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Obama’s Impeachment Game
New York Times ^ | August 2, 2014 | By Ross Douthat

Posted on 08/02/2014 2:57:02 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Over the last month, the Obama political apparatus — a close aide to the president, the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and the “independent” voices at MSNBC — has been talking nonstop about an alleged Republican plan to impeach the president.

But it isn’t happening in a vacuum, because even as his team plays the impeachment card with gusto, the president is contemplating — indeed, all but promising — an extraordinary abuse of office: the granting of temporary legal status, by executive fiat, to up to half the country’s population of illegal immigrants.

This is the tone of the media coverage right now: The president may get the occasional rebuke for impeachment-baiting, but what the White House wants to do on immigration is assumed to be reasonable, legitimate, within normal political bounds.

It is not: It would be lawless, reckless, a leap into the antidemocratic dark.

And an American political class that lets this Rubicon be crossed without demurral will deserve to live with the consequences for the republic, in what remains of this presidency and in presidencies yet to come.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; failure; impeachment; obama; tyranny

1 posted on 08/02/2014 2:57:03 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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2 posted on 08/02/2014 2:57:29 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

This in the Slimes?? I had to do a double take


3 posted on 08/02/2014 3:11:20 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Documentation File on the 2014 Impeachment of B. Hussein Obama, aka Barry Soetoro a former Foreign Student from Indonesia, and still a legal Citizen of the Sovereign Nation of Indonesia.

NOTE: It will be interesting to document responses of the NYT, (the Flagship Rag of the Democrat Brotherhood), as Obama continues to Arrogantly beg to be Impeached by Speaker “Blank Check” Boehner who has promised not to Impeach fellow traveler Obama.


4 posted on 08/02/2014 3:12:16 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Congress should have secret talks with the Pentagon and have this bastard imprisoned in solitary confinement until his term is over. Then try the bastard for treason


5 posted on 08/02/2014 3:14:10 PM PDT by ZULU (Go REDSKINS!!! Impeach Obama in 2015 !!!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

sounds to me like the Democrats want to impeach Barack Obama....they’re the only ones talking about it.


6 posted on 08/02/2014 3:21:08 PM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Ob)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Obama is doing a preemptive strike. He is trying to inoculate himself against impeachment by getting the Reps to say they will not impeach him. When Obama legalizes the status of 6 million illegal aliens preventing deportation and providing them with work permits, SSNs, and the ability to travel in and out of this country, then the GOP will have to make the decision whether to impeach him or not.

Regardless of the political fallout, the GOP must impeach him to protect the Constitution. It won't matter that the Senate will not convict him. The GOP House must do its constitutional duty.

7 posted on 08/02/2014 3:22:40 PM PDT by kabar
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To: trisham

Why is this in the Times? Are they doing an “opposition” column, perhaps?


8 posted on 08/02/2014 3:25:08 PM PDT by livius
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Impeachment is a Democrat/MSNBC tar baby.


9 posted on 08/02/2014 3:28:06 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: livius

I don’t know.


10 posted on 08/02/2014 3:28:10 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: kabar

The GOP can’t impeach him until they get the Senate. That is, they can impeach him, but they can’t remove him from office. Bill Clinton was the only president ever impeached...and he served out his term, because the Senate wouldn’t remove him.

Bambi is pushing this because it revs up his idiot base.

“Hey, man, the white guys wanna impeach the first black president? Well I and all my dead friends are going to vote from the graveyard to prevent the Senate from getting a GOP majority and furthermore we’re going to contact our buddies the billionaires to give him a little extra walking around money...”


11 posted on 08/02/2014 3:28:54 PM PDT by livius
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Presidents are granted broad powers over foreign policy, and they tend to push the envelope substantially in wartime. But domestic power grabs are usually modest in scope, and executive orders usually work around the margins of hotly contested issues.

This administration has been not only crashingly incompetent and harmful in foreign policy, it has been elaborately uninterested in advancing U.S. interests. We knew from the moment they took office that their focus would be on domestic affairs and the deliberate social engineering of the entire country. This is nothing more than an extension of that, an attempt to broaden the envelope of the acceptable to admit of rule by executive fiat.

