Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Fatally Shot FSU Professor Waited 19 Minutes for Ambulance to Arrive
ABC News ^ | Aug 1, 2014 | Matt Gutman

Posted on 08/02/2014 6:45:23 PM PDT by nickcarraway

It took paramedics 19 minutes to arrive at the home of a Florida State University professor shot in his garage after a neighbor called 911 – with the dispatcher’s confusion contributing to the delay and one EMS unit replaced by another, authorities said.

Dan Markel, 41, was shot as he drove his car into his garage on July 18. The killer fired a single bullet through the driver’s window, striking him just beneath the jawline, sources told ABC News.

A neighbor called 911, noting that he happened upon Markel’s car because he’d been worried about a recent string of break-ins. The neighbor said he found Markel sitting in the driver’s seat of his car, his head covered in blood. Markel was still alive, the man told a dispatcher. But he wasn’t responsive.

“You need to send an ambulance in a hurry, an EMT,” the neighbor said, according to audio of the call released by police Thursday.

“I think you need to hurry.”

New Details Arise in the Murder of FSU Professor

FSU Professor Was Talking on Cell Phone When Shooting Happened

Grim Details Emerge in FSU Professor's Shooting Death

Because the dispatcher didn’t initially hear the caller mention anything about a gunshot wound, the response was delayed.

“The officer is going to be there first. [The EMT] is not going to come until we figure out what’s going on, but they are on the way as well, OK?” the dispatcher said.

“They better be if this guy’s got a shot … living,”

(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: 911

1 posted on 08/02/2014 6:45:23 PM PDT by nickcarraway
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

Things sometimes do get forgotten in confusion. Though if someone is reported alive but unresponsive with a bloody head at the wheel of a car, I might ask “do you think he could have been shot?”


2 posted on 08/02/2014 6:47:26 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

Man 19 minutes is quick here. An hour is good unless they get lost.


3 posted on 08/02/2014 6:52:22 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: HiTech RedNeck

Coming up soon on eBay: for sale, automobile, bullet hole in driver’s window, bloodstains on seat, best offer


4 posted on 08/02/2014 6:54:00 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

As a former dispatcher myself, “man down” is all it should have taken to dispatch the paramedics.


5 posted on 08/02/2014 6:54:49 PM PDT by Excellence (Marine mom since April 11, 2014)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway
Evidently he wrote about retributive justice (http://www.danmarkel.com).
6 posted on 08/02/2014 6:55:43 PM PDT by aposiopetic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

He’s not responsive, so you decide not to send EMS but, a cop?

Well, hopefully he brought his powdered donuts with him so he could mark the body outline.

That is just incompetence.


7 posted on 08/02/2014 6:56:01 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

I did not know this. It makes sense that they would triage and catagorize the level of emergency. If I ever have to help someone like that, I will be sure to state clearly and repeatedly if nec. that someone has just been shot.


8 posted on 08/02/2014 6:56:28 PM PDT by lee martell
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway
Tragic miscommunication.

Is there training/advice on the best way to place a 911 call?

Later info here.

9 posted on 08/02/2014 6:57:14 PM PDT by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

More to this than meets the eye:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2701946/He-intended-target-Police-Florida-admit-baffled-murder-Harvard-educated-professor-Dan-Markel-divorced-father-two-shot-dead-apparent-assassination.html


10 posted on 08/02/2014 6:58:37 PM PDT by Beowulf9
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Vendome

Well, they sent someone who kid finish the job.


11 posted on 08/02/2014 7:01:30 PM PDT by nickcarraway
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway
ABC News Chief Legal Affairs Anchor Dan Abrams said the direction of the investigation – with police focusing on different places where Markel was seen in the days before the shooting – shows that the shooter’s motive could be anything, from Markel’s blog to his legal research.

Well they used a gun so it must have been those Tea Baggers.

/S

12 posted on 08/02/2014 7:05:42 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

Dialing “911” is worse than dialing “Dial A Prayer.”


