English..


49 posted on 08/02/2014 3:25:05 PM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: MaxMax
I don't know nuthin and you can't prove nuthin.


50 posted on 08/02/2014 3:25:13 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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