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Terror study group finds “sovereign citizens”, “militia/patriot groups” among greatest threat to US
Hotair ^ | 08/03/2014 | Jazz Shaw

Posted on 08/03/2014 10:06:06 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

The nation’s law enforcement agencies, from local cops all the way to the Department of Homeland Security, are always on the lookout for terrorist threats, and that includes at home as well as in far flung deserts and mountains. And they’re collecting data on all sorts of groups. What may come as a surprise is that, if you’re a regular reader of Hot Air or many other similar outlets, you might be one of the people they are watching! A new report this summer from a group of university analysts has identified the chief concerns of law enforcement agents at all levels, and some of them might surprise you. (A hat tip for locating this report goes to Crooks and Liars who apparently discovered it.)

First, law enforcement perceptions about what is a serious threat in their community has changed significantly over time. Law enforcement is much more concerned about sovereign citizens, Islamic extremists, and militia/patriot group members compared to the fringe groups of the far right, including Christian Identity believers, reconstructed traditionalists (i.e., Odinists), idiosyncratic sectarians (i.e., survivalists), and members of doomsday cults. In fact, sovereign citizens were the top concern of law enforcement, but the concern about whether most groups were a serious terrorist threat actually declined for most groups (e.g., the KKK; Christian Identity; Neo-Nazis; Racist Skinheads; Extremist Environmentalists; Extreme Animal Rights Extremists).

Wow. There’s a lot to wrap your head around just in that one paragraph from the Executive Summary portion of the report. It would seem that militia/patriot groups are up on the top shelf with Islamic extremists. Also interesting are the groups who are identified as “fringe” while not getting top billing. Who knew that Christian Identity believers made the cut?

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1 posted on 08/03/2014 10:06:07 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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2 posted on 08/03/2014 10:06:29 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: SeekAndFind
KEY part of this article:

As you prepare to figure out whether or not you’re on the terror watch list, it’s important to remember just what this report is and is not. While the name “Homeland Security” is all over it, the report does not come from DHS. It was prepared by a group of university professors and was submitted to Homeland Security for consideration.

3 posted on 08/03/2014 10:10:12 AM PDT by Qiviut ( One of the most delightful things about a garden is the anticipation it provides. (W.E. Johns)
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To: SeekAndFind

The worst of ‘em are those danged racists who believe the rule of law applies to our gods in Wash. DC!


4 posted on 08/03/2014 10:10:21 AM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" means something different to 0bama.)
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To: Qiviut

Thank you. I didn’t catch that.


5 posted on 08/03/2014 10:12:56 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: All
REALITY CHECK---THIS NEEDS TO GO VIRAL:
Obama rubber-stamper Leon Rodriguez, an attorney, oversees the legitimization of the border swarm. Moreover, Rodriguez administers EB-5 visas as head of UCIS (A DHS agency).....Eb-5's are said to involve major threats to US national security.

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BACKSTORY In an earlier statement----citing a Homeland Security Investigations memo----Sen Charles Grassley said the oversight federal agency ICE identified key vulnerabilities in EB-5 visas:

1) Export of sensitive technology/economic espionage.

2) Use by foreign government agents/espionage.

3) Use by terrorists.

4) Investment fraud by regional center.

5) Investment fraud by investors.

6) Fraud conspiracies by investors and regional center.

7) Illicit finance/money laundering.

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Rodriquez is the fourth consecutive Cuban-American to hold the UCIS job. The first two, under the George W. Bush administration, were Eduardo Aguirre and Emilio Gonzalez, both born in Cuba. Rodriguez was born to then-recent Cuban emigrants in Brooklyn...a fact unreported by the media.

After serving as an assistant district attorney in Brooklyn (a state, not a federal position), Rodriquez moved to the U.S. attorney's staff in Pittsburgh, winding up as the first assistant there. He also was in private practice, and from 2007 through 2010 he was the County Attorney for Montgomery County, Md., a Democratic stronghold. He held political positions in the Obama Justice and DHHS departments before his current nomination.

According to reporting by Kenric Ward, Washington correspondent for WatchDog.org, Rodriguez' nomination faced Republican opposition for this position, as it did three years earlier when Obama nominated him to be head of the Wage-Hour Administration in the Labor Department, only to withdraw the nomination later.

