Skip to comments.Is Russia about to invade Ukraine?
Posted on 08/02/2014 9:34:34 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Given the pattern of the cable news cycle, you might think that events in Ukraine had pretty much ceased to be of interest were it not for the downed airliner. To be fair, Israel is the hot news of the moment and, aside from the plane investigation, there havent been that many huge developments on the Russian border. But that would clearly change if the Russians launched a serious military invasion over the border. Rick Moran wonders if recent moves by Putins forces indicate that this is just whats about to happen.
Lets put it this way: Russia appears to have the capability to invade Ukraine any time it wishes. The forces are in place, the tanks are gassed up, the only thing apparently missing is the Go code from Vladimir Putin. And that could come this weekend, next weekemd or never.
Rick is looking at the analysis of James Miller, who sees more than defensive measures on the part of the Russians.
Right now Russia is moving troops, armor, and advanced antiaircraft missiles toward the border with Ukraine. In the last 48 hours, dozens of videos have been uploaded to social-media sites that show Russian armor very close to the border, many of them confirmed to be within mere kilometers of Ukraine.
On Thursday, my team at The Interpreter definitively geolocated Russian armor only 2,000 meters (and closing) from the border and a Buk, the same type of missile that likely took down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, only a few hours from being within range of Ukraines air force. Columns of tanks, marked with the same painted numbers and flat, pale-green paint weve seen in Ukraine since (at least) June 20th, were spotted moving en masse toward a key border crossing. Some Ukrainian journalists are reporting that at least some of this armor has already crossed the border.
Is it just precautionary or is Putin really getting ready to make a move? Tough to say at this point, really, and our previous efforts at either reading Putins mind or looking into his soul havent worked out all that well. I suppose its possible, since Vlad doesnt seem to be terribly concerned with anything that Barack Obama says or does, and sanctions thus far dont seem to have spurred much action from him aside from hastening some business deals with China.
But events in the rest of the world are not static, and Putin is surely aware of that. First of all, Ukraine might not be as much of a pushover as they appeared just a few months ago. Time is reporting that their military ranks have swelled and their fighting force has become more formidable in an impressively short period of time. Also, those sanctions might become more of a pressing issue if they continue to expand, with Japan being the latest nation to look at a serious financial strike against Moscow.
Russia isnt entirely isolated yet, and some of the traditional bad actors on the world stage will continue to support them in spirit, even if they cant offer much in the way of substance. (Think Iran, Syria, North Korea and others.) But if the economic crunch is growing to the point where they really feel the pinch and a quick victory in Ukraine is no longer assured, I get the sense that Putin wont risk a black eye on a gambit that might fail.
I think they already have...
I think the real problems only start if Putin takes Ukraine. That would mean he would have to support it. Mucho Rubles, Da.
Russia can invade Finland any time it wants to.
I don’t get it. Every one knows Putin is behind what’s going on there. He could have just rolled in the Russian Army and had this done months ago. Now Ukraine has had time to mobilize. Militarily, it doesn’t make any sense to me.
Scary, but kool....
For the life of me I can’t figure out why they haven’t already.
Exactly! Invading now would invite a high casualty rate with a big chance of failure.
Ukraine is falling apart of its own volition. Putin can simply watch, eat popcorn, drink beer, and pick up any pieces he wants when the fall apart is final.
Russia had trouble with Georgia for crying out loud, although I am sure they have improved since then. I would think.
Maybe now’s the time to pick up one o’ them Ukranian mail-order brides......
Putin can wait—no rush. It will be his in a year or two.
Borscht can be Russian, Ukrainian, Polish, etc.... lots of kinds of Borscht. And they all have their brigades it seems.
Let the Poles, Hungarians, and Russians, who ran the place for hundreds of years and the Germans who first dreamed up the idea of a nation named Ukraine to cause trouble for Poland and Russia deal with it.
You’re gonna have to come up with a better term to describe them, then. “Borscht Brigade” refers to our fellow FReepers who seem to be somewhat uncomfortably close to Moscow.
That’s the ticket! Ukraine is not a “real” country. Why should anyone care if Russia pushes it around, and gobbles a piece of it now and then?
It’s not our problem but rephrase it any way that fits the mass media Barry World paradigm you preach.
