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Lake Superior, the Great Lakes and Europe Defy Climate Experts
Canada Free Press ^ | July 31, 2014 | Jack Dini

Posted on 08/03/2014 8:55:36 AM PDT by citizen

A little over one year ago, The New York Times and USA Today were reporting that the Great Lakes hit all time lows in water levels. According to those reports, Lake Huron and Lake Michigan were 29 inches below their average measurements taken since 1918. Scientists warned communities that they could only expect more tragedy with the Great Lakes. With a lack of rain from climate change, they told everyone to expect levels to continue to drop.

In an April 2013 report from the International Joint Commission, a group with members from the United States and Canada that advises on water resources, said their five-year study concluded that water levels in the lakes were likely to drop even farther, in part because of the lack of precipitation in recent years brought on by climate change.

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Yet, after this warning that the Great Lakes were in serious trouble and to expect lower water levels, they’ve encountered quite the surprise.

THE GREAT LAKES WATER LEVELS ARE RISING, AND DRASTICALLY

1 posted on 08/03/2014 8:55:36 AM PDT by citizen
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To: citizen; Hunton Peck; Diana in Wisconsin; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; Wisconsinlady; JPG; ...

Great Lakes vs. climate change ping

FReep Mail me if you want on, or off, this Wisconsin interest ping list.


2 posted on 08/03/2014 8:59:22 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: citizen

Go back a year and you can find a lot of us great lakes area FReepers predicting the lake levels would rise in the next year or so.

Way above average rainfall in the summer of 2013 followed by heavy ice cover that prevented evaporation over the winter followed but lots of rain this summer.


3 posted on 08/03/2014 8:59:40 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: citizen

Lake Superior surface water about 5 degrees C below average...
http://coastwatch.glerl.noaa.gov/webdata/cwops/webdata/statistic/gif/avgtemps-s_1992-2013.gif


4 posted on 08/03/2014 9:00:56 AM PDT by Bulwinkle (Alec, a.k.a. Daffy Duck)
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To: citizen

There’s “experts” and there’s those who know what they’re doing. Trouble is, too many listen to the “experts” no matter how many times they’re wrong and despite how wrong they tend to be.


5 posted on 08/03/2014 9:03:42 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: citizen

I live not to far from Lake Ontario and it seems the healthiest (in water lever and water quality) it has been in years.


6 posted on 08/03/2014 9:06:12 AM PDT by MacMattico
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To: citizen
Um, let me see if I Can answer this one:

1. Record winter snowfall. Detroit got the equivalent of 7 feet of snow in the winter of 2013-2014, the most since 1885.

2. Record cold. All the lakes except Ontario froze over this winter, with ice on Superior not completely disappearing until mid June. This reduced the amount of evaporation fom the lakes.

3. Cold, wet spring.

4. Col, wet summer.

Put all these together and you have the recipe for rising lake levels. Of course this doesn't fit in with the medias narrative of global warming so just ignore the above facts, shall we?

CC

7 posted on 08/03/2014 9:11:06 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (tease not the dragon for thou art crunchy when roasted and taste good with ketchup)
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To: citizen

For the past 20 years the climate has defied the “Climate Experts.”

It must be frustrating to be an expert that is always wrong.


8 posted on 08/03/2014 9:14:28 AM PDT by Bubba_Leroy (The Obamanation Continues)
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To: Bulwinkle

I wonder how the current year surface temps compare to one year ago temps? Probably colder, I am thinking.


9 posted on 08/03/2014 9:16:28 AM PDT by citizen (There is always free government cheese in the mouse trap.....https://twitter.com/kracker0)
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To: cripplecreek

Y’all were right on it. Probably the same conditions are applying right now.


10 posted on 08/03/2014 9:17:32 AM PDT by citizen (There is always free government cheese in the mouse trap.....https://twitter.com/kracker0)
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To: Bubba_Leroy
It must be frustrating to be an expert that is always wrong.

Sort of like a Democrat.