Rodriguez was a board member of Casa Maryland---a latino-centric advocacy group---pushing for unlimited immigration, and has connections to nationwide immigrant groups.

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ACTION--CONTACT FBI TIPS PAGE WEB SITE---https://tips.fbi.gov

<><> Taxpayers demand Rodriguez, UCIS, the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, La Raza, and other tax-funded latino groups, be investigated--- supboena official filings, phone records, emails, snail mail copies, hard drives, bank accounts, checking accounts, credit cards, debit cards, wire transfers, social media contacts, and the like.

<><> TAXPAYERS demand to know who they're communicating with, and who is directing their activities.

<><> Taxpayers demand to know which members of these tax-funded groups belong to violent latino organizations advocating the overthrow of the US govt.

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Vote-crazed Obama bas been reduced to being a Third World flunky.....setting up the USA big time.....doing the bidding of the barbarians in exchange for votes.

Obama's lips are pressed firmly on the Turd World behind. Money is changing hands sub rosa....foreign aid, extortion, kickbacks, money-laundering are in the mix.

Obama's actions speak louder than words----the wholesale collusion and conspiring w/ the Turd World to facilitate the overthrow of the US govt:

<><>sending them our tax dollars and resources to help violate our borders,
<><>chartering buses and planes to dump them on unsuspecting towns,
<><> secret WH meetings to get more new Democrat voters across the border,
<><> registering the multiple identities w/ the DNC,
<><> giving barbarians free rides on the US gravy train (in exchange for votes).

6 posted on 08/03/2014 10:14:44 AM PDT by Liz (Another Clinton administration? Are you nuts?)
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To: Qiviut

(Study prepared by) “a group of university analysts”
If they are Bill Ayers-type academics, I would be unhappy if I were not on the list.
Oui, I break wind in their general direction. They are wipers of animal food troughs and they may boil their bottoms, I care not.


7 posted on 08/03/2014 10:15:56 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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To: SeekAndFind

As an American, I find America-hating, commie lib, “terror study groups” the greatest terrorist threat to our country. But that’s just me.


8 posted on 08/03/2014 10:16:29 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (America is not a refugee camp! It is my home!!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

The sovereign citizens are fruit loops and should never be confused with militia/patriots. We have about as much in common with them as the Amish have in common with muslims.


9 posted on 08/03/2014 10:16:39 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: SeekAndFind

And I am more scared of the govt swat than criminals.


10 posted on 08/03/2014 10:17:21 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob (/s /s /s /s /s, my replies are "liberally" sprinkled with them!)
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To: Qiviut

Yep. More university professors who live in an alternate universe making decisions for society.
http://www.amazon.com/Intellectuals-Society-Thomas-Sowell/dp/B004H8GL40


11 posted on 08/03/2014 10:19:36 AM PDT by CommieCutter (The only thing the smart phone accomplished was bringing the dumb people to the internet.)
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To: SeekAndFind
“Militia/patriot groups” are the US.

They only thing they are a threat to are the enemies of the Republic.

12 posted on 08/03/2014 10:19:54 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Well yeh they are all a threat to the commie police state.


13 posted on 08/03/2014 10:20:23 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: SeekAndFind
"Terror study group finds “sovereign citizens”, “militia/patriot groups” among greatest threat to [EDIT]US... Political Elites[/EDIT]

The article needs editing to reveal the truth...

14 posted on 08/03/2014 10:21:05 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: Mad Dawgg

Odinists?....thats a group now?lol


15 posted on 08/03/2014 10:27:14 AM PDT by therapsida (tThats a group now?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Terror study group finds “university professors” the greatest threat to US

there fixed it


16 posted on 08/03/2014 10:30:43 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits n firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: CommieCutter

Intellectuals and Society -

“One of the most surprising aspects of this study is how often intellectuals have been proved not only wrong, but grossly and disastrously wrong in their prescriptions for the ills of society—and how little their views have changed in response to empirical evidence of the disasters entailed by those views.”

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Pretty much sums it all up & one of the primary reasons this country is now in such horrible shape.


17 posted on 08/03/2014 10:41:30 AM PDT by Qiviut ( One of the most delightful things about a garden is the anticipation it provides. (W.E. Johns)
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To: cripplecreek

What is a “sovereign citizen”?