13 posted on 08/02/2014 7:07:34 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Beowulf9; nickcarraway

Whose parents are upset because he gave their precious a “B” instead of an “A”? What students are upset because they got a grade they are unhappy with? What whackjob student infatuated with the ex-wife thought he could clear up her divorce and make her want him by killing the guy? What did the ex-wife stand to gain?


14 posted on 08/02/2014 7:16:56 PM PDT by fso301
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

Oh no you dint...


15 posted on 08/02/2014 7:17:05 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Vendome

Affirmative Action anyone?


16 posted on 08/02/2014 7:31:36 PM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: aposiopetic

good to know. At first, I thought it was another banker death.


17 posted on 08/02/2014 7:45:02 PM PDT by grandpa jones (obama delenda est)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: grandpa jones
And I hope this one didn't set off the perp, being a Lin fan myself: What If Fans Could Have Paid Jeremy Lin to Stay in New York?
18 posted on 08/02/2014 7:47:57 PM PDT by aposiopetic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

That does it. I’m going to tell everyone I know that if I ever get shot pulling into the driveway, to just drag me to the hospital themselves and that I’ll do the same for them.


19 posted on 08/02/2014 7:53:14 PM PDT by Baladas
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SandRat

It took five minutes for paramedics to arrive to the scene when my son was hit by a car. That made all the difference in the world. Also, an off duty police officer was on the scene quicker than that because he was outside when it happened, and he ran to the scene and held my son still as he was bleeding profusely. The paramedics’ notes from the drive to the hospital stated that they did not think son would make it and questioned whether or not to give him the needed IVs because they thought he would be dead on arrival. Alas, he lived. The trauma unit provided excellent care. Timing is everything. Well, help from Above is everything.


20 posted on 08/02/2014 7:54:14 PM PDT by petitfour
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: aposiopetic
Evidently he wrote about retributive justice

Somebody out there might have a motive.

There are many conceptions of retributive justice. This paper is designed to articulate and defend a particular kind of retributive justice, one that I call the "Confrontational Conception of Retributivism," or the CCR. This particular conception is political, not comprehensive, and thus is interested in defending the claim that "state" punishment is, as a general matter, warranted as a response to criminal wrongdoing. Accordingly, the focus is on the legal manifestations of criminal punishment, particularly within a liberal democracy; it is not concerned with justifying punishment in other spheres such as parent-child relations. Related to this account of state punishment is that its contours should be devised principally ex ante and that such punishment should be distributed through actors upon whom there are checks with respect to their remaining discretion.


21 posted on 08/02/2014 7:55:10 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Shwarzenkaiser: fasionable fascism one charade at a time.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Carry_Okie

It’s interesting. For my part, I always thought the most compelling justification for incarceration was not retribution, but, rather, mere prevention of further crimes by the confined perpetrators.


22 posted on 08/02/2014 7:57:51 PM PDT by aposiopetic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: aposiopetic

I’m more of a fan of forced restitution plus 20% per the Torah.


23 posted on 08/02/2014 8:00:29 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Shwarzenkaiser: fasionable fascism one charade at a time.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Carry_Okie

I’ll not quibble with the source. Sometimes they just don’t have it to cough up, having dissipated it fruitlessly.


24 posted on 08/02/2014 8:05:06 PM PDT by aposiopetic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: aposiopetic
Sometimes they just don’t have it to cough up, having dissipated it fruitlessly.

No doubt that would be the majority of cases. All I'm saying is that prison should make them work and send what would otherwise be a fair paycheck to the victims as restitution.

25 posted on 08/02/2014 8:11:38 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Shwarzenkaiser: fasionable fascism one charade at a time.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: Carry_Okie

That’s fair. And, besides, fruitful prison labor keeps them away from a life of crime victimizing others (see: prevention :-).


26 posted on 08/02/2014 8:15:07 PM PDT by aposiopetic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: aposiopetic
That’s fair. And, besides, fruitful prison labor keeps them away from a life of crime victimizing others (see: prevention :-).