At the moment it's just testing the water. Should the Republicans regain the Senate by a slim margin I could very well see 0bama doing this and daring Congress to do anything about it. They'll have the votes in the House for impeachment but barring any truly unprecedented turnaround, not the votes in the Senate to remove from office. At that point we play the defunding/shut down the government game that the administration has already won once.

12 posted on 08/02/2014 3:39:11 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: livius

Clinton was not the only president that was impeached, read your history.


13 posted on 08/02/2014 3:42:29 PM PDT by onthegulf
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To: livius
The GOP can’t impeach him until they get the Senate. That is, they can impeach him, but they can’t remove him from office. Bill Clinton was the only president ever impeached...and he served out his term, because the Senate wouldn’t remove him.

LOL. Did you even comprehend my post #7? "Regardless of the political fallout, the GOP must impeach him to protect the Constitution. It won't matter that the Senate will not convict him. The GOP House must do its constitutional duty." Clinton was impeached, but the Senate failed to convict him. How is what I said any different than what you posted?

FYI: Andrew Johnson was also impeached. Clinton was the second President to be impeached. And conviction requires a two-thirds majority vote by the Senate. Even if the Reps gain control of the Senate, there is no way they will have a two-thirds majority.

14 posted on 08/02/2014 3:43:22 PM PDT by kabar
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To: livius

Clinton was not the only president that was impeached, read your history.


15 posted on 08/02/2014 3:44:14 PM PDT by onthegulf
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; All

Since Congress is presently divided, Congress cannot impeach Obama out of office. It is up to Constitution-impaired patriots to first make sure that there are 67 senators who are willing to vote Obama out of office should the House of Representatives decide to impeach him.

But “asleep at the wheel” patriots have so far missed the opportunities provided by the 2010 and 2012 elections to make sure that there are enough senators who are willing to kick Obama out of office. So patriots arguably have only themselves to blame since Obama presently cannot be impeached out of office.


16 posted on 08/02/2014 3:50:37 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Amendment10

The “patriots” are outnumbered by the other side. Obama has received more votes than any President in history, by far. Demography is destiny.


17 posted on 08/02/2014 3:59:37 PM PDT by kabar
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To: aquila48

This in the Slimes?? I had to do a double take.”

Me too. I’m wondering if this isn’t a rope a dope strategy to get the GOP to start impeachment, as a diversion to all the Obama fires currently burning. These are desperate times.


18 posted on 08/02/2014 4:01:14 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: Billthedrill

If republicans take the Senate by a slim margin, there will be enough party flips to ensure the Obama/Reid tyranny continues. The GOP needs a landslide to actually control the upper house.


19 posted on 08/02/2014 4:01:44 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: kabar; All
"The “patriots” are outnumbered by the other side. Obama has received more votes than any President in history, by far."

Bear in mind that Obama might have resigned by this time because of the threat of a small number of impeachment votes if patriots had put some effort into makking sure that there were enough senators to vote Obama out of office if the House had impeached him.

Otherwise, one reason, besides alleged ballot stuffing, that Constitution-ignoring Obama has received more than any other president is because parents, for many generations, have not been making sure that their children are being taught about the federal government's constitutionally limited powers the way that the Founding States had intended for those powers to be understood.

As a side note about impeachement, consider that the threat of impeachment would probably be more real for corrupt presidents like Obama if state lawmakers had never ratified the ill-conceived 17th Amendment.

20 posted on 08/02/2014 4:13:24 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: Jacquerie
Ping to self:

An American political class that lets this Rubicon be crossed without demurral will deserve to live with the consequences for the republic.

Julius Caesar courted popularity so successfully that Rome gave him an army, and that army gave him Rome.

The benefit of an impeachment would be the airing/disclosure of Obama’s high crimes. Since the old media are complicit in the cover-up, articles of impeachment rather than a nonexistent news chronicle will serve as the permanent historical record of His presidency.

21 posted on 08/02/2014 4:14:17 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Article V. If not now, when?)
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To: aquila48

Wow...in the NYT!


22 posted on 08/02/2014 4:14:56 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: kabar

If they don't impeach him, I suggest we do this.