18 posted on 08/03/2014 10:43:21 AM PDT by expat2
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ll consider myself a success when I truely characterize and represent the greatest threat to this government.


19 posted on 08/03/2014 10:45:11 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: SeekAndFind

I would not be surprised if a selection criteria used was the likelihood to be armed. Given that most of this current generation of academics regard anyone within 100 feet of a firearm as being the next step to criminal, the rest falls into place as “dangerous to the Nation!”

Of course that puts a whole lot of people into that bucket including me before that boat accident. Wonder what use the DHS will make of this study?


20 posted on 08/03/2014 10:45:14 AM PDT by SES1066 (Quality, Speed or Economical - Any 2 of 3 except in government - 1 at best but never #3!)
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To: expat2
"What is a “sovereign citizen”?" A sovereign citizen is a person who believes that the original intent of the Constitution is the law of the land not the Unconstitutional additions like the income tax, Obamacare (Ruled to be Constitutional by the SCOTUS) etc.
21 posted on 08/03/2014 10:50:51 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: trisham
Terror study group finds “sovereign citizens”, “militia/patriot groups” among greatest threat to US

But of course a government that doesn't protect the states from invasion, that spends it's populace into oblivion, and thumbs it's nose at the U. S. Constitution, and insults it's most reasoned patriots is not a threat at all.

22 posted on 08/03/2014 10:58:32 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Think how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of the populace is worse than that.)
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To: SeekAndFind

How long before they target “The Jews”?


23 posted on 08/03/2014 10:58:48 AM PDT by matthew fuller (This is MUSLIM TERRORIST AWARENESS MONTH.)
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To: SeekAndFind

lol, never-mind the Islamic terrorist that are actually carrying out attacks on a regular basis.


24 posted on 08/03/2014 11:08:34 AM PDT by Monorprise
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To: muir_redwoods

lol

The U.S. Government is ignoring actual terrorist in favor of the only people the Democrats regard as politically threatening. You see this is why I have a hard time getting all worked up about the Boston and New York attacks.

Theses are the people Boston and New York overwhelmingly voted and campaigned for. I’d be a lot more angry at the injustice if Islamic terrorist decided to attack some rural american community.

Yea its terrible and unjust either way, but seriously if your going to spend all your time and energy congesting up reasons to attack people who primarily just offend you ideologically. Then yes its harder to feel sorry for you when you get attacked by the real world.

Indeed sooner or later your going to so offend those ideological rivals that you might just end up with genuine threat on both sides.


25 posted on 08/03/2014 11:17:25 AM PDT by Monorprise
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To: therapsida

I actually saw a group of Amish on Friday in the parking lot of our Walmart.

I wonder if they are related to Odinists?

In any event, the hair didn’t stand up on the back of my neck and I walked fairly closely by them.


26 posted on 08/03/2014 11:18:54 AM PDT by x1stcav (Leftism is like rust. It corrodes twenty-four hous a day.)
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To: DoughtyOne

This administration appears to be composed of a group of malignant narcissists.


27 posted on 08/03/2014 11:21:09 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

Can’t argue with you.

If you were an enemy of the United States, could you come up with a better crew of wreckers? I doubt it.


28 posted on 08/03/2014 11:26:02 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Think how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of the populace is worse than that.)
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To: DoughtyOne

I don’t think so. Imho, this was also all premeditated.


29 posted on 08/03/2014 11:29:33 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

I agree. Soros, Ayers, Fahrakan, these guys and their fellow travelers must have been dumbfounded when this guy was actually voted in. Never in their wildest dreams...


30 posted on 08/03/2014 11:32:33 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Think how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of the populace is worse than that.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Never in their wildest dreams...

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Or ours, for the most part. What a cruel joke.

31 posted on 08/03/2014 11:36:27 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: TigersEye
The biggest threats to this country are our open border and the hordes of illegal aliens roaming across the land. Incredible that this segment of riff-raffs, perverts, and terrorists are seen as above the laws, even rewarded for breaking our laws. We taxpayers have to work hard to provide them with welfare and other perks.
32 posted on 08/03/2014 11:43:08 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: trisham

Agreed...

When you think of it, Hillary’s “It Takes a Villiage” lays down a premise that each member of our community is responsible for helping children to grow up to be good people.