11 posted on 08/03/2014 9:18:03 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: citizen

What they won’t tell you is that the land around and under the great lakes is still “rebounding” from the weight of the glacial ice sheet that covered the region during the last ice age, roughly 12,000 years ago. Those same glaciers carved out the current great lakes, and then filled them with water.
So, the water level will always change, due to something we call “the weather”, and hope that Canada doesn’t call up Michigan, and tell them that they want their chunk of Ontario back, because that would be a whole lot of gravel to move.


12 posted on 08/03/2014 9:18:51 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: trebb

Most climate “experts” vs economic “experts” both are full of hot air, just like Al Gore. In it for whatever money they can fleece from deluded followers.


13 posted on 08/03/2014 9:19:57 AM PDT by citizen (There is always free government cheese in the mouse trap.....https://twitter.com/kracker0)
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To: MacMattico

Well, that is a plus. A cooler climate is probably better for the health of Great Lakes and their users.


14 posted on 08/03/2014 9:22:44 AM PDT by citizen (There is always free government cheese in the mouse trap.....https://twitter.com/kracker0)
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To: trebb; All
Regarding experts:
'X' is an unknown quantity and a spurt is a drip under pressure.

Draw your own conclusion.

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15 posted on 08/03/2014 9:24:04 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: factoryrat

Not sure what that last means “that [Canada] wants their chunk of Ontario back” but it sounds interesting. What’s the story there?


16 posted on 08/03/2014 9:27:15 AM PDT by citizen (There is always free government cheese in the mouse trap.....https://twitter.com/kracker0)
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To: trebb

These “experts” have an agenda on which their scientific pronouncement are based.


17 posted on 08/03/2014 9:45:09 AM PDT by 353FMG
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To: citizen
THE GREAT LAKES WATER LEVELS ARE RISING, AND DRASTICALLY

Nutty environmentalists are in luck - the MSM will 'miss' this story...

18 posted on 08/03/2014 10:09:46 AM PDT by GOPJ (An Ebola break-out in a large city will turn residential sky scrappers into death traps.)
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19 posted on 08/03/2014 10:10:50 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: citizen

I think he means the Upper Peninsula of Michigan.


20 posted on 08/03/2014 10:18:13 AM PDT by Little Pig
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To: citizen

Lake Superior surface temps just a little cooler than 2013, but 10 degrees C, 18 degrees F lower than 2012:
http://coastwatch.glerl.noaa.gov/statistic/avg-sst.php?lk=s&yr=0


21 posted on 08/03/2014 10:28:41 AM PDT by Bulwinkle (Alec, a.k.a. Daffy Duck)
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To: Bulwinkle

Well, I reckon lower lake temps than last year will get the winter ice season on the lakes off to a chilling start.


22 posted on 08/03/2014 11:10:23 AM PDT by citizen (There is always free government cheese in the mouse trap.....https://twitter.com/kracker0)
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To: citizen
Most of the lower peninsula of Michigan is covered in anywhere from 50 to 250 feet of glacial till, meaning all of the material scraped up from the bedrock by glaciers from the north, was deposited on the land as gravel, sand, and clay as the glaciers receded. Think of most of lower Michigan as one giant gravel pit. This geology is one reason why Michigan is known as the aggregate capital of the US. Along with being the limestone capital, Michigan is one of the largest concrete producers in the US. The joke is that most of that aggregate was scraped off of northern Ontario, and deposited on the lower peninsula of Michigan. Friends in Ontario get a chuckle out of that.
23 posted on 08/03/2014 11:11:23 AM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: citizen

The climate experts keep proving they inexpert at understanding the totality of the dynamics, and the variables within the dynamics, of weather or climate.


24 posted on 08/03/2014 11:48:33 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: citizen

climate “scientists” have managed to correctly estimate the magnitude of change but not the direction...


25 posted on 08/03/2014 12:17:28 PM PDT by Reverend Wright (liberal logic: Sarah Palin is not a real woman but "Chelsea" Manning is...)
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To: citizen
Most climate “experts” vs economic “experts” both are full of hot air, just like Al Gore. In it for whatever money they can fleece from deluded followers.

I agree, but most of the experts in those fields get their money from the government, so their conclusions end up being whatever the government wants. Al gore, who I think had a D average in his science courses isn't an expert in anything except lying and being a hypocrite.