Uh-oh, you’re about to be labeled a “Putinista, loudmouth Putin lover, little KGB man, pro-Russia defender, and a Putin jock-sniffer & butt boy.”
He should be able to handle it on his own. No need to call in a posse.
Yeah, just don’t reply in kind, I see.
Why are you pinging me to threads that I am not on, take me off this ping list you created.
Go back and look at who I pinged.
I got it. You want to start a flamewar because you are feeling particularly insignificant today.
That’s probably the funniest thing I’ve read here this year. You stalk me all over this site but you are in a huff about this? Too funny!!
I have never stalked you and that is absurd, but you are actually stalking me, you are pinging me to arguments and threads that I am not even on to continue some sort of past argument or thread discussion, in other words, carrying your arguments and grudges from thread to thread, and striving to recreate them and restart them.
Which is EXACTLY what you’ve been doing lately. Don’t play innocent.
That is a bald faced lie, I don’t try to drag you to other threads with a ping list.
This is your new stalking game, mixed with a lot of personal anger and grudges that you seem to be carrying around.
Time to ressurect films like this;
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It would be suicide, there would be tremendous uproar internationally. Putin would have to be suicidal to try this, think of the economic costs-what is he going to do take territory in eastern Ukraine? Overrun Kiev? If this happened Putin’s regime will collapse in months.
Putin has set the ball rolling with his insane propaganda like infants being crucified and mothers dragged behind tanks and many of the Russians believe those insane stories. Now he might not know how to stop it without looking stupid.
Russia is already sending troops, and ammunition, and heavy equipment and BUKs into Ukraine.
You wish, Vlad —
Are you falling for the Putinista stupidity too? The idea that Putin is concerned about Christians is just retarded. He is aiding Iran with their nuclear program, and he even has his own pet Islamic dictator in Chechnya who is establishing an Islamic state.
As for Rashputin, he is a psycopath who has told me on two occasions that he desires to round up every Muslim, regardless if they are Pro-American Kurds or Crimean Tatars, running a gas station or bombing in Iraq, and force them to live in concentration camps or, possibly, face forced conversion, regardless of any constitutional rights.
Pick your friends better
I agree that Russia should have invaded a long time ago. Two areas of Ukraine Donetsk & Lugansk decided they didn't want to be part of the EU after the government was overthrown and declared their independence. They practically begged Russia to take them in (which I think was a mistake). But I believe people should be free to choose their own destiny.
Flame away you Euro-weenies.
If that was true, you'd stop repeating the lie that a majority of people in the East and South want to be annexed, when every poll, conducted by both local AND international pollsters, including the official Presidential election, say otherwise. The number of separatists was always a microminority and usually representing the Communist "we still love Stalin" faction of Ukraine.
Yet, you insist on repeating this lie every chance you get, no matter how many times I correct you.
That's also stupid, since you expect us to believe that McCain "started" the whole thing, when Yanukovych abolished the constitution and was conducting a campaign of repression against his opponents, including abductions and torture, but that the Ukrainians were perfectly okay with this and that, if it wasn't for eeevil John McCain, they would have happily got on their knees and licked the hand that feeds them.
The dirty little secret is that you guys are not Pro-Freedom. You're Pro-Putin, and that is why you freaks have no problem vomiting up NWO conspiracy trash, or quoting from anti-semitic articles (like you), or vomiting up stuff straight out of Russian media, and telling lies over and over again despite multiple corrections. Because you don't care about anything. You're just here to spread lies.
Yeah that's right. Those lethargic Ukrainians were just sitting around loving themselves some corrupt and tyrannical Yanukovich. Then along came that impotent and incontinent fossil John McCain to rouse them out of their stupor.
Unbelievable, as anybody who has been following the Putin vs Ukraine situation for the past 14 years knows.
"We moved our base camp last night and were now positioned literally
within feet of the river. Have been sitting here watching the border
patrol patrolling in their riverboats all night and all morning..."
Something I just learned today.
In his inaugural address, attended by dignitaries including U.S. Vice President Joe Biden, Sen. John McCain and Democratic Rep. Marcy Kaptur, Poroshenko promised amnesty “for those who do not have blood on their hands” and called for dialogue with “peaceful citizens” in the east.
Hey at least John Kerry wasn’t invited.