Take a look at the Democrat Presidents, and what they championed for our children. JFK, Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, and now Barack Obama, have been chilling if you look at what they’ve actually done.

Kennedy played around on his wife and children. It was so well known that when little Billy Clinton when to the White House to meet him, he modeled his treatment of women after him.

Jimmy Carter, Mr. Bible School Teacher talked of lusting in his heart, in his “PLAYBOY” interview. Think young men didn’t hear about that?

Now we have a man who may be a recruiter for another team.

You just have to wonder how bad it would have to be, for the Left to simply think to themselves, “I’ve had enough! I can’t support this any longer.” Well, evidently this guy isn’t that bad. And if not, what would a guy have to do for the Left to wake up?

Take a look at Nixon, Ford, Bush I, Bush II, no matter what you thought of their politics, at least they cared for their wives, and this showed that they cared for their children as well.

Does anyone actually buy that the above democrats cared for their children? Heck, they didn’t even care for their wives.

Young men out there in our village, turn your head away. These men and their actions are not for you to emulate, no matter how much the MSM and people like Clinton tell you they are.

Your village can’t overcome what your dad has done to you.

Hillary? No thanks. We’ve had enough examples for the youts.


33 posted on 08/03/2014 12:01:41 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Think how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of the populace is worse than that.)
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To: SeekAndFind

They missed the breakdown of TO WHOM THE GROUPS ARE A DANGER. The Islamic terrorists are a danger to anyone who is not one of them, or is the wrong kind of them, or is unwilling to be ruled by them.

The Patriots (and related groups, excluding @holes like the Klan, Neo-Nazis and Racist Skinheads) are only a danger to an out-of-control regime.


34 posted on 08/03/2014 12:05:29 PM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: DoughtyOne
You just have to wonder how bad it would have to be, for the Left to simply think to themselves, “I’ve had enough! I can’t support this any longer.” Well, evidently this guy isn’t that bad. And if not, what would a guy have to do for the Left to wake up?

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I wish that I knew the answer to that question. I've just about given up on them. It seems that most of the criticisms of this president have been that he hasn't done enough damage to our country.

35 posted on 08/03/2014 12:23:20 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: SeekAndFind

In all fairness, those who find patriot organizations threatening should perhaps feel that way.


36 posted on 08/03/2014 12:23:29 PM PDT by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Anybody who is a “sovereign citizen” has to explain what he is a citizen of. Himself? that makes no sense.
Is he saying that he is not an American citizen? If so, then he should leave and go to North Korea.


37 posted on 08/03/2014 12:36:53 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: expat2

sovereign citizens are anarchists who pretend to be conservative and think they shouldn’t have to pay taxes.


38 posted on 08/03/2014 12:37:49 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes, those professors know where their bread is buttered.
Profiling is so wrong, unless it is white Christians that are being profiled.

Right wing Christians were responsible for the DC sniper attacks.
They brought down the WTC.
Blew up the Boston Marathon.
etc.


39 posted on 08/03/2014 1:00:25 PM PDT by Fear The People (When the government fears the people, you have LIBERTY.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Help me out here, didn’t Eric the Red Holder take over and occupy, with violence, a university campus building for a few days. Is that domestic terrorism?

Not only is the 0bama regime lawless, they are trying to incite insurrection.

5.56mm


40 posted on 08/03/2014 1:09:39 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: SeekAndFind

Nothing strikes terror in the hearts of Marxist, Islamic radical sympathizing, Control Freak, Communist/Socialist, anti Bill of Rights, anti Constitution, God hating & big government worshipping, control freaks, more than God Fearing, USA loving, Constitution abiding, Freedom loving, well armed, well educated citizens who intend with all our being for this nation too remain free from the goal of those who wish to overthrow our government for their radical dictatorship utopia. If that sounds like terrorist or terrorism then someone needs to find them a more suitable nation to live in. This ones taken it was bought by the blood of those who believed in freedom.