23 posted on 08/02/2014 4:29:14 PM PDT by Kenton
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“First the execution, then the trial.”

“Through the Looking Glass”


24 posted on 08/02/2014 4:35:24 PM PDT by clintonh8r (It's possible to love your country and hate your government. I'm proof of it.)
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To: Amendment10

If pigs had wings they could fly.


25 posted on 08/02/2014 4:38:10 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

You mean that you don’t think there will be a flip or two the other way? There’s and indy in ME that would likely come aboard, and with the political pole that Obama has thoroughly greased for many Dims in 2016, there may be at least a few (D) Senators who vote for impeachment if for no other reason, to tell their PO’d constituents that they did!
If hopefully, November sees something like nine or ten more seats going to the R side, this is a strong possibility.


26 posted on 08/02/2014 5:04:41 PM PDT by fantail 1952 (Common sense policy: Help your friends. Whip your enemies. Sort out the rest later.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

If a soldier obeys an illegal order, he faces a court martial. Any “law” Obama “issues” is an illegal law. We should just ignore them.


27 posted on 08/02/2014 5:13:52 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (Liberals were raised by women or wimps. And they're all stupid.)
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To: aquila48
Ross Douthat is the NYT conservative columnist along with alleged conservative David Brooks. Douhat dabbles in religion and political commentary and appears to be more consistently (and intellectually) conservative in his opinion pieces. He is the only reason I can think of to read the NYT if indeed there is any reason at all to do so.

Follow the comments; most libs hate him.

28 posted on 08/02/2014 5:32:17 PM PDT by yetidog
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To: livius

Andrew Johnson was also impeached but removed from office.


29 posted on 08/02/2014 6:05:38 PM PDT by ZULU (Go REDSKINS!!! Impeach Obama in 2015 !!!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

True.


30 posted on 08/02/2014 6:06:35 PM PDT by ZULU (Go REDSKINS!!! Impeach Obama in 2015 !!!)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Looks to me that NYT is playing obama’a impeachment game for him.


31 posted on 08/02/2014 6:17:01 PM PDT by virgil (The evil that men do lives after them)
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To: kabar

If the 6 million illegals can be “legalized” by executive fiat now, they can just as easily by “illegalized” by the next executive.


32 posted on 08/02/2014 7:34:09 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: livius

“Bill Clinton was the only president ever impeached”

Wrong.


33 posted on 08/02/2014 7:36:14 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: glorgau

No, amnesty is really forever. It would be almost impossible to unring that bell. Do you think any of those 560,000 DACA recipients are going to have their legalization revoked?


34 posted on 08/02/2014 10:39:20 PM PDT by kabar
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To: Huskrrrr; aquila48
Douthat is the "House conservative" at the New York Times (he writes movie reviews for National Review). David Brooks used to be that before he came down with a terminal case of Obama-worship, which rotted his brain away.
35 posted on 08/03/2014 3:08:28 AM PDT by Cincinatus (Omnia relinquit servare Rempublicam)
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To: livius

“Hey, man, the white guys wanna impeach the first black president?”......

That’s racist!!!!!


36 posted on 08/03/2014 5:55:59 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: Amendment10

With all the “new voters” odumbo is creating, the demodummies will NEVER be voted OUT OF OFFICE.


37 posted on 08/03/2014 5:58:48 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: ZULU

Andrew Johnson wasn’t convicted. The Senate was one vote shy of removing Johnson from office.


38 posted on 08/03/2014 6:05:24 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: All
IMPEACHMENT--THE LAST REFUGE OF A SCOUNDREL Late July's survey found that only 38% of the public approves of the job Obama is doing, while 53% disapprove......a 10-point negative swing in just the past month. ...it becomes clear that the Border Crisis is driving this sharp decline FAR ABOVE ALL OTHER ISSUES---b/c views on the economy and direction of the country have barely budged.....

DEMOCRATS WISHING ON A STAR FOR IMPEACHMENT Senior Obama Adviser Dan Pfeiffer told reporters at a CSM breakfast that it's possible that Obama could be impeached by the Republican-controlled House....b/c Boehner's lawsuit "opened the door" to impeachment. Obama Press Secretary Josh Earnest was coached to say "prominent voices in the Republican party" have called for impeachment.