26 posted on 08/03/2014 12:40:06 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: factoryrat

Ah, thanks for the explanation. Quite a story. I guess there’s more gravel exportation from MI than of wheat, say.


27 posted on 08/03/2014 12:46:26 PM PDT by citizen (There is always free government cheese in the mouse trap.....https://twitter.com/kracker0)
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To: citizen

I thought Obama exempted the Great Lakes from Climate Change ?


28 posted on 08/03/2014 1:17:12 PM PDT by stylin19a (Obama ----> Fredo smart)
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To: Bulwinkle

The Great Lakes will freeze over this winter. No sunspots and no warming of the water.


29 posted on 08/03/2014 3:11:51 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: GOPJ
THE GREAT LAKES WATER LEVELS ARE RISING, AND DRASTICALLY

Yet more proof of the calamity that is global warming. /liberal logic

30 posted on 08/03/2014 3:17:13 PM PDT by Nachoman (libertyarmstx.com is now open!)
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To: 1010RD
The Great Lakes will freeze over this winter.

That's pretty much the consensus of the global cooling/ice age web sites. From a layman's point of view, I happen to agree with them.

The documented correlation between low/no sunspot activity, changes in the earth/sun magnetic fields and more clouds/colder weather seems irrefutable.

31 posted on 08/04/2014 6:08:40 AM PDT by citizen (There is always free government cheese in the mouse trap.....https://twitter.com/kracker0)
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To: Nachoman
THE GREAT LAKES WATER LEVELS ARE RISING, AND DRASTICALLY

Yet more proof of the calamity that is global warming. /liberal logic

Quite right, the logic is flawed but that's how lib/green fanatics roll..

Also, before the Great Lakes water levels were rising, they was falling. These falling levels were also proof positive of.....you guessed it - global warming.

Another disaster caused by global warming? Toledo, OH is under siege by....
The attack of the killer algae in Lake Erie

32 posted on 08/04/2014 6:27:04 AM PDT by citizen (There is always free government cheese in the mouse trap.....https://twitter.com/kracker0)
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To: factoryrat
What they won't tell you is that the land around and under the great lakes is still "rebounding" from the weight of the glacial ice sheet that covered the region during the last ice age, roughly 12,000 years ago.

Quite true. The Great Lakes used to be part of glacial Lake Agassiz and most rivers north of Arkansas drained northward.

33 posted on 08/04/2014 6:34:52 AM PDT by palmer (This comment is not approved or cleared by FDA)
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To: citizen
Wait the lakes losing water is because of Global Warming? Yet they tell us the oceans rising are due to global warming?

Wow this global warming stuff can do anything...

I bet soon we will see stories of how flooding along the Great Lakes is due to Global Warming...

34 posted on 08/04/2014 6:38:39 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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Yep, they got it all covered with global warming & climate change. Anywhere it’s too hot, too cold, too wet, too dry, too windy and probably the absence any weather at all they will blame on carbon as well.


35 posted on 08/04/2014 8:14:15 AM PDT by citizen (There is always free government cheese in the mouse trap.....https://twitter.com/kracker0)
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To: palmer

Very interesting. I knew the Great Lakes were carved or otherwise formed by the great glacial activity but I had not heard of the rebounding theory.

Wasn’t there have supposed to have been a great filling (or refilling) of the Mediterranean Sea, the Black Sea and I suppose many other ancient basins?


36 posted on 08/04/2014 8:41:58 AM PDT by citizen (There is always free government cheese in the mouse trap.....https://twitter.com/kracker0)
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37 posted on 08/04/2014 8:42:28 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: citizen

There is a quite a bit of rebounding land including in northern Europe. Part of the compensation for the rebounding is sinking further south (e.g. here in the midatlantic and southward). I think in Europe the filling of the Black Sea was after sea levels rose a couple hundred feet with the ending of the ice age. Europe also had the Alps covered in ice so there were/are probably other local isostatic effects.


38 posted on 08/04/2014 10:31:49 AM PDT by palmer (This comment is not approved or cleared by FDA)
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