41 posted on 08/03/2014 1:50:32 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: SeekAndFind

“First, law enforcement perceptions about what is a serious threat in their community has changed significantly over time. Law enforcement is much more concerned about sovereign citizens, Islamic extremists, and militia/patriot group members compared to the fringe groups of the far right, including Christian Identity believers, reconstructed traditionalists (i.e., Odinists), idiosyncratic sectarians (i.e., survivalists), and members of doomsday cults. In fact, sovereign citizens were the top concern of law enforcement, but the concern about whether most groups were a serious terrorist threat actually declined for most groups (e.g., the KKK; Christian Identity; Neo-Nazis; Racist Skinheads; Extremist Environmentalists; Extreme Animal Rights Extremists). “

Hmm. The not mentioned common street gangs have killed more people than all of these combined.


42 posted on 08/03/2014 1:56:30 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (It's a shame nobama truly doesn't care about any of this. Our country, our future, he doesn't care)
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To: SeekAndFind

lol

These days all the “studies” are bogus it seems


43 posted on 08/03/2014 2:13:52 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: DoughtyOne
When you think of it, Hillary’s “It Takes a Villiage” lays down a premise that each member of our community is responsible for helping children to grow up to be good people

and then you see what leftists consider "good people"

44 posted on 08/03/2014 2:17:36 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: I want the USA back; expat2
Is he saying that he is not an American citizen? If so, then he should leave and go to North Korea.

No, they are American Citizens, they're just not citizens of the United States. They're what the Founders knew as State Citizens, and they are under the jurisdiction of their respective, Sovereign State, not the feral federal government.

Thus the term Sovereign Citizen.

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Here are quotes from a few relatively recent court cases.

“There is a difference between privileges and immunities belonging to the citizens of the United States as such, and those belonging to the citizens of each state as such”.
Ruhstrat v. People, 57 N.E. 41 (1900)

“The rights and privileges, and immunities which the fourteenth constitutional amendment and Rev. St. section 1979 [U.S. Comp. St. 1901, p. 1262], for its enforcement, were designated to protect, are such as belonging to citizens of the United States as such, and not as citizens of a state”.
Wadleigh v. Newhall 136 F. 941 (1905)

“There are, then, under our republican form of government, two classes of citizens, one of the United States and one of the state”.
Gardina v. Board of Registrars of Jefferson County, 160 Ala. 155; 48 So. 788 (1909)

“That there is a citizenship of the United States and citizenship of a state,...”
Tashiro v. Jordan, 201 Cal. 236 (1927)

Quoting Cruikshank
“The governments of the United States and of each state of the several states are distinct from one another. The rights of a citizen under one may be quite different from those which he has under the other”.
Colgate v. Harvey , 296 U.S. 404; 56 S.Ct. 252 (1935)

“ …as distinct from the fundamental or natural rights inherent in state citizenship”.
Madden v. Kentucky , 309 U.S. 83: 84 L.Ed. 590 (1940)

45 posted on 08/03/2014 2:52:16 PM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as created by the Laws of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: Qiviut

“As you prepare to figure out whether or not you’re on the terror watch list, it’s important to remember just what this report is and is not. While the name “Homeland Security” is all over it, the report does not come from DHS. It was prepared by a group of university professors and was submitted to Homeland Security for consideration. “

Trust me, they want to reach this conclusion. Obama and crowd are itching to make opposition illegal, or the next best thing to illegal.

Historically, the threat of any of these groups is low to nonexistent. But they are treating such people like they are Hamas against Israel.

Why? They know they are intent on taking this country in a direction destined to make such people a true enemy to their RULERS. Libs know that threat is coming, from their own extra-constitutional actions.


46 posted on 08/03/2014 3:07:39 PM PDT by LevinFan
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To: JimRed

It’s about time somebody said that.

+1000!


47 posted on 08/03/2014 3:38:29 PM PDT by PrairieLady2
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To: trisham

Yes, so true...


48 posted on 08/03/2014 6:06:26 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Think how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of the populace is worse than that.)
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To: GeronL

Isn’t that the truth...


49 posted on 08/03/2014 6:12:38 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Think how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of the populace is worse than that.)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

“The not mentioned common street gangs have killed more people than all of these combined.”

The gun grabbers that are leading the charge and part of this same cabal, strangely never mention the urban street gangs either. Yet they are in reality a real threat to many. Could it be because politicians prefer to call out and attack anglo whites and Christians as racists rather than calling out others as the real threats?


50 posted on 08/03/2014 7:31:14 PM PDT by apoliticalone
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