"I hereby impeach you."

ROTFLOL---Desperate Dummycrats are resurrecting the impeachment bugaboo to raise shady money.....actually raising monies for impeachment from diehard Obama suckups.

The impeachment gambit----and Obama's obsessive non-stop fund raising----is beginning to look sinister. The world smolders but the Dumbcrat ding-a-lings are wishing on a star for impeachment.

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REALITY CHECK Could this be a WH/Democrat Ponzi scheme in progress?

While they bash Wall Street publicly, leaders of the Democrats' mega-funder "The Democracy Alliance" have quietly recruited venture capitalists, bankers and hedge fund moguls -- along with union bosses and red-diaper trust fund babies -- to fund their takeover goals. ....$230,000 public school union dues go to the Democrats' "Democracy Alliance."

"The Democracy Alliance" does not itself raise and spend a great deal of money. Rather, being a partner in the Alliance requires one to contribute large amounts to other left-wing groups. The Alliance evaluates left-wing organizations on various criteria, and makes recommendations to its members as to where they should put their money. Currently, the Alliance lists 21 groups in its “Aligned Network”:

<><> America Votes, American Constitution Society, Black Civic Engagement Fund, Brennan Center, Catalyst, Center for American Progress, Center for Community Change, Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, Common Purpose Project, Fund for the Republic, Latino Engagement Fund, Media Matters for America, New Media Ventures, New Organizing Institute, Organizing For Action, Progressive Majority, Progress Now, State Engagement Initiative, State Voices, Women’s Equality Center and Youth Engagement Fund.<><>

The most interesting of the D/A documents that have come to light is the one that contains D/A’s “investment recommendations” for 2014. Not only does it list the recommended organizations, but it rates each organization in several categories, sets out the group’s budget for 2014, and shows how much of that budget should be contributed by the 100 members of the "Democracy Alliance." One category in which DA rates the organizations is “Collaboration,” as DA believes that all left-wing groups should coordinate their activities for maximum political impact.

Opportunistic pols like Harry Reid have denounced Charles and David Koch, and others, who contribute to conservative causes as “shadowy,” “secretive” people who dare infest politics with “dark money.”

In that context, it is worth noting that most of the groups to which the Alliance and its elite liberal members contribute are 501(c)(4)s that do not disclose their donors.

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ANALYSIS Buncha sap-happy Dummy/dopes are feeding the Democrats' Democracy Alliance lotsa money---thinking its safe.....going to a "good thing."

That's exactly how Madoff operated. Money-laundering, tax evasion was part of the Madoff mix---helping investors, foundations, and tax-exempts break the law in a seemingly legal way.

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Madoff helped himself to the untraceable money in the process.....and got himself in trouble. When he went to jail for 125 years, investigators found Ponzi King Madoff had stashed billions offshore---into a labyrinth of financial entities.

COLLUSION AND CONSPIRACIES GALORE Some $8.9 billion was funneled to Madoff through a dozen so-called feeder funds based in Europe, the Caribbean and Central America......a labyrinth of hedge funds, management companies and service providers that, to unsuspecting outsiders, seemed to compose a formidable system of checks and balances.

But the purpose of this complex financial architecture was just the opposite: the feeder funds provided different modes for directing money to Madoff in order to avoid scrutiny.

Dummycrats apparently took notes.

39 posted on 08/03/2014 9:07:23 AM PDT by Liz (Another Clinton administration? Are you nuts?)
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To: ZULU
Congress should have secret talks with the Pentagon and have this bastard imprisoned in solitary confinement until his term is over. Then try the bastard for treason

You don't get it; congress approves — just like with immigration, it gets to wring its hands and wail, all the while giddily pleased at what's happening.
This is the ONLY explanation that makes sense; they have the power to gut the executive (via the purse-strings) this was mentioned several times when the NSA's domestic espionage came to light but that, like everything else came to nothing. Judicial Watch has done more to rein in the executive than the Congress has.

40 posted on 08/04/2014 12:02:05 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

You may be right.


41 posted on 08/04/2014 3:11:12 PM PDT by ZULU (Go REDSKINS!!! Impeach Obamar in 2015 !!!)
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