And the more fruitful they become the sooner they get out.

27 posted on 08/02/2014 8:43:02 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Shwarzenkaiser: fasionable fascism one charade at a time.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: aposiopetic

For those who don’t know what retributive justice is, and that included me:

Retributive Justice is a theory of justice that considers punishment, if proportionate, to be the best response to crime. When an offender breaks the law, justice requires that they forfeit something in return. Retribution should be distinguished from vengeance. Unlike revenge, retribution is directed only at wrongs, has inherent limits, is not personal, involves no pleasure at the suffering of others, and employs procedural standards.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retributive_justice


28 posted on 08/02/2014 9:25:14 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the earth for a thousand years.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

“When seconds count ...”


29 posted on 08/02/2014 9:48:19 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Kerry, as Obama's plenipotentiary, is a paradox - the physical presence of a geopolitical absence")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: X-spurt

Wait, wait jes a minute. Fust ah haffa axe you some quessions. An if you argues wif me, ah’m gonna hang up, gnome sayin’?


30 posted on 08/03/2014 12:27:11 AM PDT by beelzepug (You can't fix a broken washing machine by washing more expensive clothes in it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: mountainlion

If you live within four miles of a ambulance station...you might get the typical arrival within eight minutes. From the rural area where I grew up....it’ll take twenty minutes minimum for an ambulance to arrive. In some cases, you’d be better off for a neighbor to throw you in the back of a truck and just haul off at seventy miles an hour.

This is all leading folks to push for chopper-ambulance services now. The chopper can usually be at the house in twenty minutes and take you to a real hospital sixty miles away in a matter of twenty minutes.


31 posted on 08/03/2014 1:25:35 AM PDT by pepsionice
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway
The night my dad died, it took the ambulance 39 minutes to get there. He was long gone by then.

This was in Statesboro GA in 1986. They didn't even have 911 set up. We had to look up the phone number of the ambulance service.

32 posted on 08/03/2014 5:34:38 AM PDT by real saxophonist (Stay In The Fight - Kyle Lamb)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

That’s part of why we have the right to keep and bear arms. A 44 magnum responds at around 1500 fps. A cop responds in around 10-20 minutes. I can do the math.


33 posted on 08/03/2014 5:47:08 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: petitfour
The paramedics’ notes from the drive to the hospital stated that they did not think son would make it and questioned whether or not to give him the needed IVs because they thought he would be dead on arrival.

???

Seriously...

My lawyer would be busy....that cannot be protocol...

34 posted on 08/03/2014 6:06:27 AM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: beelzepug

Sho nuf mofo.


35 posted on 08/03/2014 8:14:11 AM PDT by X-spurt (CRUZ missile - armed and ready.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: petitfour
"The paramedics’ notes from the drive to the hospital stated that they did not think son would make it and questioned whether or not to give him the needed IVs because they thought he would be dead on arrival. Alas, he lived. The trauma unit provided excellent care. Timing is everything. Well, help from Above is everything."

------------------------------------------>

Unbelievable that there was even a thought of whether to use IV care or not!

P> petitfour, so glad your son survived.

36 posted on 08/03/2014 10:32:41 AM PDT by hummingbird (Mark Levin and Article 5. Period. 26 IS THE NEW 18. US = Koyaanisqatsi.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: hummingbird

Thanks! Son will always have TBI. He doesn’t remember what happened. He doesn’t remember anything about his three weeks in ICU though we have gone back for visits and to say thank you to those who gave him such great care. It strengthens their faith to see someone survive against the odds. Watching the trauma unit in action for those three weeks was eye opening. What great people with great skills! But even greater is their faith!

A bad 911 service is unacceptable. Every single second counts.


37 posted on 08/03/2014 11:04:51 AM PDT by petitfour
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: fso301

It was probably the ex wife. They were in a legal dispute.


38 posted on 08/03/2014 11:08:57 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson